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Torquemadras posted:With all the more or less obvious retconning going on in JoJo, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a villain with actual retconning powers at some point. Made in Heaven? It literally rewrites the universe.
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:So what is the next crucial plot element that will be forgotten in part 8. Josuke having sex with the blind girl.
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Nov 1, 2014 23:44
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Torquemadras posted:With all the more or less obvious retconning going on in JoJo, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a villain with actual retconning powers at some point. I have absolutely no idea how that would work, but the concept itself is JoJo as poo poo. There was a retcon power in Bleach. It was hilariously dumb and broken.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Made in Heaven? It literally rewrites the universe. Nah... Made in Heaven explicitly repeats the same things, so that everybody instinctively remembers the last cycle. The true rewriting only happens when Pucci is killed, and that's not really retconning. Maybe really a King Crimson-like Stand that keeps the result, but changes the reason? As in, it focusses on a certain kind of result - like a broken window or something -, and when the user wants to, the chain of events that caused it suddenly and violently changes: instead of a rock, now someone's hand broke the window, and the guy suddenly realizes his hand is cut up. Instead of King Crimson's visions of the immediate future, it would be a constant view on every possible past, and picking the one that suits the user most. ...well, gently caress. Now I'm making up Stands too because there aren't any chapters left for me to read. So this is what that's like. I did not want to know
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Basically every final fight in JoJo's since Stardust Crusaders has had dudes who gently caress with time in one way or another. I think the only reason the alternate version of The World showed up in Steel Ball Run was to keep the tradition alive.
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Nov 2, 2014 02:09
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I think it's kinda funny that Gyro's so badass he threw away his Stand and still was able to steal the show from Johnny.
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Nov 2, 2014 02:20
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I actually forgot that Gyro had a Stand until I looked at the wiki page recently.
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Nov 2, 2014 02:25
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amuayse posted:I think it's kinda funny that Gyro's so badass he threw away his Stand and still was able to steal the show from Johnny. Johnny did upstage John Wilkes Booth by a mile, though
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Basically every final fight in JoJo's since Stardust Crusaders has had dudes who gently caress with time in one way or another. I think the only reason the alternate version of The World showed up in Steel Ball Run was to keep the tradition alive. Nah, Steel Ball Run had the dude that turned back time as well.
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RatHat posted:Nah, Steel Ball Run had the dude that turned back time as well. Yeah, but that was like midway through.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Basically every final fight in JoJo's since Stardust Crusaders has had dudes who gently caress with time in one way or another. I think the only reason the alternate version of The World showed up in Steel Ball Run was to keep the tradition alive. You're forgetting d4c
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I know this is treading on old territory here but I really, really hope SC part 2 uses Voodoo Kindgom for something. Like an insert song or a special ED. Gotta have a taste of tha remedy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uua_GIQsbqg
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Nov 2, 2014 03:26
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Voodoo Kingdom was used in the awful Phantom Blood movie, I think. Hell, I'm pretty sure it might have been Dio's theme.
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I'm still hoping for Sono Chi no Sadame in the final fight.
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Butt Ghost posted:Voodoo Kingdom was used in the awful Phantom Blood movie, I think. Hell, I'm pretty sure it might have been Dio's theme. Yep. Which is why I hope they bring it back because it deserves to be rescued from the heap of shame. The single was released after the movie, so judging based on that and the lyrics I'm pretty sure it was written for the sole purpose of being Dio's theme. Waffleman_ posted:I'm still hoping for Sono Chi no Sadame in the final fight. But yeah this is probably what's going to happen.
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I also hope Stone Ocean somehow gets What A Wonderful World for the last episode.
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gently caress trophy 2k14 posted:You're forgetting d4c D4C goes between dimensions, it doesn't affect time. Not that a ton of main villains didn't use quantum mechanics bullshit, too.
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Waffleman_ posted:I'm still hoping for Sono Chi no Sadame in the final fight. While Sono Chi no Sadame would be a rad song to use, I honestly think Stand Proud would make that final fight all the more metal... or maybe they should go all out and use the only instrumental that HE, DIO can get behind.
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You could tell Funny Valentine was lying because no matter what dimension you might try to escape to, the universe always has three constants: Time, Gravity, and dead Zeppelis. 
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I was thinking about Part 5, and why the final battle is kinda dumb. A lot of people bring up that the battle was the race to the arrow, which is true, but that's why it's underwhelming, in my opinion. Most Jojo fights involve the protagonist of the fight finding a loophole in an opponent's seemingly invincible Stand and exploiting it in a genius way. In Part 5, no one really finds a way to get through King Crimson's power, they just learn how to determine when its power occurs through seeing blood instantly drip. What ends up defeating Diavolo is Giorno reaching the mcguffin and negating King Crimson's power. To be fair, I have no earthly idea what loophole you can find in King Crimson, but giving Gold Experience the power to just negate King Crimson is still a bit unsatisfying.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:D4C goes between dimensions, it doesn't affect time. Not that a ton of main villains didn't use quantum mechanics bullshit, too. It takes him to alternate timelines. I mean, it's a stretch, but you can still say it plays into the theme of time manipulation.
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Butt Ghost posted:I was thinking about Part 5, and why the final battle is kinda dumb. A lot of people bring up that the battle was the race to the arrow, which is true, but that's why it's underwhelming, in my opinion. Most Jojo fights involve the protagonist of the fight finding a loophole in an opponent's seemingly invincible Stand and exploiting it in a genius way. In Part 5, no one really finds a way to get through King Crimson's power, they just learn how to determine when its power occurs through seeing blood instantly drip. What ends up defeating Diavolo is Giorno reaching the mcguffin and negating King Crimson's power. To be fair, I have no earthly idea what loophole you can find in King Crimson, but giving Gold Experience the power to just negate King Crimson is still a bit unsatisfying. Giorno isn't really a JoJo, and Dio was excellent at total asspulls.
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Are there any stands in the series other than GER that could straight up beat King Crimson? There are several stands that could win a fight instantly if they could somehow get past Epitaph and just get in a hit (Heaven's Door, Cheap Trick, Killer Queen, Planet Waves), a few with strong enough defensive capabilities to survive King Crimson's attacks (Green Green Grass of Home, 20th Century Boy, Chocolate Disco), and several gambler stands that could possibly weaken Diavolo enough for someone else to finish him. Maybe a hugely destructive stand like Green Day or Purple Haze could hit King Crimson in such a wide area that he couldn't evade the attack even when he could see it coming with Epitaph and tried to erase it. And then there's the eternal question of whether or not King Crimson could see into The World/SP's frozen time.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:D4C goes between dimensions, it doesn't affect time. Not that a ton of main villains didn't use quantum mechanics bullshit, too. it goes between alternate timelines
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Soulcleaver posted:Are there any stands in the series other than GER that could straight up beat King Crimson? There are several stands that could win a fight instantly if they could somehow get past Epitaph and just get in a hit (Heaven's Door, Cheap Trick, Killer Queen, Planet Waves), a few with strong enough defensive capabilities to survive King Crimson's attacks (Green Green Grass of Home, 20th Century Boy, Chocolate Disco), and several gambler stands that could possibly weaken Diavolo enough for someone else to finish him. Maybe a hugely destructive stand like Green Day or Purple Haze could hit King Crimson in such a wide area that he couldn't evade the attack even when he could see it coming with Epitaph and tried to erase it. And then there's the eternal question of whether or not King Crimson could see into The World/SP's frozen time. A stand that had a large enough area of attack, such that even with forewarning and 10 seconds of time skip it would land, could easily beat KC. Weather Report, Purple Haze, and The World (assuming Diavolo/KC is frozen. The real gently caress matchup I'd want to see is King Crimson vs D4C Love Train. Both are such utterly bullshit defense stands, Joseph-level trickery would be the only way to victory.
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amuayse posted:I think it's kinda funny that Gyro's so badass he threw away his Stand and still was able to steal the show from Johnny. Well, he gets another one right before he dies, called Ball Breaker. I think that makes him the only person outside of part 6 (for obvious reasons) to have 2 completely different Stands.
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Soulcleaver posted:And then there's the eternal question of whether or not King Crimson could see into The World/SP's frozen time. Only Jotaro can enter DIO's World.
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Begemot posted:Well, he gets another one right before he dies, called Ball Breaker. I think that makes him the only person outside of part 6 (for obvious reasons) to have 2 completely different Stands. Dio had two completely different Stands at once (Hermit Purple and The World), as did Rohan, briefly (Heaven's Door and Cheap Trick).
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Silver2195 posted:Dio had two completely different Stands at once (Hermit Purple and The World), as did Rohan, briefly (Heaven's Door and Cheap Trick). DIO had two stands because he had two bodies at once basically, and Cheap Trick is kind of like a Stand virus, I dunno if it counts.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:DIO had two stands because he had two bodies at once basically, and Cheap Trick is kind of like a Stand virus, I dunno if it counts. Or just one stand that let him imitate the stand of any Joestar. My baseless theory is cooler than yours.
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I'm reading through Part 7, Wekapipo also uses Steel Balls. Just dropping by to let you know that this will Be The poo poo.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Or just one stand that let him imitate the stand of any Joestar. My baseless theory is cooler than yours. Sure. Point is, DIO is cool as gently caress. VV It was actually JoJo A-Go!Go! Arsonist Daria fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Or just one stand that let him imitate the stand of any Joestar. My baseless theory is cooler than yours. It's not baseless. The Jojo A-Go!Go! databook says it's the stand of Jonathan, and the Over Heaven novel says that it's also called Hermit Purple. EDIT: The Jorge Joestar novel also called it The Passion, and said its power was to see the past and future of the user's blood relatives. The novel isn't canon though. RatHat fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Only Jotaro can enter DIO's World. Pucci could see and act while time was stopped, sort of, maybe? He definitely had some weird thing going on that let him dodge the harpoon Jotaro threw at him.
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Sleepy Owl posted:Pucci could see and act while time was stopped, sort of, maybe? He definitely had some weird thing going on that let him dodge the harpoon Jotaro threw at him. Made in Heaven was supposed to be what DIO planned to turn The World into, right? And it was made partially by being fused with DIO's bone. Maybe it had some of the passive benefits of The World, like moving through stopped time.
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Butt Ghost posted:In Part 5, no one really finds a way to get through King Crimson's power, they just learn how to determine when its power occurs through seeing blood instantly drip. What ends up defeating Diavolo is Giorno reaching the mcguffin and negating King Crimson's power. what about the part where trish + mista manage to hold off diavolo for a bit? I don't really see what's so lame about giorno getting anti king crimson power that isn't equally as lame as johnny getting infinite dimension killlaser power, or jotaro learning how to freeze time almost as good as dio in a fraction of the time, or koichi getting literally the only power that can stop sheer heart attack and having his stand evolve into something completely different from the last one, or joseph having infinite bullshit power in order to have the chain reaction of events that leads to him beating cars. At least with GER it's at the very end of the fight instead of at the start of halfway through that they get the "if I hit you with this I win" powerup every major villain has either lost to some major nonsense, or they murdered all the protagonists
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Sleepy Owl posted:Pucci could see and act while time was stopped, sort of, maybe? He definitely had some weird thing going on that let him dodge the harpoon Jotaro threw at him. I think the thing was Pucci was Jotaro's time stop did not last long enough. The only reason Pucci did not slaughter them all was because Jotaro's time stop could screw him as he would not be able to move. Jotaro's problem was that his time stop does not last very long and it takes a few seconds before he can do it again if he stopped time at a moment that Pucci was too far away for him to beat down. Pucci beat them by forcing Jotaro to choose between saving Jolyne and killing him.
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darealkooky posted:what about the part where trish + mista manage to hold off diavolo for a bit? Hey, Koichi and Johnny got bullshit new powers as culmination of their character arcs which made it more dramatically appropriate and awesome when they deus ex machina'd a victory. So for those two at least the situation was entirely different to the climax of part 5. 
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Beating Diavolo was going to be easy except Polnareff can't stop loving up
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