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The amazing thing is that I'm no kind of "scientist" at all, but in these threads (I was here for Strangecoin and I've read the Attention Economy thread, if you can call looking at the screen in bewilderment alternating with hysterics "reading") I just have to wait for a while until something will be claimed by Eripsa that I know is wrong. I mean, I am 100% confident that the claim that English prose cannot describe a complex network is wrong. Again, I am not in any way trained in serious science. I'm an ordinary dumb old programmer. Lots of other stuff goes by that looks wrong, of course, but a lot of it goes over my head. For somebody apparently obsessed with the promise of on-line communication applications, there's astonishingly little discussion of the proposed on-line communication application. I'm starting to wonder whether the Synereo gang was behind this Stackoverflow question I helped close a couple weeks ago. 
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I'm currently re-reading Bleak House, and it occurs to me that there's something similar about the experience of being sucked into a deranged Eripsa debate and the fatal allure in the book of the Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce litigation. Oh, and note that I could, if I wanted to, render in several different visual formats an accurate graph of the relationships between characters in that quite complicated novel. I didn't need a picture of the directed graph arcs between Mrs. Rouncewell and Lady Dedlock before starting the book. I read the prose and it all became clear.
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Nov 3, 2014 02:06
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emfive posted:I'm currently re-reading Bleak House, and it occurs to me that there's something similar about the experience of being sucked into a deranged Eripsa debate and the fatal allure in the book of the Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce litigation. Oh, and note that I could, if I wanted to, render in several different visual formats an accurate graph of the relationships between characters in that quite complicated novel. I didn't need a picture of the directed graph arcs between Mrs. Rouncewell and Lady Dedlock before starting the book. I read the prose and it all became clear. You couldn't have actually understood it without drawing a diagram. On the other hand, I can believe that it's impossible to really understand War and Peace without a pull-out network diagram of relations between characters accompanied by English text describing each node and link, dare I add.
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Nov 3, 2014 02:30
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eXXon posted:On the other hand, I can believe that it's impossible to really understand War and Peace without a pull-out network diagram of relations between characters accompanied by English text describing each node and link, dare I add. Well (I'm sure you know this) there's a difference between saying that something is hard to understand, and that something is impossible to understand, from a particular expression in a medium, or from any conceivable expression in a medium.
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Nov 3, 2014 02:58
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emfive posted:Well (I'm sure you know this) there's a difference between saying that something is hard to understand, and that something is impossible to understand, from a particular expression in a medium, or from any conceivable expression in a medium. Eripsa shows every sign of adhering to "I, personally, can't understand [THING] without reference to [CURRENT TECHNOFETISH], therefore [THING] cannot be understood outside of the clearly correct medium of [CURRENT TECHNOFETISH]."
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Nov 3, 2014 05:14
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Eripsa posted:Its the difference between reading a map and reading a list of turn-by-turn directions. You can follow the turn-by-turn to get to your destination, but if you make a mistake the directions give you no evidence about how to get back on track, because none of the relevant environmental structure is retained in the directions except the list of turns. If you have a map, the structure of the image provides a lot of content about your environment that allows you to find your way even after you get lost.
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Nov 3, 2014 08:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:FYI this is completely untrue. Dead reckoning navigation is the process of following a prescribed series of speeds and course changes in order to arrive at your final destination. In some ways, it actually works better than navigating by a chart, because it's impossible to get lost by missing or mistaking a navigation reference. Someone who becomes lost can only get back on track if they can fix their new position. It doesn't matter how much information is on your map, if does not have a reference that you can use to fix, (for example, because you're off the edge of the map) then you're poo poo out of luck. On the other hand, a person following turn-by-turn directions can extrapolate their new position based on time, speed and last known position. It's also possible to include written information about environmental structure and references with a list of directions. For example: "If you cross the Spree, you've gone too far west. If you hit the double railroad tracks, you've gone too far east. If you get lost, look for the giant television tower. It's in the middle of the city, right near Alexanderplatz." It's almost like Eripsa doesn't know poo poo about navigation. Or anything else.
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Nov 3, 2014 08:34
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emfive posted:For somebody apparently obsessed with the promise of on-line communication applications, there's astonishingly little discussion of the proposed on-line communication application. I'm starting to wonder whether the Synereo gang was behind this Stackoverflow question I helped close a couple weeks ago. Wouldn't surprise me, since ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:It's almost like Eripsa doesn't know poo poo about navigation. Or anything else.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I was reading the op when in the first paragraph it talks of how Facebook is such a very large community. That's BS. I'm not in a community with those millions of people, I'm in a community with the 15 Facebook friends I stay in contact with. All those people using the same service doesn't make them a society evolving some kind of community. Welp now to dive in and see what else the op has to say.
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Nov 3, 2014 21:09
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:All those people using the same service doesn't make them a society evolving some kind of community. That's because they don't have AMPs duhh
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Nov 3, 2014 21:26
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:It's almost like Eripsa doesn't know poo poo about navigation. Or anything else. Here's the really funny part: a GPS course can be calculated entirely from a series of data sentences, the equations for a geoid, and coordinates. The whole thing can be calculated from first principles without reference to a chart, and it's one of the most accurate means of navigation in existence.
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Nov 4, 2014 03:13
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Dead Reckoning posted:Here's the really funny part: a GPS course can be calculated entirely from a series of data sentences, the equations for a geoid, and coordinates. The whole thing can be calculated from first principles without reference to a chart, and it's one of the most accurate means of navigation in existence. Yeah, this is really funny. This despite the fact that my actual knowledge of navigation begins and ends with what I can remember from high school trig.
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Any updates on Synereo's laughable spec? Speaking of which, Eripsa, if what you really want to argue about is network theory / philosophy of science, is there a reason you choose to debate those things in these threads instead of just creating a NT/PoS thread (or threads) so that discussion here can focus on your totally-extant specs for this definitely-happening-any-time-now social network?
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Nov 4, 2014 05:07
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Muscle Tracer posted:Any updates on Synereo's laughable spec? Well I pulled some choice amusement from their twitter: quote:Ideas without execution are hallucinations. Synereo welcomes its CTO - Yuval @yuvadm Adam quote:Security panel at @InsideBitcoins TLV - theorizing on the things that could kill #Bitcoin I'm curious if 'time' was the number one answer. It was my number one answer, followed shortly by "The awkward mass realization at how useless and pointless it is" quote:The Great Attention Heist, or: How Our Mind Was Hacked  - Browser based games are bad. Also social networks are to speak to the human condition, despite the fact that most people don't care about them like that at all.quote:The Synereo project has been in the works for quite some time and we are proud to finally make our efforts public. Synereo represents a new collection of ideas and paradigms, and a very realistic set of changes that we would like to see in our world. Synereo is awesome, check out this UI stuff that we've mocked up. Please try to ignore the fact that we continue to use Riot's intellectual property in our mockups. quote:We got a lot of positive feedback after unveiling Synereo. However we'd very much like to hear what you think we def' got wrong. #feedback I've read the Reddit thread. The top comment on it is "Sounds to me like they want us to buy their currency and if we buy enough of it then they can afford to make us a place to use it. :/" They may have gotten a lot of positive feedback. They got way more negative feedback.
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Facebook games are a multimillion dollar industry preying on credulous rubes that would be too smart to blow a paycheck in a regulated casino but love pulling the lever while at home for no payout.
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Eripsa, I have been reading through all your old threads and I have some serious comments for you. First, I think that you are moving in the right direction, because you are working on a more well-defined, immediate project. You have a history of hyping projects and then not finishing them. Some projects you have talked about include: A five part story about the attention economy (finished two parts) the Google glass project Swarm! Strangecoin crypto-currency: - a model of Strangecoin interactions on Netlogo - a model of Strangecoin developed by posters for you in Python an academic paper using posts in this thread and Synereo, the distributed social networking platform Correct me if I'm wrong but you haven't finished any of these projects. I don't think you even got a demo going of any of them except the short story. The great Architectonic science unification is great and all, but I think you should just pick one, smaller project and follow through on it. You seem to expect other people to do the actual technical work for you and it appears that is also the case with Synereo. I think you should work on a project that is within your own technical abilities so that it is not so dependent on other people. However, Synereo does seem like a project that could theoretically be completed, so keep us updated on how it is going.
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Eripsa posted:I am fully aware that digital communities work different from afk communities, that they have different organizing needs and characteristic behaviors. Nevertheless, I think digital communities deserve the same protection as afk communities: the right to assemble and speak openly, the right to organize and conduct themselves according to their own understanding of the good life. Not only do digital communities not have these rights today, but our digital infrastructure is being developed in a way that systematically compromises the ability to realize any of these rights. FB isn't bound by a constitutions, they are bound by TOS agreements that no one reads or has any say in. Digital communities don't really work differently, though (maybe you would realize this if you had any IRL friends). In particular, Facebook is not a community - it's a place that a community can be organized at. Think of it as the digital equivalent of the bar, pizza place, or whatever that all your friends and/or other members of your community hang out at and tend to have meetups at. Just as the privately owned hangout your community holds meetings at has the right to give you guys the boot, so does Facebook. It is not, itself, a community, and in fact real digital communities are not bound to any specific platform unless they choose to define themselves by membership of that platform. More importantly, the distinction you make between "real-life" communities and "digital communities" is a false one. It's completely wrong. A community is a community, and while the internet tends to lend itself to different modes of interaction, there is no real inherent distinction between the two - they're just different platforms for a community to interact on. "In-person" and "digital" are just two possible ways for a community to communicate. As usual, you unilaterally assert that something (like "digital communities are fundamentally different from other types of communities, and are being treated unequally") is true with no proof or backing, and then construct a long, complex theory on top of those assertions, and then when people challenge your theory you wave them off by pointing at how they naturally follow from your initial assertions. Except you can't actually support those initial assertions when they're challenged, or even really process that people are attacking them, because you never really had any proof in the first place - you just wanted to believe those things because they fit your preferred narrative, and you refuse to seriously consider that they could be false, so if anyone calls you on them you just declare that they ARE true because X and then ignore any attempt to challenge or engage X.
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Wabbit posted:Eripsa, I have been reading through all your old threads and I have some serious comments for you. First, I think that you are moving in the right direction, because you are working on a more well-defined, immediate project. You have a history of hyping projects and then not finishing them. Some projects you have talked about include: Don't encourage him, please. Synereo is no less vapourware at this point than his Google glass ant game. Right now it seems to consist entirely of marketing fluff and a handful of screenshots (likely photoshopped since the software doesn't exist). The only major difference is that they actually have some developers on board and aren't begging for cash quite as pathetically. Also he completely abandoned this thread just like all of the other ones.
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eXXon posted:Don't encourage him, please. Synereo is no less vapourware at this point than his Google glass ant game. Right now it seems to consist entirely of marketing fluff and a handful of screenshots (likely photoshopped since the software doesn't exist). The only major difference is that they actually have some developers on board and aren't begging for cash quite as pathetically. It's what he does, possibly as he's gone into the downward swing of whatever debilitating psychosis is responsible for all this nonsense in the first place.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's what he does, possibly as he's gone into the downward swing of whatever debilitating psychosis is responsible for all this nonsense in the first place. Yeah he might need professional help.
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quote:Synereo is no less vapourware at this point than his Google glass ant game. So they've updated the blog with more waffle http://blog.synereo.com/ quote:In this series of posts, we will discuss three core features we believe are crucial for the next generation of social networking: Decentralization, Compensation, and Reputation. quote:At Synereo, we see the success of Diaspora as an affirmation of the importance of decentralization. Synereo is attempting to improve on this model by using blockchain technology that ensures a level of security and privacy fit for the next generation of social networking coupled with ease of use that matches the standard web experience. Translation "We've no loving clue how to build a distributed application but we're going to throw lots of buzzwords around in the hope you don't notice and buy our pre-mined cyptocoin"
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jre posted:So they've updated the blog with more waffle I am not going to let this point die Erispa, both because I legitimately do not want another goddamn Child Porn distribution hub on the internet (no matter how unlikely it is that Synereo will ever exist), and because pointing out that Synereo will be a Child Porn distribution hub remains an easily understandable problem with Synereo that can't be avoided or dismissed. Also because I find it darkly hilarious that it takes an issue as horrible and as serious as Child Porn to get a solid, non-vacillating answer out of you. You really do take vacillating to an artform. E: Since you've apparently disappeared, I'm look forward to the next thread you'll post in the next 4-6 months. Alternatively, please get help and post about how much better things are going for you. 
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Nov 17, 2014 01:49
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jre posted:So they've updated the blog with more waffle Inferior College London Business School to the rescue - 3000 quid prize money, 500 quid expenses, and course credit for ~blockchain innovation~ 
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fade5 posted:an Ah, so the syneries are nothing but an IDF honeypot? Suddenly I'm starting to think there might be some chance of success in this endeavour.
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Nov 17, 2014 17:25
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Did this thread die because we didn't pay enough attention to it?
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Nov 19, 2014 13:33
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Eripsa is a reincarnation of Ayn Rand isn't he?
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Orange Devil posted:Eripsa is a reincarnation of Ayn Rand isn't he? No, Ayn Rand finished projects.
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CheesyDog posted:No, Ayn Rand finished projects. And for all his entertaining insanity, Eripsa lacks the bitter, simmering hatred Rand constantly spewed.
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CheesyDog posted:No, Ayn Rand finished projects. I almost slipped into a coma when I started thinking about which of the two is a better writer.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:56
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emfive posted:I almost slipped into a coma when I started thinking about which of the two is a better writer. Ayn Rand had awful ideas, but she was pretty killer about getting them across clearly if nothing else.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Ayn Rand had awful ideas, but she was pretty killer about getting them across clearly if nothing else. Is anything of hers other than The Fountainhead good? I liked the latter other than the legitimate rape.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Is anything of hers other than The Fountainhead good? I liked the latter other than the legitimate rape. Anthem is ok, mainly because it's short and early enough in her writing that editors wouldnt let her get away with extensive rants. It kinda gives you a snapshot of what would have happened if Ayn Rand had been stuck writing pulp sci-fi for the rest of her life instead of sprawling bullshit novels.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Anthem is ok, mainly because it's short and early enough in her writing that editors wouldnt let her get away with extensive rants. The 50th Anniversary edition also includes an appendix that contains Ayn Rand's editorial comments on the original British publication of the book. Nothing mindblowing but it's amusing to go over some of the changes she made to it  .
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Come back Eripsa, I need your marbles.
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So that big wall of text in the OP, my brain cut out half way through so I might have missed it, but does it consider that perhaps the reason social networks don't achieve anything is because 90% of the users don't put any effort into them? Because humans are generally lazy and don't really give a poo poo about stuff unless it directly helps them out? Rather than it being due to corporate control of the media or something I kinda got lost towards the end.
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No, he got asked like twice a page questions like "what if people really just want to share cat pics" and he never had an answer.
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spoon0042 posted:No, he got asked like twice a page questions like "what if people really just want to share cat pics" and he never had an answer. To be fair, you have to accuse him of personally enjoying child pornography to get him to answer some pretty simple questions, so...
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Synereo's twitter has been dormant as balls since a week before Halloween. What happened Eripsa?
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Huh yeah actually reading down he even outright says:Eripsa posted:I try to avoid any digital dualism in the article. It's not that physical networks are "real" and digital networks are "fake". Online interaction is real human interaction, in the same way that a junk car is still a real car. It's just all hosed up and doesn't work like a social network is supposed to work. Which is wrong because online interaction for the most part is entirely fake because nobody has any investment in it, it doesn't cost anything, and it doesn't require anything but maybe a little bit of emotional investment. It's precisely because of that lack of effort required that it's appealing, everyone can do it and maybe you'll get a thousand likes which sounds more impressive than it is because clicking the like button also requires no effort. Even the most basic picket requires you to at least take the day off work. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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