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Sperglord Actual posted:USAAC Touché.
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Red Crown posted:Or maybe that it's a grand conspiracy and that the West is meddling in Ukraine so that we can put pressure on Russia The Kremlin would have the people believe it's all our fault because we engineered the overthrow of the legitimate government and replaced the Moscow favorite with fascists and Bandera-ists and don't you see they had to think of the
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Nov 16, 2014 05:25
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My favorite part of that "satellite" image is that if you scale it, the Boeing 777-300ER is just a skosh longer than the runway of the airport in that view...but for the hell of it, let's call it even. The B777-300ER is 242 feet long. The primary runway at Donetsk International Airport is 13,123' Using 240' and 13,000' for simplicity, and assuming that MH17 was cruising at a standard altitude of 33,000 feet, to achieve visual proportions like that, the "satellite's" camera would have had to be positioned roughly 600 feet above MH17. (which gives it an impressive field of view, if nothing else!) Quite aside from any image analysis of whether the livery says "Boeing" or seeing if its composite images from a video game, the geometry of the image makes it literally impossible for this to be satellite footage. There's no room for interpretation there whatsoever. It's 100% impossible, with no room for argument. And yet people will still believe it.
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Nov 16, 2014 10:39
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CarterUSM posted:And yet people will still believe it. Putin will have his friend and "American military expert" Steven Seagal analyze the satellite image and definitively confirm that it was the Ukrainian Air Force that did 9/11 too.
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Nov 16, 2014 12:27
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 Man, this whole Western conspiracy to overthrow the legitimate government of Ukraine makes me mad enough to launch a naval exercise. Image purports to be a Sovremmenny-I destroyer launching a P-270 Moskit, AKA SS-N-22 Sunburn, during an exercise off Kamchatka this year. I don't know about the time/place, but that sure looks like the right missile.
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Nov 16, 2014 13:49
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Wow thats gotta suck for anyone on the deck.
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Nov 16, 2014 16:21
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A good opinion piece on the eternal dumpster fire that is Canadian Procurement. Tories’ love for the military is all hat, no cattle Highlight: quote:For reasons that defy logic and the Conservatives’ own repeated promises, the F-35 Lightning II sole-source program is still twitching, requiring only a jolt of electricity from cabinet’s operations committee to set it staggering once again onto the political stage. The latest is a leaked Pentagon slide, entitled Canadian Aircraft Options Current Status, indicating a plan for Canada to buy four of the planes imminently. “Congressional notification letter being staffed through the F-35 Joint Program Office,” reads the Oct. 27 slide, citing timing of mid-November.
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Nov 16, 2014 16:36
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Agean90 posted:Wow thats gotta suck for anyone on the deck. Upper decks are usually out of bounds during missile shoots.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:12
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Ruse posted:Upper decks are usually out of bounds during missile shoots. http://m.break.com/video/idiot-nearly-launched-by-missile-646547
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Nov 16, 2014 17:25
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CarterUSM posted:My favorite part of that "satellite" image is that if you scale it, the Boeing 777-300ER is just a skosh longer than the runway of the airport in that view...but for the hell of it, let's call it even. The B777-300ER is 242 feet long. The primary runway at Donetsk International Airport is 13,123' That was an extremely clever bit of math, and reverse-engineering the problem in order to check your answer was a very satisfying experience. It is, as you say, a convincing proof; it may not convince everyone, for any number of reasons, but it may perhaps convince some.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:27
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The video is too grainy to tell, but my heart tells me that the name on the stern is "COWPENS" 
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Nov 16, 2014 17:41
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Ruse posted:Upper decks are usually out of bounds during missile shoots. If dashcam videos have taught me anything, it's that Russians are not known for either giving a poo poo or valuing human lives.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:47
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Don Gato posted:If dashcam videos have taught me anything, it's that armored vehicles spook from the bushes in Russia and dash across the road about as frequently as white-tail in the USA
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Nov 16, 2014 18:26
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Nebakenezzer posted:A good opinion piece on the eternal dumpster fire that is Canadian Procurement. Am I reading the wiki page right, and Canadian Air Force only has 77 older CF-18 fighters in active duty? That seems like a very small number if you consider that Canada's territory is huge and Finland for example has ~60 F-18s. Most of the small Scandinavian countries have around 50-60 modern fighters.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:51
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OhYeah posted:Am I reading the wiki page right, and Canadian Air Force only has 77 older CF-18 fighters in active duty? That seems like a very small number if you consider that Canada's territory is huge and Finland for example has ~60 F-18s. Most of the small Scandinavian countries have around 50-60 modern fighters. Yes, add to that there are only 2 bases for the CF-18s too, one in northern Alberta and the other in Quebec. It's a lot of border to potentially cover from those two spots.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:55
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priznat posted:Yes, add to that there are only 2 bases for the CF-18s too, one in northern Alberta and the other in Quebec. It's a lot of border to potentially cover from those two spots. What's the deal then? I mean it's not like Canada is a very poor, developing country. Might just as well have USAF bases in Canada and call it a day.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:01
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It's almost like America is the only actual functional military in the world or something.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:10
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OhYeah posted:What's the deal then? I mean it's not like Canada is a very poor, developing country. Might just as well have USAF bases in Canada and call it a day. That's a huuuuuuge topic but a lot of it is due to being right next to the US and getting a bit of a free ride as far as defense is concerned. Public thinking on the military in Canada oscillates wildly between "why do we need one?" To "peacekeeping tradition!" To "ARE TROOPS" (where we are now after the events of the past week). When the military isn't being ignored completely, that is. Previous govts have let the rust out continue without much hullabaloo but the current govt is especially infuriating because they talk tough on defense while gutting support for veterans and making some really terrible procurement decisions (F-35 circus, allowing the cyclone fiasco to continue, big issues with the ship building contracts). This is all from my observation from an interested outsider, I definitely don't have any special knowledge on it. But I can't even recall the last govt that hasn't hosed over the military in Canada. Probably before my time.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:17
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RavenKrows posted:It's almost like America is the only actual functional military in the world or something.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:12
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priznat posted:This is all from my observation from an interested outsider, I definitely don't have any special knowledge on it. But I can't even recall the last govt that hasn't hosed over the military in Canada. Probably before my time. I know that Canada had Leopard 1s as Trudeau made some sort of trade deal with Germany and the Leopards were a side benefit.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:54
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evil_bunnY posted:Plenty of western militaries are functional. They just function on a exponentially smaller scale. A scale so small that only if they're combined can they function for a matter of days. Singly, no, as a general rule.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:55
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Nebakenezzer posted:I know that Canada had Leopard 1s as Trudeau made some sort of trade deal with Germany and the Leopards were a side benefit. Probably was ordering a new Porsche pimpmobile and the tanks were throw ins.
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Nov 16, 2014 22:00
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OhYeah posted:Am I reading the wiki page right, and Canadian Air Force only has 77 older CF-18 fighters in active duty? That seems like a very small number if you consider that Canada's territory is huge and Finland for example has ~60 F-18s. Most of the small Scandinavian countries have around 50-60 modern fighters. The Swedish air force operated almost 300 Viggens well into the 90's, but well, "neutral" and all that, so not exactly comparable. These days we're supposed to have 100 Gripen C/D on paper but I'm pretty sure not all of those are actually in service. For the next generation we're supposed to get 70 Gripen E; originally it was 60 but they added 10 more recently because of the old Russian arch-nemesis starting to rattle sabres like it's 1699. A lot of old school people (and quite a few new school ones as well) are very upset about both that and the lack of dispersed basing and are talking a lot about The Good Old Days. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 00:03
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TheFluff posted:The Swedish air force operated almost 300 Viggens well into the 90's, but well, "neutral" and all that, so not exactly comparable. These days we're supposed to have 100 Gripen C/D on paper but I'm pretty sure not all of those are actually in service. For the next generation we're supposed to get 70 Gripen E; originally it was 60 but they added 10 more recently because of the old Russian arch-nemesis starting to rattle sabres like it's 1699. A lot of old school people (and quite a few new school ones as well) are very upset about both that and the lack of dispersed basing and are talking a lot about The Good Old Days. And Sweden has less square kilometers than Saskatchewan.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:06
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Russian propaganda is pretty bad. I bet that no American President would be able to pull anything similar, like convincing his own public opinion that a foreign country owns weapons of mass destruction to invade it.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:50
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Well, for all his ineptitude and dishonesty, Bush never pretended the bombs falling on Baghdad were anyone's but the USA's.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:54
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Red Crown posted:The video is too grainy to tell, but my heart tells me that the name on the stern is "COWPENS" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cowpens_(CG-63) EDIT: Oh god everything after the first paragraph in the "Command History" section 
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Nov 17, 2014 02:19
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Every single part of the story with the captain shutting himself in his cabin is amazing (and hilarious).  e: so the captain locks himself in his cabin for months on end, meanwhile loving the chief engineer who is running the ship for him. Nobody decides this is sufficiently out of the ordinary to mention to anyone. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 02:35
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Mortabis posted:Every single part of the story with the captain shutting himself in his cabin is amazing (and hilarious). I don't know if you've ever spent time on a ship at sea, but after a while your relationship with the outside world and shore based authority gets a bit detached.
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Nov 17, 2014 03:06
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FrozenVent posted:I don't know if you've ever spent time on a ship at sea, but after a while your relationship with the outside world and shore based authority gets a bit detached. Other than one week on a cruise ship more than 10 years ago, nope.
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Nov 17, 2014 03:07
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http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/11/captain-navy-cross-for-finishing-deployment/ Relevant 
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Nov 17, 2014 03:33
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Cippalippus posted:Russian propaganda is pretty bad. I bet that no American President would be able to pull anything similar, like convincing his own public opinion that a foreign country owns weapons of mass destruction to invade it. Yeah, those are pretty comparable..... Like sometimes I laugh when Americans think that a particular operation is about some vague concept like "freedom" but if you showed an American that piece of poo poo image of the Flanker Russian state media has been passing around, they'd pretty quickly realize how loving bullshit it is. Cippalippus posted:Nazism wasn't fundamentally evil, it still had a (wicked) ethos behind it. What really made nazism worrying is that it took power in Germany and not in the usual third world shithole, meaning that they had the ideology and the means to pursue it. Keep on keepin' on, buddy! You managed to defend nazism and insult less powerful nations all in one go, there.
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Nov 17, 2014 03:43
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priznat posted:http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/11/captain-navy-cross-for-finishing-deployment/ I can't wait for someone to pick this up, run with it, and not notice that the original author's name is "Maxx Butthurt."
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Nov 17, 2014 04:05
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Kilonum posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cowpens_(CG-63) I...what Was this some sort of failed reality TV show e: the XO that was removed from command was the fourth Cowpens senior officer to be removed in 2014 Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 04:11
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Nah, a drama airing on TBS.
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Nov 17, 2014 04:14
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I can't wait for someone to pick this up, run with it, and not notice that the original author's name is "Maxx Butthurt." I would have figured most folks who post here would know it's the military news version of The Onion but perhaps that's a big ask.
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Nov 17, 2014 04:16
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Alaan posted:Nah, a drama airing on TBS. It'll be like a cross between The Last Ship and F Troop.
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Nov 17, 2014 04:22
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I'd imagine at this point getting assigned to the Cowpens as an officer is the surest sign it's time to look for civilian work.
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Nov 17, 2014 04:38
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Alaan posted:I'd imagine at this point getting assigned to the Cowpens as an officer is the surest sign it's time to look for civilian work. As a JO you wouldn't have a lot of choice. It is interesting to see the new line officers of this generation being so prone to public fuckups, though. ...not that it always hasn't been 'a thing,' it's just easier to get the word out about it now, whereas before it was just handled internally.
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evil_bunnY posted:Plenty of western militaries are functional. They just function on a exponentially smaller scale. So not capable of any form of extended campaign including logistically, financially and manpower? I'd give you France but they ran out of munitions bombing Libya.
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