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The night that indirectly lead to Russ wearing polka dots, a good night
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 18:19 |
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My favorite moment that seems to be forgotten can actually be seen in the replay videos for a few seconds is when Jamaal Tinsley comes back out of the tunnel wielding a broom pan like a sword.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 18:42 |
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Wow, that Jermaine O'Neal quote about punching the fan makes him sound like a big piece of poo poo. Though I wouldn't expect someone who called the NBA age requirement "unconstitutional" to say something intelligent.Igor Strelkov posted:Rasheed Wallace was the most vocal critic of Donaghy before the evidence came out. So who knows. Yeah, Rasheed actually got suspended for 7 games for threatening Donaghy after a home game in Portland in 2003. BigBoss posted:I get why they were raw. A death, especially of a family member who is not elderly can do that to a person. People react in different ways, and that was probably the wrong time to foul Ben hard. Maybe I'm crazy, but that foul didn't even look particularly hard. Artest made sure he didn't get an easy two and had to go to the line, which is pretty much textbook defense on Ben Wallace. If Wallace was in such a fragile state of mind that he couldn't handle a regular part of the game, he probably shouldn't have been playing. More shocking is that Pistons appeared to run an offensive play for Ben Wallace in the post. Also, why the hell are any of the starters even in the game at that point? il serpente cosmico fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Lockback posted:That's fair I guess, but I always saw Artest's actions as one of those "I'm going to act like I'm de-escalating/removing but really I'm going to keep goading" types of things. I didn't see the game live but it did look chippy as hell, and as has been repeated 15 times the Refs could have done 1000 things to simmer it down but didn't. Actually your interpretation is probably more correct than mine. I guess I gave him too much credit (I did buy an Artest jersey that year!) Rick posted:I didn't have a TV at the time, so this is one of those things that I know happened, I see tape of it happening, but it doesn't feel real to me because I saw it so far after the fact. I feel the same way about Amare's 2005 WCF stats when I was out of the country.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:31 |
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il serpente cosmico posted:Maybe I'm crazy, but that foul didn't even look particularly hard. In isolation, it isn't that bad, particularly for that time in the NBA. But it was the culmination of a lot of rough play and hard fouls over the course of the game. Consider, too, that it came with 45 seconds left in a game that was already decided - it was Artest taking a whack at Wallace just because he could. That play wasn't going to have any impact whatsoever on the outcome of the game, short of triggering a brawl. quote:Also, why the hell are any of the starters even in the game at that point? Yeah, this. The thing people forget is the game was already decided when the fight started.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:33 |
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il serpente cosmico posted:Also, why the hell are any of the starters even in the game at that point? Apparently the Pacers were short handed that night, but that doesn't explain why the Pistons still had Ben Wallace in the game. But that was probably the point in time Larry Brown was checked out mentally so he didn't give a gently caress until the crowd got involved and then he could play the indignant card
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:34 |
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OneTruePecos posted:In isolation, it isn't that bad, particularly for that time in the NBA. But it was the culmination of a lot of rough play and hard fouls over the course of the game. Consider, too, that it came with 45 seconds left in a game that was already decided - it was Artest taking a whack at Wallace just because he could. That play wasn't going to have any impact whatsoever on the outcome of the game, short of triggering a brawl. Artest took a whack (the oral history highlighted how Artest could get one) because the Pistons took a whack before that because probably the Pacers took a whack before that. The refs let that poo poo get out of hand
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:35 |
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WhyteRyce posted:Artest took a whack (the oral history highlighted how Artest could get one) because the Pistons took a whack before that because probably the Pacers took a whack before that. The refs let that poo poo get out of hand Oh yeah, no doubt. The officiating was complete garbage; Donaghy being part of the crew just makes the whole thing perfect. The teams were going back and forth at each other all night and the refs really didn't even seem to try to control it.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:38 |
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Crazy Ted posted:When Jermaine O'Neal went to throw that punch, I was certain I was going to watch a guy die on the spot on live TV. I still don't know how he basically missed. There was water on the floor so luckily he slipped right as he was about to make contact. Also I still love you Ron Ron. Also also Rasheed was right about the dirty loving refs all along. The NBA is my abusive spouse.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:40 |
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In the aftermath of the brawl, I remember at least one or two columnists using it to contrast how the NHL "did fighting right", so to speak, compared to the NBA or NFL. Their logic being that if you let two guys go at it once in a while, it prevents the huge blow-up brawls from happening. It was some amazing mental gymnastics.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:41 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Man, the early 2000s were a special time Also, note that two of the four videos I posted have already been taken down.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:44 |
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DJExile posted:In the aftermath of the brawl, I remember at least one or two columnists using it to contrast how the NHL "did fighting right", so to speak, compared to the NBA or NFL. Their logic being that if you let two guys go at it once in a while, it prevents the huge blow-up brawls from happening. Especially considering the NHL has had fights erupt into the stands, as well. But those don't garner nearly as much media attention. Gee, I wonder why?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:48 |
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il serpente cosmico posted:Especially considering the NHL has had fights erupt into the stands, as well. But those don't garner nearly as much media attention. Gee, I wonder why?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:48 |
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il serpente cosmico posted:Especially considering the NHL has had fights erupt into the stands, as well. But those don't garner nearly as much media attention. Gee, I wonder why? Must have something to do with the color of the floor
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:50 |
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DJExile posted:In the aftermath of the brawl, I remember at least one or two columnists using it to contrast how the NHL "did fighting right", so to speak, compared to the NBA or NFL. Their logic being that if you let two guys go at it once in a while, it prevents the huge blow-up brawls from happening. Yes, the NHL has "boys will be boys letting off some steam" - thankfully it doesn't have any thugs with their rap music. Last year O'Neal seemed pretty thoughtful and well spoken on GSW. It's weird, I always think of him as almost killing that dude. He did try to kill Blake last year though, so the elder statesman thing must take a lot of energy to keep up.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 22:18 |
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I wasn't in the US when it happened and I don't remember the news in France ever mentioning it. I probably found out about it randomly a couple years later.Intruder posted:The night that indirectly lead to Russ wearing polka dots, a good night And this:
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 22:43 |
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I remember being in my dorm room and just standing up staring slack jawed at the tv. I think I sent messages to 50 people on AIM telling them to immediately turn on EPSN and watch this. The rest of the season as a Pacer fan was like the few weeks after a car crash. You are hypersensitive about every other thing that happens are are sure it's going to happen again. Besides the obvious "loving thug Detroit fans," Pacers fans mostly bitched that Reggie Miller got a single game suspension.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 23:49 |
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Athanatos posted:Pacers fans mostly bitched that Reggie Miller got a single game suspension. I'm still unsure of why he was suspended. From my understanding it was for leaving the bench, but didn't like, everyone leave the bench?
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 01:52 |
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I watched that entire game live when it happened, was a freshman in college. I remember very vividly how it all went down and yeah it was a chippy game. But even at the time, and you hear the announcer say it, I thought Ben Wallace freaked the gently caress out for no reason. Regardless, it was none of the players' faults for the events that unfolded. It was entirely the terrible trashy Detroit fans. Like, when have you ever seen a cup of beer thrown in a player's face? That's why Ron ran into the stands. Then the reaction by the rest of the fans was psychotic -- who runs onto the floor like that? I'm with Jermaine O'Neal, they were just protecting themselves. Thousands of ravenous fans out for your blood, they had no other choice. The NBA suspended them for image reasons and that's it, it was the fans of Detroit who were the problem here.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:12 |
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Bill Laimbeer treating it as just another event from 1989 was the best part of the game.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:24 |
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Bill Laimbeer treating it as just another event from 1989 was the best part of the game. Yeah
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:28 |
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I was sitting at the bar of my 99.3% white town with this on tv when it happened. Hoooo boy, the amount of times I heard the words friend of the family, monkeys and thugs was unbelievable. And half of the 50 people in the place were probably wearing some kind of clothing for the Syracuse Orangemen. I was restocking the bar at my restaurant the next day in the private room with the TV and I made sure I was up there from x:00 to x:15 for about 4 straight hours so I could watch it over and over on sports center.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 06:52 |
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This Stephen Jackson interview with Lebatard is worth a listen: http://ec.libsyn.com/p/3/d/b/3db160...53&c_id=7893679 Also, after that segment from Weds show, Bomani Jones and Dan talked to one of Sports Center guys who randomly called in (I forget who it was off the top of my head) about how the narrative changed over night. It was really interesting, because they were openly talking on ESPN Radio about how ESPN executives flat out told the anchors to change the narrative. When it first happened, everyone was blaming the fans for inciting the fights. Literally overnight the narrative changed to the players being the violent instigators. Check out their podcast on https://www.theticketmiami.com from this Weds, because its a fascinating and rare peak into the behind the scenes machinations of changing a media narrative.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 07:31 |
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I remember going over to my friends' apparement for a party in college and the news kept showing clips of it. Everyone was glued to the TV in disbelief. Something weird to think about--when this happened, youtube hadn't been created yet. If you didn't see it on the news, there wasn't a great way to watch it after the fact. I'm guessing some gross site like ebaum's world had clips of it, though? Brogeoisie posted:I watched that entire game live when it happened, was a freshman in college. I remember very vividly how it all went down and yeah it was a chippy game. But even at the time, and you hear the announcer say it, I thought Ben Wallace freaked the gently caress out for no reason. Regardless, it was none of the players' faults for the events that unfolded. It was entirely the terrible trashy Detroit fans. Like, when have you ever seen a cup of beer thrown in a player's face? That's why Ron ran into the stands. Then the reaction by the rest of the fans was psychotic -- who runs onto the floor like that? I'm with Jermaine O'Neal, they were just protecting themselves. Thousands of ravenous fans out for your blood, they had no other choice. The NBA suspended them for image reasons and that's it, it was the fans of Detroit who were the problem here. I don't see anyone can portray this Jermaine punch as just "protecting himself": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw66OikTy9U
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 08:37 |
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Does anyone know if the local Pistons and Pacers version of the broadcast exists? I seem to recall the Pistons version and it had someone using a telestrator to point out the fans who caused all of this if memory serves correct. What's bizarre is I don't recall hearing Fred McLeod call the Pistons version despite the fact he was the TV voice of the Pistons at the time if Wikipedia is to be believed. e: To answer my own question, here's the Indiana version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAs4-Fa0CA
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 08:47 |
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Did the Pistons not have security guards on hand? It's kind of amazing how you don't see any security guards come in and try to defuse the situation.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 09:02 |
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Niwrad posted:Did the Pistons not have security guards on hand? It's kind of amazing how you don't see any security guards come in and try to defuse the situation. I think I remember hearing there were like 3 or 4 in the whole arena. I remember watching it while in college with my roommate and we just kept looking at each other like "Holy poo poo, is this actually happening? Can it get worse?" and, yes, it was happening, and yes, it did get worse. It was kind of amazing. That interview with Jackson is great and he used to talk about it a bit when he was on GSW. And the GSW radio/broadcast team still talks about it, especially the "Hey, do you think we're gonna get in trouble?" bit.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 09:14 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:Does anyone know if the local Pistons and Pacers version of the broadcast exists? The Pistons announcer was George Blaha at the time. But it was a national TV game and I was watching ESPN so I couldn't tell you.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 13:55 |
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I still can't believe that Ron Artest actually changed his name to "Metta World Peace". And that he might be changing it again to "The Pandas Friend" if that wasn't a parody article. Also this whole event was somewhere between hilarious and horrifying, and I'm both sad and glad that I didn't see it live.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 14:19 |
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Didn't Ron Artest appear naked, out of the mist, in the Lakers' showers, and give counsel to Kobe Bryant after he lost the 2007/8 NBA Finals?
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Didn't Ron Artest appear naked, out of the mist, in the Lakers' showers, and give counsel to Kobe Bryant after he lost the 2007/8 NBA Finals? There is no story that I would not believe about Ron Artest, after the table-leg revelation.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 15:14 |
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Didn't Ron Artest appear naked, out of the mist, in the Lakers' showers, and give counsel to Kobe Bryant after he lost the 2007/8 NBA Finals? Please stop posting my sexual fantasies.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 15:17 |
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mdemone posted:There is no story that I would not believe about Ron Artest, after the table-leg revelation. the progression of realization in the NBA threads at the time was hilarious. "Oh Ron just saying crazy poo poo again because he is amped up" "Lmao that dude is loving nuts" "Wait so he really did see some crazy rear end fights but not a death by table leg" "HOLY poo poo HE WASNT loving WITH US, A DUDE REALLY GOT KILLED WITH A loving TABLE LEG "
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 15:51 |
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Didn't Ron Artest appear naked, out of the mist, in the Lakers' showers, and give counsel to Kobe Bryant after he lost the 2007/8 NBA Finals? Yeah, and it's pretty much a perfect Ron Artest story: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702518-an-oral-history-of-metta-world-peaces-days-with-the-los-angeles-lakers an alternative to clicking on bleacher report: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Ron-Artest-and-Kobe-Bryant-In-The-Shower.html
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 17:11 |
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Y'know, there's a show that debuted a while ago called Mike Tyson Mysteries. It's a cartoon where Mike Tyson goes around with a talking bird solving mysteries. Naturally, some people objected at the idea of selling Mike's image to kids and young people given some of his actions in the past. Artest would be perfect for it, because he has enough self-awareness to go along with it, and it could be funny.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 18:35 |
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Terry Glenn posted:Yeah, and it's pretty much a perfect Ron Artest story: I can't picture anything but the scene in game of thrones were oberyn approaches tyrion, except naked and more insane
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 18:53 |
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Dang this is where I wish I had archives to check out the GDT and N/V from then.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 19:15 |
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Artest was just a cheap Vernon Maxwell imitator anyway Crazy ol' Vern was punching fans and flashing guns at motorists way back in 95. Intruder fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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il serpente cosmico posted:Something weird to think about--when this happened, youtube hadn't been created yet. If you didn't see it on the news, there wasn't a great way to watch it after the fact. I'm guessing some gross site like ebaum's world had clips of it, though? If it was something substantial it'd get put up on all those other video channels (there were a lot before Youtube) and even before the video channels popular things would get put up on torrent sites/P2P networks/IRC file servers/newsgroups.
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Drunk Canuck posted:Dang this is where I wish I had archives to check out the GDT and N/V from then. There was in fact a 27-page thread dedicated just to the fight right after it happened. I'll try to skim through and find some highlights, and find the GDT. But a cursory glance shows that it's nice that the sense of humor hasn't really changed around here! Fishing with Fredo posted:Poor shot selection by Artest in the stands. I expect him to to connect on those short range attempts.
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