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w00tuberjedi posted:Just got a job programming. No degree, no experience, current CS student. It's all about who you know unfortunately. If you're referring to nepotism or like platitudes instead of meaningful statements, then yes. Otherwise interviewing and networking are skills like anything else. Of course, with no degree and no experience, it's hard to do any networking beyond user's groups.
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w00tuberjedi posted:Just got a job programming. No degree, no experience, current CS student. It's all about who you know unfortunately. I know a couple of people that got a job programming straight out of high school that didn't really "know" anybody in a way that was relevant to the job. And several more that got internships the same way when in college. And some more in their first job out of college. So no, it's not about who you know.
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# ? Nov 24, 2014 07:48 |
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I went through an informal screening process for a place, and now they want professional references. I haven't had an actual job since I was in high school, and my supervisor for that is long, long gone from the school. Moreover, I don't have any professor friends. What on earth should I give them
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americong posted:I went through an informal screening process for a place, and now they want professional references. are they just asking for references, or are they asking for references before they continue the process? if its the former, just ignore it.
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# ? Nov 24, 2014 16:58 |
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americong posted:I went through an informal screening process for a place, and now they want professional references. Do you have anyone you've done project work with? Anyone that works on open source stuff with you? Any clients you've freelanced for?
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sarehu posted:I know a couple of people that got a job programming straight out of high school that didn't really "know" anybody in a way that was relevant to the job. And several more that got internships the same way when in college. And some more in their first job out of college. So no, it's not about who you know. "Who you know" is how you bypass a lot of tier-1 automatic screening and HR bullshit to get your name to people who actually know something. It's not all about who you know, it just helps.
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Also, you can help yourself get a job via networking (or if you dare, nepotism), but if you're unfit for the job it won't likely help you keep it except in the dumbest of circumstances.
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No Safe Word posted:Also, you can help yourself get a job via networking (or if you dare, nepotism), but if you're unfit for the job it won't likely help you keep it except in the dumbest of circumstances. I've seen terrible people end up working at places for years because everyone knew they were bad but it was easier to just try to help them improve a bit and hope it figures itself out. It doesn't, but nobody wants to be the one to start the six-month process of warnings, etc. required to get rid of them.
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Che Delilas posted:"Who you know" is how you bypass a lot of tier-1 automatic screening and HR bullshit to get your name to people who actually know something. It's not all about who you know, it just helps. Yeah, knowing people is helpful. My point is that going all "Woe is me, it's all about who you know" is just wrong and bullshit and a bad way to deflect responsibility from oneself.
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# ? Nov 24, 2014 18:59 |
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sarehu posted:Yeah, knowing people is helpful. My point is that going all "Woe is me, it's all about who you know" is just wrong and bullshit and a bad way to deflect responsibility from oneself. I was agreeing with you.
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# ? Nov 24, 2014 19:08 |
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Che Delilas posted:I was agreeing with you. I agree that you were agreeing with me and I was agreeing with you.
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# ? Nov 24, 2014 19:23 |
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Is this the appropriate place to post a resume? I need some brutally honest feedback.
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# ? Nov 25, 2014 01:15 |
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sarehu posted:I agree that you were agreeing with me and I was agreeing with you. I disagree. sailboat posted:Is this the appropriate place to post a resume? I need some brutally honest feedback.
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I got a response from a company that I find very appealing for a Junior C# / C++ Programmer position. I did a phone interview that I felt I nailed, and got a call back saying they wanted to proceed in about an hour. They then gave me a technical assignment (a 48 hour programming thing to check my object-oriented design and unit testing skills); they called me back to say they wanted to proceed that same afternoon. The interview is on Friday, and I'm very excited. Does anyone have any advice on what I should be doing to prepare? I have a copy of the book Cracking the Coding Interview and have been doing problems from it on pen and paper, and I'm also going to bone up on the C# and C++ aspects that I felt I was weakest on in the phone interview. If anyone has any other advice, or knows of any sources other than Cracking the Coding Interview for technical or algorithm questions that I could have someone surprise me with in a mock interview, I'd appreciate it. I've never had a programming job before so this is all a new experience for me, and I want to know if I'm missing anything glaring.
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Makeout Patrol posted:Does anyone have any advice on what I should be doing to prepare? I have a copy of the book Cracking the Coding Interview and have been doing problems from it on pen and paper, and I'm also going to bone up on the C# and C++ aspects that I felt I was weakest on in the phone interview. If anyone has any other advice, or knows of any sources other than Cracking the Coding Interview for technical or algorithm questions that I could have someone surprise me with in a mock interview, I'd appreciate it. There's also Elements of Programming Interviews. Can't vouch for it myself since I haven't gotten to it yet, but you can download "light" version from their website.
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# ? Nov 26, 2014 00:20 |
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A series of onsite interviews that went from 1PM to after 6PM, with four one-on-one technical interviews with engineers is definitely not an easy day off. I think I did fine, although they definitely did not pull punches or tailor it to my background - asking a person with no CS degree how to find the shortest path between two nodes on a graph is pretty tough. Although I did luck out with that one since someone mentioned a similar problem on Glassdoor, so I went in basically knowing Dijkstra's algorithm. I'd definitely rather be somewhere where everyone has made it through a tough interview process instead of having essentially no technical element to the screening process (e.g. my current company). Hopefully it works out - I didn't do consistently terrible or consistently awesome throughout, but there was a good mix between problems that I solved quickly and ones that I needed more time and help on. Got in some good whiteboarding practice and got to see a really cool downtown office, so overall not a bad time.
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sailboat posted:Is this the appropriate place to post a resume? I need some brutally honest feedback. Yes, but if you want to post proprietary code in a way that identifies who you are and thereby tank your career, that goes in the Coding Horrors thread, apparently.
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# ? Nov 26, 2014 15:18 |
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I accepted an internship offer from Google yesterday! I'm surprised but also super excited. Is it rude to keep interviewing with other companies now? I'd like the interviewing experience, seeing as I've only ever had one interview. On the other hand I feel like it'd be rude for a company to interview me for a job they'd already filled? Either way I'm still looking for spring positions, so I'll get more opportunities regardless.sailboat posted:Is this the appropriate place to post a resume? I need some brutally honest feedback. Just anonymize it before you post. Or don't, if you like getting mysterious packages in the mail.
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Steely Glint posted:Is it rude to keep interviewing with other companies now? It's immoral.
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sarehu posted:It's immoral. The companies do it the other way around. There's no morality between faceless corporations and you.
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Um, yes there is. Just because you find it convenient to ignore that doesn't make it untrue.
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Is there any chance in the whole entire world that you would accept another offer if it was amazing? If so, interview away!
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# ? Nov 26, 2014 23:09 |
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Have at it. https://pdf.yt/d/TuJIXBLtRQvv5Imf
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# ? Nov 27, 2014 00:09 |
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Steely Glint posted:I accepted an internship offer from Google yesterday! I'm surprised but also super excited. Is it rude to keep interviewing with other companies now? I'd like the interviewing experience, seeing as I've only ever had one interview. On the other hand I feel like it'd be rude for a company to interview me for a job they'd already filled? Either way I'm still looking for spring positions, so I'll get more opportunities regardless. It can be a lovely thing to do if they spend a lot of effort in interviewing you just for you to turn them down. But as long as you don't tell them, they'll never know. You can always say "thank you for the offer but I've decided to decline because _________" and fill in any bullshit reason you can think of that sounds even remotely reasonable. or you can just never respond to them once they send you the offer letter. That is actually really lovely, though. Don't do that.
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# ? Nov 27, 2014 00:55 |
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Just got an email from Amazon.com consumer division. Anyone have advice/cautionary tales? Email said they'd be hiring for Seattle and SF and obviously they cover relocation.
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The March Hare posted:Just got an email from Amazon.com consumer division. Anyone have advice/cautionary tales? Email said they'd be hiring for Seattle and SF and obviously they cover relocation. were they more specific than that? there is afaik i know no division defined as "consumer", and i think if there were it would encompass way too many parts to be able to help you out .
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sarehu posted:Um, yes there is. Just because you find it convenient to ignore that doesn't make it untrue. You are free to break an acceptance as per the terms of the contract set forth. There's no morals here, a company has the right to break the contract as well.
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sarehu posted:It's immoral. lol
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FamDav posted:were they more specific than that? there is afaik i know no division defined as "consumer", and i think if there were it would encompass way too many parts to be able to help you out . Not yet, but I can post as I get more info I guess. Recruiter just made it sound like it she did recruiting for jobs working on the bits that touch Amazon.com rather than aws or anything else they do. E; looks like it's for jobs from this page, of which there are many. http://www.amazon.jobs/team/consumer-website The March Hare fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Malcolm XML posted:You are free to break an acceptance as per the terms of the contract set forth. But if you have zero intention of accepting an offer and just want some free interview practice, then it's lovely to waste the time of the people interviewing you. It's fine to flip off the corporate machine, but you should have empathy for other humans.
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Mniot posted:But if you have zero intention of accepting an offer and just want some free interview practice, then it's lovely to waste the time of the people interviewing you. It's fine to flip off the corporate machine, but you should have empathy for other humans. It's not a waste of time, practice for them too. And hell, maybe they'll beat Google's offer
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Mniot posted:But if you have zero intention of accepting an offer and just want some free interview practice, then it's lovely to waste the time of the people interviewing you. It's fine to flip off the corporate machine, but you should have empathy for other humans. They are paid to do it. They have a dozen other candidates to sift through.
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The March Hare posted:Not yet, but I can post as I get more info I guess. Recruiter just made it sound like it she did recruiting for jobs working on the bits that touch Amazon.com rather than aws or anything else they do. yeah, as much as I'd love to give you some more insight, amazon.com is thousands of devs doing stuff from building things for individual products (like smile.amazon.com or instant video) to platforms (search pages) to backend services (aggregators for product data or box fitting) to business analytics (this might not fall under consumer though?) to other stuff i'm forgetting.
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# ? Nov 27, 2014 04:38 |
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So I'm looking at possibly doing the UWG online CS master's next year (obviously it's not a for sure thing, but this is my tentative plan). I have gone through CodeAcademy on Python and JS but was planning on enrolling in a local community college to knock out some CS basics or maybe some higher-level math. Is this a good plan? I'm trying to do stuff here in a timely manner as I'm 28 and don't want to be 34 by the time I get a decent job. If it is a good/decent plan, what would you guys recommend I take? I was a humanities/foreign language major for my bachelor's so I don't have a hard science background. I looked around and couldn't find a better thread to post this message in. Please direct me if there's another, better thread to use.
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# ? Nov 27, 2014 04:58 |
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Malcolm XML posted:They are paid to do it. Their shareholders are paying them. I guess large groups of investors, pension holders, and the like aren't really people to you, just like the way Nazis thought about the Jews.
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Malcolm XML posted:They are paid to do it. When you go to a public bathroom do you just poo poo on the floor? I mean, the janitors are being paid and they were going to clean the place anyway... If you're talking to HR people, managers, or anyone else who's filtering recruiter-spam then I agree that you're not going to make much impact in their day one way or another. But I'm talking about on-site interviews with engineers after you've gotten and accepted a job offer that you're happy with. (If you take a not-so-good offer out of desperation and want to keep looking, that's totally different.) I get paid as long as I don't quit or get fired. But I'm a lot happier when my time is not being wasted, and I think it's worth considering other people's feelings unless you yourself like being treated like an automaton.
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sarehu posted:I guess large groups of investors, pension holders, and the like aren't really people to you, just like the way Nazis thought about the Jews. Mniot posted:I get paid as long as I don't quit or get fired. But I'm a lot happier when my time is not being wasted, and I think it's worth considering other people's feelings unless you yourself like being treated like an automaton. Going to an interview when you already have a job isn't treating people "like an automaton" you idiot goon
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Mniot posted:I get paid as long as I don't quit or get fired. But I'm a lot happier when my time is not being wasted, and I think it's worth considering other people's feelings unless you yourself like being treated like an automaton. I personally wouldn't bother doing it because more interviews that you need to do seems like to me but I can imagine a situation where it it could be useful.
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# ? Nov 27, 2014 14:53 |
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I think its ok to receive an offer but keep interviewing elsewhere before you accept it, but it is kind of lovely to accept/sign the offer and then continue interviewing.
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astr0man posted:I think its ok to receive an offer but keep interviewing elsewhere before you accept it, but it is kind of lovely to accept/sign the offer and then continue interviewing. Is it rude to interview for a job when you already have one? Why?
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