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Tarezax posted:That's pretty old-school, yeah. Modern MMOs give mobs a leash distance by default, usually. Also, more and more MMOs just don't have hard zone boundaries like EQ1 did, either.
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Pity, the Ghoul King sitting at the zone to Upper Guk was always amusing.
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Nipponophile posted:Haha, what? That's some kind of backronym there. The origin of "kiting" was as people say, running around with monsters following you like kites on a string. It was first popularized in the original Everquest, where certain classes (loving druids) were able to kite things around that were intended to take a party to beat, at little or no risk to themselves. Speaking of kiting mobs.... I remember long ago during original vanilla World of Warcraft some alliance went and kited the Orgrimmar flight master all the way to Silithus and then kept kiting him around the zone over and over, for like a few hours Orgrimmar had like no flight master. Then the Goon Squad went and got their revenge on the Alliance by kiting the Theramore flight master. http://wow.joystiq.com/2006/12/10/were-in-your-docks-kidnapping-your-flightmaster/
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Nov 26, 2014 08:23
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Oh boy, just taking that entire death beach scene from an older episode and dropping it in this one wholesale? Oh, Log Horizon you shouldn't have! ....no really you shouldnt have
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Nov 29, 2014 15:50
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Other than that though, decent episode!
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Nov 29, 2014 17:13
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A fight against three raid bosses at once that is just unfair. Can you image the rage it would generate if an mmo like Wow did that?
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Nov 29, 2014 17:49
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Kirin in FFXI comes to mind. *fight four separate bosses, get drops from each to summon thing* *fight big thing, it summons those same four bosses again* Well...well drat. 
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Nov 29, 2014 18:28
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Annointed posted:A fight against three raid bosses at once that is just unfair. Can you image the rage it would generate if an mmo like Wow did that? Eh, council fights are like that, Illidari Council was fun, as was Blood Prince council.
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Nov 29, 2014 18:35
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Annointed posted:A fight against three raid bosses at once that is just unfair. Can you image the rage it would generate if an mmo like Wow did that? FFXIV has a dungeon like that, but at least the add in it is just a copy of the same boss again.
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Nov 29, 2014 18:41
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A boss fight that has multiple enemies with isn't terribly unusual. This is multiple boss fights at the same time. There is a hard limit on how many people can enter the zone at once, too.
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Nov 29, 2014 18:45
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Serious Frolicking posted:A boss fight that has multiple enemies with isn't terribly unusual. This is multiple boss fights at the same time. There is a hard limit on how many people can enter the zone at once, too. Earth Wind and Fire cheevo from Wrath was the most fun encounter in the game outside of Ulduar.
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Nov 29, 2014 18:50
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They literally did the stupid beach scene all over again. Holy poo poo you sick pieces of Dragon Ball poo poo bastards. Wow hey this is pretty cool Oh poo poo a knight boss HOLY poo poo 3 bosses at once ahaha that monk guys still a dick ahaha Oh poo poo that Ice Giant all dead hmm okay I guess walk around your crappy hometown blablah this is super boring Oh look it's the moon again oh what the gently caress. gently caress you. gently caress this poo poo not again. god dammit. Yay for next week! 
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Nov 29, 2014 23:13
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Drifter posted:They literally did the stupid beach scene all over again. Holy poo poo you sick pieces of Dragon Ball poo poo bastards. You got to appreciate the part where he says he didn't appreciate his parents enough with the note of his parents saying that they're sorry.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:15
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I thought the beach scene felt pretty different anyways after seeing how Shiroe felt just as filled with doubt as Akatsuki was.
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Drifter posted:They literally did the stupid beach scene all over again. Holy poo poo you sick pieces of Dragon Ball poo poo bastards. there also was some MAJOR cockteasing as to what shiroe has learned about the universe and of course none of it is investigated at all. because ya gotta have that reused death scene
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Nov 29, 2014 23:22
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A Server ON THE MOON and a third party (as opposed to just people of the land and adventurers) in the game? I know I was all  holy poo poo what's going on? But nope, he had to go pat Akatsuki on the head again.What's with all teh Garbage Dicks? They're everywhere now. Drifter fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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It's the new Stupid Newbie avatar.Raxivace posted:I thought the beach scene felt pretty different anyways after seeing how Shiroe felt just as filled with doubt as Akatsuki was. Not different enough to warrant just reusing it wholesale with no changes whatsoever. They could've skipped past it for new content because all the different stuff was in the lead up to it!
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Oh that explains everything. Though I'm not sure if being known as Garbage Dick #7463 is better than Stupid Newbie or Toilet Lord.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:27
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Toilet Lord sounds pretty awesome, to be fair.
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Nov 29, 2014 23:28
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I really like how they have to substitute people counting out loud for a boss addon with timers.
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Nov 30, 2014 01:11
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Sindai posted:I really like how they have to substitute people counting out loud for a boss addon with timers. I was actually wondering just how the countdowns worked when apparently all major boss attacks have specific cooldowns.
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While I'm not a fan of them reusing so much of the beach scene, I don't think they went too far with it either. The majority of Shiroe's time on the moon was new stuff, and while I admit I don't really care about his childhood or origins it wasn't completely lacking in new information either. This was a great episode. The guy verbally counting out the seconds to figure out the cooldown was great too. As for the raid bosses, there's a difference between a council fight and fighting a regular boss and having two other full raid bosses show up. Like if you were fighting Arthas and both Sindragosa and Lana'thel suddenly crash the party. Just simply more damage than one party can deal with. Also it's safe to assume they have their own gimmicks and it could be impossible to handle even if you tripled the amount of people in the raid. Like if one has a gimmick where you need to spread out and one has a gimmick where you have to stack up. You can't do both so you take far more than "just" three times the damage and you wipe.
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Desuwa posted:While I'm not a fan of them reusing so much of the beach scene, I don't think they went too far with it either. The majority of Shiroe's time on the moon was new stuff, and while I admit I don't really care about his childhood or origins it wasn't completely lacking in new information either. My guess is that they'll try and have the bosses damage each other in friendly fire and engage in cleanup once one or more is at cortical life levels. Alternatively, they'll cave in the passageways or find out the spawn trigger isn't HP based
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We have to remember that A) they're underleveled for this, B) it's not technically a game anymore, and C) it's guarding a fundamental world system that controls the gold in some way. All of these factors imply that it's not necessarily possible for them to win this fight. While gamers have a habit of making the impossible possible, much to the chagrin of the designers, and for that reason I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they did win, I think they might transition this into a moral about knowing when to quit. Shiroe also had that inner monologue about how he should have trusted the Kunie clan representative, so maybe this will end with negotiation instead of world firsts.
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Desuwa posted:
My initial assumption was that the two additional bosses were used as a "soft" enrage due to taking too long.
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Shodai posted:My initial assumption was that the two additional bosses were used as a "soft" enrage due to taking too long. I thought it was more of a sign that the bosses/monsters are becoming "intelligent" (like the adventurers) and are breaking the world by doing things not expected by the game. If a party of adventurers was beating down one of your boss buddies, would you just stand in an adjoining room and wait for them to finish politely?
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Weed Wolf posted:I thought it was more of a sign that the bosses/monsters are becoming "intelligent" (like the adventurers) and are breaking the world by doing things not expected by the game. If a party of adventurers was beating down one of your boss buddies, would you just stand in an adjoining room and wait for them to finish politely? Yeah, that is what I was thinking. The whole theme of the show is that this world is becoming more and more like reality and the mobs are becoming intelligent, remember the signs that goblins had been training against each other? Think about raid bosses that actually strategize to some extent against players instead of following set patterns. Think of them eventually coming out of their dungeons and attacking player and PotL towns and maybe even coordinating to take out all the res points at once so players can't come back to life period.
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I wonder how they'd treat death if it took a year of time before you were brought back, rather than immediately respawning. Like, you'd still be by all accounts immortal, but you'd miss out on a lot. That'd suck.
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Drifter posted:I wonder how they'd treat death if it took a year of time before you were brought back, rather than immediately respawning. Like, you'd still be by all accounts immortal, but you'd miss out on a lot. That'd suck. I'd think they'll even be more cautious about dying. Because a lot can change if the local leader died for a year.
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Raid bosses are only badasses inside of dungeons. Outside, there is no particular limit on the number of people who can attack them at once. Even Evil Santa, who had a mechanic which supposedly discourages human wave tactics can be dps'ed down from outside of his buff range. The only trick to that raid was figuring out what was going on with him and removing his ability to teleport.
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Drifter posted:I wonder how they'd treat death if it took a year of time before you were brought back, rather than immediately respawning. Like, you'd still be by all accounts immortal, but you'd miss out on a lot. That'd suck. They'd treat it as permadeath for the first year until someone respawns, I imagine.
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Drifter posted:I wonder how they'd treat death if it took a year of time before you were brought back, rather than immediately respawning. Like, you'd still be by all accounts immortal, but you'd miss out on a lot. That'd suck. What if it cost you a year of memories. when you run out of those do you begin to lose intelligence and eventually become a vegetable?
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killglance posted:What if it cost you a year of memories. All the cat adventurers start acting like real cats after they die.
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If the whole "you begin to become what you look like!!" thing is true, then it should really apply to more than just gender. What I'm saying is Nyanta probably isn't just roleplaying any more.
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Dragonatrix posted:If the whole "you begin to become what you look like!!" thing is true, then it should really apply to more than just gender. Somebody hooked a cat up to their computer game. Cat causes the apocalypse. Nyanta is the end boss is what I'm saying.
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Whoever is the VA for Nyanta in the dub, I want more of him.
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Nice short shorts Shiroe. Wish they expanded a little more on the connection between the 'game' and the real world, but I guess the last episode is a step. Didn't Shiroe say he might've found a way out a few episodes back?
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Bricklord posted:Nice short shorts Shiroe. Wish they expanded a little more on the connection between the 'game' and the real world, but I guess the last episode is a step. Didn't Shiroe say he might've found a way out a few episodes back? He told Nureha that he had a way of permanently removing an adventurer from the world, but was uncertain if that meant they would go back to earth. I don't think the specifics have been revealed yet.
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DheeradjS posted:Whoever is the VA for Nyanta in the dub, I want more of him. Saying 'nyaa' in a dub would usually raise tons of red flags, but it turns out that a black suave voice solves everything.
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