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Amergin posted:They didn't have to - instead, they had on a counterpoint guy who basically spent the entire time whining about arguing with D'Souza in the first place.
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lol if you don't realize that all major media are owned and controlled by capital, and are therefore inherently conservative.
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Davethulhu posted:lol if you don't realize that all major media are owned and controlled by capital, and are therefore inherently conservative. Is this where you explain how capitalism is a neo-conservative plot to destroy true socialism? Because it really gets old and quite inaccurately reflects the dynamics of editorialship and the business end of media.
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Davethulhu posted:lol if you don't realize that all major media are owned and controlled by capital, and are therefore inherently conservative. I think most folks' issue here is going to be that, while you are correct in spirit, "conservative" is technically not the correct term to describe this situation, which is why I went with "establishmentarian" last page. also it's a big word and makes me sound smart
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The White House reached out to John McCain to ask who should be the next Secretary of Defense. His response? Joe Lieberman, naturally.
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Davethulhu posted:lol if you don't realize that all major media are owned and controlled by capital, and are therefore inherently conservative. I see nuance has become passé.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:35
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And nuance had been so fashionable up till now
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stinkles1112 posted:And nuance had been so fashionable up till now It is when you don't wear it like you're neuvo-riche, then its just abnoxious and makes you look like an attention seeker.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:38
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Joementum posted:The White House reached out to John McCain to ask who should be the next Secretary of Defense. His response? Joe Lieberman, naturally. So he and Ted Cruz agree on at least one thing. We're not actually going to see Secretary of Defense Lieberman are we?
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My Imaginary GF posted:just abnoxious and makes you look like an attention seeker. Hmmmm
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uncurable mlady posted:I also can't wait for people who have grown up on the Internet to start running for office. "Ms. Candidate, you used to use internet chat programs to spam 'DEATH TO AMERICA' over 2000 times in five minutes during the Republican Primary Debates, do you still support this view?" We've actually already started seeing a little bit of this. Remember the Maine State Senate candidate who got outed as a WoW addict?
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Alter Ego posted:We've actually already started seeing a little bit of this. Remember the Maine State Senate candidate who got outed as a WoW addict? By the time the people with significant online histories that can't be scrubbed are running for office, the behavior your average candidate has online will be normalized anyway. No one will care.
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radical meme posted:So he and Ted Cruz agree on at least one thing. We're not actually going to see Secretary of Defense Lieberman are we? Obama is in full troll mode with his new EO maybe it's our turn to get trolled?
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Hey all, here's some more news!The New York Times Editorial Board posted:If Peggy Young, who was a driver for United Parcel Service, had had an accident that limited her ability to lift heavy packages, or even lost her license because of driving while intoxicated, U.P.S. would have allowed her to go on “light duty” or assigned her another type of work. But Ms. Young got pregnant. When her doctors told her not to lift packages over 20 pounds to avoid jeopardizing the pregnancy, U.P.S. refused to accommodate her and effectively compelled her to go on unpaid medical leave. quote:Women are the sole or primary breadwinners in 40 percent of American families with children, according to a Pew Research Center study. a bunch of comments posted:Pregnancy isn't a disease. In fact as I understand it, it is a choice. These women became pregnant due to their own actions. They can no longer do the work they were hired to do. Why is that such a big deal. It isn't an injury. So are women supposed to always keep their baby because abortion is murder or is a woman always supposed to abort because it's their own fault if they can't work? I would say the answer is women are supposed to never have sex, but I'm pretty sure spousal rape doesn't exist and women are supposed to submit to their husbands whenever. Unless women are supposed to never marry and remain celibate, but then how will we ensure a future for white children and make sure the beauty of the white aryan woman...!  So the long and short of this is that a woman working for UPS had a complication during her pregnancy that caused her doctor to issue a note saying she shouldn't lift over 20 lbs. When she passed this along to her employer, she was effectively bumped out of her job (apparently seeing the cost of an increased unemployment insurance tax rate and retraining a new hire as less than the cost of temporarily putting her on lighter duty). While an issue that appears in white-collar work as well (the archetypal woman fired for "unrelated" reason soon after announcing pregnancy), this appears to most commonly affect women in blue-collar positions. UPS was providing alternate duty to employees who had lost their licenses due to DUI (I believe because this was negotiated by the union). I haven't found any sources on this but I'm curious to know when exactly this policy was implemented compared with the percentage of women in union at the time. My guess would be that either this accommodation was negotiated at a time when women were not such a large percentage of union members or it reflects the fact that women's issues are still not taken seriously, even among advocates for laborers. As the article says, women are the primary breadwinners of 40% of the households with children, and this sort of termination most affects women who are already in the lower percentiles of wealth in this county. If they lose their job it has huge impacts on the well being of not only themselves but also their (already born) children. From the point of view of trying to win normal people I see on a day-to-day basis over on demanding laws that help pregnant women keep their jobs, it's easy to argue on the basis that it's in the self-interest of taxpayers to keep a breadwinner employed so that they and their children do not need to make (extensive) use of public services. (Outside the argument that you're an rear end in a top hat to not support such laws.) Where I've been stymied is the argument that it isn't fair to force a company to bear the burden of something out of their control (the employee becoming pregnant.) The best I can come up with is that if they don't provide accommodation they unfairly put the burden on the taxpayers, but that doesn't seem like a strong argument. Anyway, if we see a Clinton 2016 campaign I expect to see lots of people shrieking to remove any protections for pregnant women that may exist.
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Well tech companies just started paying female employees to freeze eggs so they can make babbies after they leave instead of burdening the company with their frivolous family pursuits.
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stinkles1112 posted:I think most folks' issue here is going to be that, while you are correct in spirit, "conservative" is technically not the correct term to describe this situation, which is why I went with "establishmentarian" last page. also it's a big word and makes me sound smart I was exaggerating for comedic effect (!) but this is basically my point. All major media's primary purpose is to generate profits for its shareholders, and it will quickly be reined in before it threatens that. My Imaginary GF posted:Is this where you explain how capitalism is a neo-conservative plot to destroy true socialism? Because it really gets old and quite inaccurately reflects the dynamics of editorialship and the business end of media. lol if you think I'm going to respond to a MIGF post.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Well tech companies just started paying female employees to freeze eggs so they can make babbies after they leave instead of burdening the company with their frivolous family pursuits. Ahahaha defend this poo poo MIGF you neo-liberal hack.
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Kalman posted:By the time the people with significant online histories that can't be scrubbed are running for office, the behavior your average candidate has online will be normalized anyway. No one will care. The Internet isn't a separate sphere anymore, it's part and parcel of real life. It'll take a while for society to catch up with this.
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Nonsense posted:Obama is in full troll mode with his new EO maybe it's our turn to get trolled? It's our turn a lot.
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Amergin posted:They didn't have to - instead, they had on a counterpoint guy who basically spent the entire time whining about arguing with D'Souza in the first place. Stop laying moist farts and give us a December thread title goddammit!
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US Politics December - Only a budget fight can save us from racism.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Ahahaha defend this poo poo MIGF you neo-liberal hack. As long as there's no coercion involved, this seem pretty harmless. I mean, I'd assume there already is and will continue to be a culture of coercion surrounding the issue of delaying motherhood during your career, but I'm just saying the idea of companies paying for egg-freezing isn't inherently evil.
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Kalman posted:By the time the people with significant online histories that can't be scrubbed are running for office, the behavior your average candidate has online will be normalized anyway. No one will care. 25 years from now we'll be bitching about the /b/ Party making GBS threads up Congress Cnut the Great posted:As long as there's no coercion involved, this seem pretty harmless. I mean, I'd assume there already is and will continue to be a culture of coercion surrounding the issue of delaying motherhood during your career, but I'm just saying the idea of companies paying for egg-freezing isn't inherently evil. It'll be in the contracts soon enough. What better way to get out of including birth control and abortions in employer provided health insurance than notarizing your employees celibacy! site fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Ahahaha defend this poo poo MIGF you neo-liberal hack. Would you rather tech companies hire less women, offer reduced healthcare benefits, or pressure women to quit if they get pregnant? I think increasing health benefits for women is a better alternative to all of these.
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Not Joementum's bonus 2016 Republican candidate quote of the dayDr. Ben Carson posted:I hate to say it, but [the shooting of Michael Brown] had to do with the women’s lib movement. You know, ‘I’ve been taking care of my family, I’ve been doing that, what about me?
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Chamale posted:He's talking about how the methods of doxxing and outing bad people were hijacked by Gamergate. The post that started it all had the message "Zoe Quinn is a rapist and a slut, here's her phone number, everyone harass her to show the internet's disapproval." The idea is the same as "Frank Ancona is a racist and a KKK member, here's his phone number, everyone harass him to show the internet's disapproval" even if the target is completely different. Except gamergate was already full of terrible people so that's a bad example Edit: wait I read that before posting 
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site posted:25 years from now we'll be bitching about the /b/ Party making GBS threads up Congress I remember reading German Pirate Party representatives demanding MLP watching breaks after they got seats in Berlin.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Not Joementum's bonus 2016 Republican candidate quote of the day how does this even work i mean what
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site posted:It'll be in the contracts soon enough. What better way to get out of including birth control and abortions in employer provided health insurance than notarizing your employees celibacy! While I find it to be quite intrusive and shows a lack of respect for women's reproductive autonomy, I'm pretty sure abortions and birth control are hella cheaper than egg harvesting and anyone with religious scruples with the former is not going to be keen on the latter.
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uncurable mlady posted:I can't really think of a super great way to express this, but I see a 25 to 30 year lag between the people who are going to be documenting everything online in an incredibly easy to locate format and the people who are going to be voting for them in great numbers, if that makes sense. It doesn't. I've read it three or four times and I have no idea what you were trying to say here.
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BiggerBoat posted:It doesn't. I've read it three or four times and I have no idea what you were trying to say here. Basically the people who have documented pretty much everything are teenagers and young adults (at best) right now. Those people aren't going to run for federal elected office for about 25+ years, maybe less. The people who will be the largest voting block for them are going to be in their mid-30s now (assuming political engagement among people 60+ continues to be high). Am I (or my contemporaries) going to vote for someone who kept a tumblr about their headmates?
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BiggerBoat posted:It doesn't. I've read it three or four times and I have no idea what you were trying to say here. Internet retards running for office still have to deal with 70 year old voters who hate internet retards.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:While I find it to be quite intrusive and shows a lack of respect for women's reproductive autonomy, I'm pretty sure abortions and birth control are hella cheaper than egg harvesting and anyone with religious scruples with the former is not going to be keen on the latter. An ounce of prevention are worth a pound of cure. Insurance companies want universal reproductive health coverage, it saves them money.
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Amergin posted:Those are media outlets that are NOT "dominated by conservatives." And here I was giving you credit for not putting CBS on the first list. They've become very Fox Lite. Still mostly truthful.
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uncurable mlady posted:Basically the people who have documented pretty much everything are teenagers and young adults (at best) right now. Those people aren't going to run for federal elected office for about 25+ years, maybe less. The people who will be the largest voting block for them are going to be in their mid-30s now (assuming political engagement among people 60+ continues to be high). Are any of these tumblr blogs - or tumblr itself - going to be around long enough for this to matter? It's really easy to delete your tumblr too.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Are any of these tumblr blogs - or tumblr itself - going to be around long enough for this to matter? It's really easy to delete your tumblr too. Good question. Nothing ever dies on the Internet, though. Remember, SA is being placed in the Library of Congress! http://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2014/06/getting-serious-about-collecting-and-preserving-digital-culture/
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Ninjasaurus posted:Are any of these tumblr blogs - or tumblr itself - going to be around long enough for this to matter? It's really easy to delete your tumblr too. If Tumblr goes down I imagine a lot of the otherkin and transethnic types will just go back to Livejournal. Maybe that site'll become relevant again!
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gently caress. So the budget fight is this month? When's the debt ceiling fight? ...it's in January, isn't it? After the wave has officially taken effect? ...we are so hosed, aren't we. 
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uncurable mlady posted:Am I (or my contemporaries) going to vote for someone who kept a tumblr about their headmates? The people who are posting about their headmates on tumblr are probably already too far down the wrong path to amount to much (for national level office, at least), even if they're as young as their mid-teens. Dicks and titties and drunken pictures on facebook of someone facehumping a bronze sidewalk statue though, that poo poo won't get a second look.
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Rick Santorum is pretty sure that James Madison was a Communist.quote:“The words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours.” Anyone with a basic knowledge of Soviet history might object that the separation of church and state in the USSR was not always, erm, comfortable. Joementum fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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