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Toxxupation posted:gently caress those big whiny babies, wanting what they paid money for in a timely fashion The documentary episodes have been released already.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:The documentary episodes have been released already. Actually that's a fair point, the doc episodes were far far better than the game and will probably remain so
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Toxxupation posted:gently caress those big whiny babies, wanting what they paid money for in a timely fashion "Make an entire full-fledged game in under a year" is actually pretty unreasonable and not timely. Sorry! I thought we went over this already. e: People seem to have this really strange (and also stupid) delusion that DF was working on Broken Age since before the Kickstarter. They also insist that Spacebase went through Kickstarter too, sooo Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Toxxupation posted:gently caress those big whiny babies, wanting what they paid money for in a timely fashion Games take loving time, dude. If the options available right now are 'release today, it'll be a half-finished buggy piece of crap' and 'wait two months, it'll be mostly polished', I'll choose the latter.
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Bobulus posted:Games take loving time, dude. If the options available right now are 'release today, it'll be a half-finished buggy piece of crap' and 'wait two months, it'll be mostly polished', I'll choose the latter. Except it was double fine that said "we will release the game in 2012" and then delayed it to two years and split the game in half to make some sort of milestone.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:53
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ipaid10buxforthis posted:Except it was double fine that said "we will release the game in 2012" and then delayed it to two years and split the game in half to make some sort of milestone. They said they would deliver a $300,000 game in 2012.
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Dec 4, 2014 03:56
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imagine defending double fine in the year of our lord 2014 lol
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Dec 4, 2014 03:57
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Tim Schafer convinced himself after the KS success that "the adventure game is BACK, baby" and rolled the dice only to find out that everyone who liked those old adventure games was already a backer and nobody else cared. He could have made that $300K game, pocketed the profit and most people would have been happy with a small quirky game.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:07
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Kickstarter does not (at least, it didn't in 2012) allow you to change the ship date of your product in the Kickstarter regardless of how much money it generates/what stretch goals are added. Once it goes live, whatever the page says is what it will say forever.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:34
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Eonwe posted:imagine defending double fine in the year of our lord 2014 Don't know what to tell you. I'd love to play Act 2 today, but I'm satisfied waiting a few more months. I was quite pleased with Act 1. I feel like I've gotten my money's worth.
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Dec 4, 2014 04:36
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monster on a stick posted:He could have made that $300K game, pocketed the profit and most people would have been happy with a small quirky game. I have my doubts about that.
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Eonwe posted:imagine defending double fine in the year of our lord 2014 Great Rumbler posted:I have my doubts about that. monster on a stick posted:He could have made that $300K game, pocketed the profit and most people would have been happy with a small quirky game. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Eonwe posted:imagine defending double fine in the year of our lord 2014 I can imagine it - and hell, I'll do it, too.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:28
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Double Fine has done nothing but disappoint for the better part of a decade and will probably continue to do so in the future, Kickstarter or not. What was their last really substantial release? Psychonauts? Which totally owned, gameplay jankiness or not? Brutal Legend was a tragedy of mismanagement (Activision's fault) and everything since then has been whisper-slight and not even that funny.
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Oxxidation posted:Double Fine has done nothing but disappoint for the better part of a decade and will probably continue to do so in the future, Kickstarter or not. What was their last really substantial release? Psychonauts? Which totally owned, gameplay jankiness or not? Brutal Legend was a tragedy of mismanagement (Activision's fault) and everything since then has been whisper-slight and not even that funny. They've shifted from larger releases to smaller ones but that doesn't make their work any less consistent. Really other than Spacebase there hasn't been a bad Double Fine game (though I haven't played the obscure console-only poo poo like that one rhythm game or their Sesame Street game.) Massive Chalice is also excellent so far and I'd say it's their best game since Psychonauts, though it's obviously lighter on the humor. vv Oh right I totally forgot about The Cave. That game sucks too, but I blame Gilbert for that one. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dec 4, 2014 05:46
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Psychonauts is to me still the best thing they have ever done by a long way. I need to find a way to play it through again. Wasn't that also their first release? I still like Double Fine, and Tim, mostly due to the documentary series which is being made, but their QA has been so dodgy. The Cave had a game breaking bug in it on release, which took them a month to patch so I could even progress in the game, and the patch broke trophies and they have never fixed that. Psychonauts never came to the EU PSN store for PS3, and apparently is very buggy if you can get it. Broken Age is a charming game, and the delays I can take as it's not like other games haven't been delayed, we just usually don't know why (at least not to this level). Splitting the game in two was necessary for them but has made a lot of people frustrated or lose interest, which I can understand.
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Oxxidation posted:Double Fine has done nothing but disappoint for the better part of a decade and will probably continue to do so in the future, Kickstarter or not. What was their last really substantial release? Psychonauts? Which totally owned, gameplay jankiness or not? Brutal Legend was a tragedy of mismanagement (Activision's fault) and everything since then has been whisper-slight and not even that funny. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of the studio's output of late, including the first half of Broken Age. If I knew then what I know now, I probably wouldn't have paid into the Kickstarter. Too many delays for a kinda underwhelming product.
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Dec 4, 2014 05:49
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How do you guys possibly justify space base df9
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Eonwe posted:How do you guys possibly justify space base df9 Literally nobody is.
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Which brings me back to my original point Lol at anyone who defends double fine in The year of our lord 2014
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Eonwe posted:How do you guys possibly justify space base df9 Because if you bought it they gave you Hack'n'Slash free! And if you bought Hack'n'Slash you get DF9 free! So you bought half a game you get another half a game giving you one full game to play!
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Pirate Jet posted:People are pissed about the CURRENT version of Broken Age based on the profit of the Kickstarter. Do you seriously think the small example game they promised at first would fly off of that total? Is anyone pissed about the profit of BA? People are more pissed that the game still isn't done and it's taken a year (or more, we'll see) for Act 2 which was supposed to be out in summer, for a game that was supposed to be finished in when, 2013? An actual released game would have made people happier compared to what they have now. Pirate Jet posted:vv Oh right I totally forgot about The Cave. That game sucks too, but I blame Gilbert for that one. Ron's a good guy, don't blame The Cave on him 
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monster on a stick posted:Is anyone pissed about the profit of BA? People are more pissed that the game still isn't done and it's taken a year (or more, we'll see) for Act 2 which was supposed to be out in summer, for a game that was supposed to be finished in when, 2013? An actual released game would have made people happier compared to what they have now. It's a pretty common complaint about Broken Age that it's "not good enough to justify 2.5 million" or whatever.
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monster on a stick posted:Ron's a good guy, don't blame The Cave on him Presumably you are aware of this? (Yes I am aware this is another KS for another point-and-click). I quite liked The Cave but the massive gap in the middle whilst they fixed the game so I could finish it dampened my enthusiasm to the point I nearly didn't bother going back to it when the 1.01 patch came out.
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Oxxidation posted:Double Fine has done nothing but disappoint for the better part of a decade and will probably continue to do so in the future, Kickstarter or not. What was their last really substantial release? Psychonauts? Which totally owned, gameplay jankiness or not? Brutal Legend was a tragedy of mismanagement (Activision's fault) and everything since then has been whisper-slight and not even that funny. Iron Brigade. The multiplayer is completely messed up on the PC because it's a Double Fine game, which sucks since it's a loving multiplayer game, but it was still a blast playing through the campaign in ridiculous mechs with weird guns. It's easily the most fun tower defense game I've played.
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edit: thought I was in the kickstarter thread. Oopps.
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monster on a stick posted:Ron's a good guy, don't blame The Cave on him I shouldn't blame the poor quality of a game on the creator of the game? Donnerberg posted:Iron Brigade. The multiplayer is completely messed up on the PC because it's a Double Fine game, which sucks since it's a loving multiplayer game, but it was still a blast playing through the campaign in ridiculous mechs with weird guns. It's easily the most fun tower defense game I've played. Iron Brigade uses GFWL for multiplayer. That deserves at least a chunk of the blame.
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I don't know how anyone expected the cave to be good after the tremendously unfunny Deathspank.
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Ron's a hack, do blame The Cave on him. I imagine Double Fine hasn't yet moved Iron Brigade out of GFWL because, much like Capcom learned with USF4, GFWL actually does handle matchmaking and user availability better than what they could do. USF4's online is a gigantic mess since they moved the game out of GFWL and Double Fine hasn't even worked out how to implement their own version of it. As much (rightful) hate GFWL gets, it did a few things right.
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Didn't Ron disavow and totally tear apart the 3rd Money Island game even though it was the best one (and possibly the best adventure game) because it didn't stick to his crazy ideals as to what an adventure game should be?
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shmee posted:Presumably you are aware of this? (Yes I am aware this is another KS for another point-and-click). I thought the idea of the Cave was pretty sound, though I agree about the parts that were the same no matter which characters you picked. Some of the issues on release related to the game breaking you can't pin on Ron, though, that's DF. That he left DF kind of says that he wasn't very happy with what was going on there, though that is pure speculation. Pirate Jet posted:It's a pretty common complaint about Broken Age that it's "not good enough to justify 2.5 million" or whatever. Is that because there isn't enough money on the screen, so to speak, or that the writing/puzzles/overall design isn't very good?
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Al! posted:Didn't Ron disavow and totally tear apart the 3rd Money Island game even though it was the best one (and possibly the best adventure game) because it didn't stick to his crazy ideals as to what an adventure game should be? I think he even criticized 2 since he wasn't the lead on that game either. I remember reading that as well though "disavow and totally tear apart" is much stronger than what he actually said, I think. For the record I liked The Cave. I played through it once and thought it was pretty charming. I have no intention of going back to it anytime soon, but the vitriol aimed at that thing seems misplaced. Just don't play through it multiple times if recycled content bothers you. Deathspank was baaaaad, though. Edit: Wait, no, Ron was the lead on MI 2, I don't know why I thought differently. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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monster on a stick posted:I thought the idea of the Cave was pretty sound, though I agree about the parts that were the same no matter which characters you picked. Some of the issues on release related to the game breaking you can't pin on Ron, though, that's DF. That he left DF kind of says that he wasn't very happy with what was going on there, though that is pure speculation. Going from the documentary episodes it seems like Ron Gilbert never really worked for DoubleFine and the Cave was more about Tim throwing an old buddy who nobody else wanted to work with anymore a bone. And given the low quality of the Cave compared to DoubleFine's other releases, it's not surprising they didn't ask him back.
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Al! posted:Going from the documentary episodes it seems like Ron Gilbert never really worked for DoubleFine and the Cave was more about Tim throwing an old buddy who nobody else wanted to work with anymore a bone. And given the low quality of the Cave compared to DoubleFine's other releases, it's not surprising they didn't ask him back. Maybe, I haven't seen the documentary. My main exposure to the man was many many years ago (I worked at Cavedog) and got the impression that people generally respected him, though I'm not sure what happened since with him leaving Humongous, Hulabee failing, etc. Anyway that's kind of OT and I'm sorry to have brought it up. We should get back to DF/BA talk, and as negative as I've been, I am looking forward to part 2. If nothing else the art in the game is gorgeous.
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Al! posted:Didn't Ron disavow and totally tear apart the 3rd Money Island game even though it was the best one (and possibly the best adventure game) because it didn't stick to his crazy ideals as to what an adventure game should be? Not really from what I can find: http://members.tripod.com/flaminot_guild/monkey_island_fanclub/id16.html INTERVIEW WITH RON GILBERT (1998) Q. What about LucasArts new games, and especially The Curse of Monkey Island? A. Monkey 3 was pretty good, although I was afraid of the worst. The biggest mistake was that Elaine fell in love with Guybrush. That's something she never would have done. Also, this: A. I would really like to do a straight adventure game. After doing Good & Evil I may find elements that really make me want to write another adventure game. I hope Grim Fandango does well and kick-starts the genre. 
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Eonwe posted:How do you guys possibly justify space base df9 I don't buy steam early access games? E: I don't really care if the game was delayed or not. I really liked act 1 and honestly the better polished act 2 will be the better. I'm not a fan of telltales games much because they seem really buggy and rushed. TWD season 1 was like lightning in a bottle they are still trying to produce but it just isn't working for them in my opinion. A wolf among us was kinda just there, walking dead season 2 seemed a little interested but had some bad episodes. Really don't give a poo poo about a borderlands game or the game of thrones game either. Also iron brigade aka trenched rip was so much fun on 360, it's a shame that they never took out the GFWL. gently caress man it was so good The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Oxxidation posted:Brutal Legend was a tragedy of mismanagement (Activision's fault)
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I don't buy steam early access games? what does that have to do with double fine being a shitlord developer that just slapped a 1.0 on a clearly unfinished game
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Doggboat posted:How is it Activision's fault? because for some reason people think that the developers are the bad guys despite the fact that early access/kickstarter has shown that they are pretty necessary because developers will just blow through money and give you half a game and then call it a day
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Doggboat posted:How is it Activision's fault? Activision hosed with the development of Brutal Legend tremendously, to the point of trying to turn it into a Guitar Hero spin-off while they were the publisher and then suing EA and Double Fine after Activision dropped it and EA saved it from cancellation. The suit pretty much forced all of the top devs of DF to spend time in court instead of working on the game for several months, which hosed with the development schedule royally. It's a shame, too, since Brutal Legend was a good game that could have been one of the all-time greats if they'd had enough time to iron out the gameplay issues.
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