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Charles Gnarwin posted:They pulled the trigger on Seth. He is the top heel on the company right now. Endorph posted:Iunno, maybe it's just because I was watching on-and-off, but it felt like the top heels were HHH and Stephanie and here is their wrestling proxy, Seth Rollins. He definitely just kind of fell into the position of "top heel" rather than launching above others and being hated a hell of a lot more. Brock & HHH are both a step higher - but they're not around. They've protected Rollins quite a bit - though I also feel like not to the extent they would have gone to protect Orton when he was becoming a top heel.
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Keg posted:YouTube is legitimate mainstream entertainment now, and a shirtless homosexual named Davey Wavey giving his opinions on things gets basically the same numbers as RAW do you have a link?
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"We're not competing against TNA, we're competing against Pewdiepie" -Vince McMahon
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Umbra Dubium posted:Zack Ryder hit his ceiling the very moment Punk invited him into the ring to celebrate winning the US title and he had nothing new to say. I always wondered about that. He came off as being really unready for that spot. The point of the promo with Punk and Bryan was to show off the 'new guard', and he just smiled and waved while Punk gave him a red carpet. I wonder if Vince and/or HHH watched him, and just decided it wasn't a fit.
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Red posted:I always wondered about that. He came off as being really unready for that spot. The point of the promo with Punk and Bryan was to show off the 'new guard', and he just smiled and waved while Punk gave him a red carpet. My guess is Punk wasn't supposed to do that and Ryder got cold feet because of it.
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Luigi Thirty posted:"We're not competing against TNA, we're competing against Pewdiepie" -Vince McMahon Nonsense. Pewdiepie will guest host Raw.
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Dexo posted:Dean is in a filler feud til the end of TLC where who knows what they do with him for the Road to Wrestlemania.
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sportsgenius86 posted:My guess is Punk wasn't supposed to do that and Ryder got cold feet because of it. Goddamn, if you watch it, I can totally see that. Dexo posted:I enjoyed the Daniel Wyatt stuff as that could have been a interesting storyline. But they killed that off early because Daniel Bryan was over as gently caress as a face. Something about that storyline felt so 80s - and I mean that in a good way. It's odd, though - if Bryan had been the brainwashed drone who destroyed people with submission moves for months, people would buy him as a killer, but he'd lose more sympathy the longer he went without attacking Bray in retribution.
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I haven't seen the Vince/Austin interview completely yet, but did Vince say anything about Bryan?
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Roman Reigns posted:I haven't seen the Vince/Austin interview completely yet, but did Vince say anything about Bryan? Nope
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Roman Reigns posted:I haven't seen the Vince/Austin interview completely yet, but did Vince say anything about Bryan? Vince referred to all millennials as useless lazy scumbags (in his own way), so no, not directly, but Bryan's part of that group, so expect him to be buried.
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KoldPT posted:do you have a link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvb2zZ5Y-yY Keg fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:My guess is Punk wasn't supposed to do that and Ryder got cold feet because of it. Bugs me when Ryder gets brought up with the names of the legit top-level talents that WWE completely wasted because he is not even close.
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Red posted:Vince referred to all millennials as useless lazy scumbags (in his own way), so no, not directly, but Bryan's part of that group, so expect him to be buried. This company is so hosed if something happens to Cena.
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I don't even know Vince is calling 30+ year olds Millenials. He's acting like there's just a bunch of 18-19 year olds out there.
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From as best we can tell, Bryan has the attitude of "he'll take what comes to him" good or bad, which is a fine attitude to have when the company books you like poo poo. He'd be fine working the opening match forever, as long as he got the opportunity to have a good match. Of course, he'll take the top spot if it's given to him. But he won't go out of his way, step on people, or break down the door to reach for it. In a way, he's kind of exactly what Vince wants. But Vince also wants you to reach for it.  It's because he's ugly and small
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Roman Reigns posted:This company is so hosed if something happens to Cena. The only guy who (at the end of the day) can actually do anything about it, publicly said it's not his fault he only thinks about Cena, it's those drat lazy millenials In a way, it's actually better that this happened, because now we don't sound hyperbolic or exaggerative saying the company's hosed
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Chris James 2 posted:In a way, it's actually better that this happened, because now we don't sound hyperbolic or exaggerative saying the company's hosed Well now let's just wait and see where this goes, maybe they have a great plan
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triplexpac posted:Well now let's just wait and see where this goes, maybe they have a great plan Yeah, they probably have binders and everything.
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I wouldn't say the WWE is hosed. Far from it, they'll be making money for generations. It's not getting any better though.
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Daniel Bryan posted:But Vince also wants you to reach for it. Vince has a long history of saying he wants people to oppose him and speak their mind and an equally long history of getting furious at people who tell him they won't do something he wants them to do and then passive aggressively getting back at them.
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cams posted:Either way, failing to do anything with a moment like that is a big reason Ryder isn't a "guy" right now. Ryder managed to get some popularity and get noticed all on his own. He was given some chances because of this and did NOTHING with them. It's hard to really judge because there's no consistency in the way things are handled. If there was heat backstage on that segment, it would've been on Ryder for saying something he shouldn't have, rather than on Punk for starting it. That's just how WWE is. Everything about the situation is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Basically, WWE is creating this situation where nobody wants to speak up so that when their wishes get criticized, they can blame it on the talent. They're actively driving people to be passive so that they can use that passivity to deflect criticism for their poor decisions. They didn't want Ryder at the top so they were either going to bury him for reaching for the brass ring or bury him as being unmotivated if he didn't. There were two straws and they were equally short. There's nothing he was going to be able to do.
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Punk sounds very unhappy they didn't even try to call him back after he walked out.
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Auron posted:I don't even know Vince is calling 30+ year olds Millenials. He's acting like there's just a bunch of 18-19 year olds out there. 'Millennials' is shorthand for 'people younger than me that aren't exactly what I want' with a dash of 'can't deal with the situation other people have put them in and yet are blamed for all of it' so yeah it's a perfect thing to call them RBX posted:Punk sounds very unhappy they didn't even try to call him back after he walked out. they did call him back after he walked out
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On the new podcast he said they didn't. He was just suspended then fired with no talks.
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RBX posted:On the new podcast he said they didn't. He was just suspended then fired with no talks. Correction, he walked out on them. Then was suspended and then fired. Gonzo McFee posted:I wouldn't say the WWE is hosed. Far from it, they'll be making money for generations. Yeah this
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Authorman posted:Vince has a long history of saying he wants people to oppose him and speak their mind and an equally long history of getting furious at people who tell him they won't do something he wants them to do and then passive aggressively getting back at them. That or pushing them into pools
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triplexpac posted:Seth is top heel in the way that he will be in a match 4th from the top at Wrestlemania. So the main event?
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I'm completely willing to believe Punk's story that he was set to be the Slim Jim guy and they were enthusiastically prepared for basically another Macho Man-esque run, and then WWE told them to use Big Show/Eve/Mysterio instead. To which Slim Jim then probably made some minor ad and moved on.
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BrigadierSensible posted:If Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose is a TLC, (Tables, Ladders, and Chairs) match, then how exactly does one win it? Neither men have a belt, so there is nothing to hang from the ceiling. In all previous TLC matches there has been something hanging in order to get, essentially a ladder match with tables and chairs thrown in. Check out TLC 2012, Shield vs. Ryback and Team Hell No which was just a pin or submissions like match with crazy TLC spots for an ideal of what will happened with Bray vs. Ambrose.
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Bray Wyatt's promos have devolved to a level of irrelevant on par with Brian Kendrick ranting about the akashic records. He does some spooky mad libs and then has a bog standard match, maybe throws up his hands to offer his opponent a DQ loss.
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it sucks because i think bray is very talented and is one of the more unique characters on the roster, they've just done nothing interesting with him at all past the first few months
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Cardboard Box posted:WWE has done nothing interesting all these past few months
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Can we do a bit of speculation of what would happen if WWE just collapsed? Would we go back to the territories? Would it be Ring of Honor vs. Pro Wrestling Gorilla for the top brand? Would NJPW make American inroads?
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Smoking Crow posted:Can we do a bit of speculation of what would happen if WWE just collapsed? Would we go back to the territories? Would it be Ring of Honor vs. Pro Wrestling Gorilla for the top brand? Would NJPW make American inroads? American pro wrestling as a televised product would die. The majority of viewers watch WWE, not wrestling.
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New Day's theme is my jam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyt4cIrTF4M Jim Johnston made it by the way.
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Thanks to the Punk part 2 podcast, my brother and I will be texting each other "....but you gotta make 'em look strong." for the rest of the year.
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I thought Vince's logic behind calling Brock Lesnar a "special attraction" was pretty sound - but if it should apply to anyone else, it should apply to Bray Wyatt. I don't think giving a promo every week helps him at all. Who knows, maybe there are a lot of kids who love seeing it.
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