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colonel_korn posted:So how bout those open nominations, guys This is more likely to do with tables and chairs over anything else--as in nothing new in the Sikh community.
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The Conservatives couldn't care less about governing.
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Kafka Esq. posted:The Conservatives couldn't care less about governing. Well if anyone else cared about governing they'd be delighted, they'd be right there with them.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 01:34 |
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Kafka Esq. posted:The Conservatives couldn't care less about Canada. Fixed for the sad, sad truth. I know we all like to bang our provincial superiority drums, but the vast majority of people in this country (even Albertans with quad cabs and truck nuts) are good people and dont deserve this kind of abuse. Id love to see Harper's "legacy" end the same way Mulroney's did; have his grand party reduced to 2 seats and a wet fart.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 01:34 |
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Furnaceface posted:Fixed for the sad, sad truth. Harper's legacy will be the erosion of the public safety net and a reframing of the conversation to take a much more conservative tone. In that sense he's been one of the most effective leaders a political party has ever had.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 01:37 |
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"Typical Toronto Star, blaming Mike Harris for everything." But seriously, gently caress the beer store. #FTBS. Also, gently caress smart meters. This never would have happened under a Hudak government! (I don't actually believe that, I'm just being a contrarian today.) But yeah, Ontario is dumb sometimes.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 01:53 |
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Leofish posted:"Typical Toronto Star, blaming Mike Harris for everything." quote:In her analysis of the smart meter program, Lysyk found the extra electricity charge, known as global adjustment, has increased by 1,200 per cent between 2006 and 2013 -- meanwhile, the average electricity market price has dropped by 46 per cent. Wow... uh, forgive the crudeness but you guys are getting hosed.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:01 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:Wow... uh, forgive the crudeness but you guys are getting hosed. Yes, we are. This is what Ikantski is always on about and one of the reasons he doesn't trust the Liberals (provincial) at all. He is not wrong.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:07 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:Wow... uh, forgive the crudeness but you guys are getting hosed. Oh yeah, it's a load of horseshit. But the Liberals keep getting elected because everyone else is terrible. The PCs have had the last two elections for sure handed to them on a loving platter, possibly even the last three, but they keep appointing idiots to lead them, and the NDP had its head so far up its own rear end the last election, Andrea Horwath was looking at the backs of her own teeth. So the question now remains- what happens? Clearly it's a majority Liberal government. We're not going to the polls again for four years. Do we sue our own government, drain the coffers, and force deep cuts to public services that we voted to keep? Do we just sit on our hands and wait until 2018? Torches and pitchforks outside Queen's Park?
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:09 |
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No I mean I literally can't believe that your government is keeping a policy whereby markets are distorted to prevent consumers from benefiting from drops in price and ensure that rich people keep lavish profits. It's usually not so blatant
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:17 |
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Let me tell you about protesting outside Queen's Park - doesn't end well. (I watched the two insane SOAR guys who were on a variety of drugs get pretty nicely knuckled into the ground after they split off from the main Occupy camp. Was walking home from class)
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:18 |
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That's not about smart meters (which are good), that's about Ontario having bitch rear end utility regulators. If I told you my professional opinion of those folks it would read like a Herbert Kornfeld article.
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Heavy neutrino posted:No I mean I literally can't believe that your government is keeping a policy whereby markets are distorted to prevent consumers from benefiting from drops in price and ensure that rich people keep lavish profits. Amongst other reasons, they were and still are heavily lobbied by companies such as Samsung Renewable Energy to make and keep these policies. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 02:48 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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I don't know much about this subject, so what's the schism with the World Sikh Organisation, and what does extremist Sikhism even look like?
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:33 |
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Daynab posted:I don't know much about this subject, so what's the schism with the World Sikh Organisation, and what does extremist Sikhism even look like? The worst example of terrorism in Canada's history?
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:34 |
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Oh I don't know how I forgot about that. Though I admittedly didn't know much about it, and it was before I was born. But looking up the WSO they don't seem to be particularly extremist?
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:46 |
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I'm no expert on the subject but some of the stuff cited in the CBC article is pretty wacky.quote:Founded in 1984 to fight for a Sikh state, the World Sikh Organization continues to defend that cause and has tried to distance Khalistani extremists from involvement in the 1985 Air India bombing, which killed 331 people. Former Liberal MP and BC Premier Ujjal Dosanjh had a lot of run-ins with Sikh extremists (including nearly getting beaten to death back in the 80s) and was apparently backing the guy who dropped out as well.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 02:58 |
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This my favourite part of the Ontario AG report:quote:Infrastructure Ontario loans also came under the auditor general's microscope and she found that for 74 public-private projects the tangible costs -- construction, finance and professional services -- were about $8 billion higher than if they had been delivered by the public sector. Yes, you read that right. The justification for PPPs costing billions more than public financing is that the cost overruns could maybe have been even worse otherwise! I mean even if we take that argument at face value, it's a glaring admission of extreme incompetence.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 03:00 |
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eXXon posted:This my favourite part of the Ontario AG report: Its a realistic appraisal of how inaccurate cost estimates can be, especially in areas that are heavily influenced by politics. (Say it'll cost whatever will get it approved, ask for more money when you're already so far in you can't back out.)
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 03:09 |
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colonel_korn posted:I'm no expert on the subject but some of the stuff cited in the CBC article is pretty wacky. Interesting. Yeah I guess all of that together is pretty suspicious.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 03:10 |
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Privatization is mostly about busting public sector unions and having a way to reward your campaign contributors by doling out hefty government contracts for newly privatized services. Of course there is the occasional useful idiot out there who actually believes privatization is going to make things significantly more efficient but if privatization was actually empirically superior in the way its advocates claim then we wouldn't keep hearing about incidents like the one that the auditor general's report turned up. Unfortunately the nature of our money driven political system is such that once you privatize something it can be very hard to reverse that decision since you've just created a new interest group in favour of maintaining the new status quo.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 03:12 |
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Jordan7hm posted:(Say it'll cost whatever will get it approved, ask for more money when you're already so far in you can't back out.)
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Kafka Esq. posted:That sounds suspiciously like the private sector to me. It's what anyone who has to ask for money does, unless they know the well truly is not bottomless. Also, I think that privatization is a natural thought for anyone who has to deal with government bureaucracy, because jesus christ someone must be able to do it better, no? (Turns out that too often the answer is no, but by the time we figure it out it's too late.) e: I think the biggest issue with a lot of the "privatization" type stuff we see is that it's all about rewarding political allies. One real advantage of privation (shifting risk) isn't even a real advantage because as soon as the private sector gets in trouble the government is expected to bail them out anyway. Jordan7hm has issued a correction as of 03:48 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Jordan7hm posted:
And even then, in my experience almost all government inefficiency can be traced to treating workers like humans, and ensuring there's some degree of accountability.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 04:08 |
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > Canadian Politics: You tortured some folks. We watched. edit: Kafka Esq. has issued a correction as of 04:20 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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senae posted:And even then, in my experience almost all government inefficiency can be traced to treating workers like humans, and ensuring there's some degree of accountability. There are some really systemic issues with public sector inefficiency that won't go away by treating workers like humans.
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Kafka Esq. posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: We tortured some folks > Canadian Politics: You tortured some folks. We watched. In the case of Maher Arar wasn't it more like "we gave the NSA bad information and they kidnapped the guy, then sent him to be tortured in Syria"? That's a lot heavier than the word "watched" implies.
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Jordan7hm posted:There are some really systemic issues with public sector inefficiency that won't go away by treating workers like humans. I believe he was saying the systemic issues are caused by treating people like humans, and also the usual kind of CYA triplicate paperwork used to ensure accountability.
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Heavy neutrino posted:In the case of Maher Arar wasn't it more like "we gave the NSA bad information and they kidnapped the guy, then sent him to be tortured in Syria"? That's a lot heavier than the word "watched" implies. Also, gag. Kafka Esq. has issued a correction as of 05:01 on Dec 10, 2014 |
# ? Dec 10, 2014 04:56 |
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They couldn't just leave out the part about our economy? They had to include that as well?
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 05:09 |
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GDP figures are what plants crave. They've got electrolytes.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 05:18 |
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We should invest our in greenhouse gas stocks now that they're cheap.
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Climate is only affected by carbon dioxide emissions when they're done in an economically irresponsible way
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 06:09 |
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Kafka Esq. posted:Let me tell you about protesting outside Queen's Park - doesn't end well. Seemed to work out OK for the tow trucks today.
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# ? Dec 10, 2014 06:47 |
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Watching the Daily Show tonight I see CTV Toronto is airing a PSA during commercial break ~Think Of The Businesses Struggling To Hang On Thanks to LRT Construction~ Have we slid that far down the slippery slope where now it's now kosher for the news to "buy" ad time on their network to condemn things corporate doesn't like. Mostly I'm surprised it was Bell to venture into this. I would expected Quebecor to do it first. Though I guess they don't own any high viewership properties who may be swayed.
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less than three posted:Watching the Daily Show tonight I see CTV Toronto is airing a PSA during commercial break ~Think Of The Businesses Struggling To Hang On Thanks to LRT Construction~ Are you sure it wasn't bought by one of the BIAs in an affected area? The Roncessvalles BIA did a big "buy local" push towards the end of the two year rolling shutdown of the street during the streetcar construction. I don't know if they had TV ads but there were print and TTC/transit stop signage.
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less than three posted:Watching the Daily Show tonight I see CTV Toronto is airing a PSA during commercial break ~Think Of The Businesses Struggling To Hang On Thanks to LRT Construction~ Are you really surprised? The media in this country is shameless when it comes to plugging a political agenda. They might not be as blatant about it as some American media but overall Canada has a media environment that is actually worse than Americas. Most newspapers in this country are unprofitable and only actually exist to act as mouthpieces for their wealthy owners. During the latest Ontario election the editorial board of the Globe and Mail unanimously agreed to endorse the Liberals but they were unilaterally over ruled by Editor-in-Chief David Walmsley, who, at the behest of publisher Philip Crawley and the Thomson family (i.e. the people who own the Globe) forced them to instead write an endorsement of Tim Hudak's conservative. Not that long ago newspapers were generally expected to have opinions that were broadly similar to the opinions of their readers. Yet in the latest Ontario election three of Toronto's four newspapers endorsed a political party that [i]has only won a single seat in Toronto in the last 15 years.[i] These papers no longer have any particular connection with their readership, they merely exist to service the vanities or economic interests of their owners. Or there's this darkly comic memo from the Globe that was recently leaked where we found out that Globe writers are now expected to help generate "branded content" for advertisers. And all this is without me even having talked about Quebecor or the Irvings. When it comes to media our country is a bad joke in search of a punchline.
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Helsing posted:Are you really surprised? The media in this country is shameless when it comes to plugging a political agenda. They might not be as blatant about it as some American media but overall Canada has a media environment that is actually worse than Americas. I've acknowledged for a long time the print media is poo poo, I was just caught off guard to suddenly have it show up on prime-time TV. At least with CAPP or Government Of Canada adverts you can reasonably assume an agenda, I guess I was naively hoping our TV news wouldn't end up in the same sorry state, considering how much they can influence peoples' opinion. infernal machines posted:Are you sure it wasn't bought by one of the BIAs in an affected area? The Roncessvalles BIA did a big "buy local" push towards the end of the two year rolling shutdown of the street during the streetcar construction. I don't know if they had TV ads but there were print and TTC/transit stop signage. No, it's a CTV News spot. "Sticking up for the public, we're only asking questions!" less than three has issued a correction as of 09:09 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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quote:Good Wednesday morning to you.
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Helsing posted:Are you really surprised? The media in this country is shameless when it comes to plugging a political agenda. They might not be as blatant about it as some American media but overall Canada has a media environment that is actually worse than Americas. "Oh, b-but the Liberals were terrible in 2011 so of course our media didn't want you to vote for them!!" The Canadian media landscape is overwhelmingly conservative, and frankly we're lucky it doesn't have more impact on people's actual opinions.
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