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krispykremessuck posted:That's definitely not how that works. People think this about Civil Service, but uh, it's a snap to update a PD. Ah. My only use/knowledge of it was when the civilian ESO for my last unit said she didn't have to come to the main unit as she was primarily working out of a sub unit (which she lived closer to), so I requested her PD which showed her main job functions should happen at my unit and showed it to the Command. Soon after she was working out of the main unit and doing 'travel as required' to any sub-units, per her PD. I only pushed the issue because she was a bitch that never wanted to help out with tests/TA and said she didn't have to since I had the collateral.
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Just got approved for PO1, can I officially stop caring for the next 15 years?
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Null Integer posted:Just got approved for PO1, can I officially stop caring for the next 15 years? Are you getting paid?
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Is PO1 E-6? If so are you saying you picked up E-6 in five years?
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nwin posted:Ah. My only use/knowledge of it was when the civilian ESO for my last unit said she didn't have to come to the main unit as she was primarily working out of a sub unit (which she lived closer to), so I requested her PD which showed her main job functions should happen at my unit and showed it to the Command. Soon after she was working out of the main unit and doing 'travel as required' to any sub-units, per her PD. I only pushed the issue because she was a bitch that never wanted to help out with tests/TA and said she didn't have to since I had the collateral. Basically the "That's not in my job description." is a nuclear option that might work once, and you had better be right to assert that whatever you're doing isn't a.) covered by vague language in your PD and b.) is something you actually shouldn't be doing. Best case scenario if you piss off someone important enough to do something about it is that the union attempts to interfere with updating the PD, but to be honest, the unions involved with civil service have absolutely no teeth since there's no ability to strike. As a disclaimer this all depends on command climate and other factors which may have an effect on the outcome of any kind of grievance or complaint lodged against a GS/WG/WF whatever the gently caress. This is, incidentally, why when the JTR/JFTR merged that the per diem/M&IE changes went through without a hitch, because the unions are incapable of doing anything meaningful about it. Hekk posted:Is PO1 E-6? If so are you saying you picked up E-6 in five years? e: sorry to poo poo up thread w/ civ service chat Yes, it's E6 and I picked up E6 in 5 years, 5 months. Not in the Navy, though.
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Hekk posted:Is PO1 E-6? If so are you saying you picked up E-6 in five years? It's not that uncommon in certain rates.
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SpaceJustice posted:It's not that uncommon in certain rates. Pretty common for CTIs. Most people pick it up the cycle before their contract's up, makes for a tasty CDB.
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SpaceJustice posted:It's not that uncommon in certain rates. That seems pretty fast but I've heard of Marines getting SSgt in 6 years or so. Too bad the Navy doesn't consider PO1s SNCOs or Senior NCOs or whatever you all call them.
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Hekk posted:That seems pretty fast but I've heard of Assholes getting SSgt in 6 years or so. Too bad the Navy doesn't consider PO1s SNCOs or Senior NCOs or whatever you all call them. They're Senior Junior NCOs. SJNCOs SIJ NOKS At PO1 most departments seem to relegate you to being a secretary for a Chief. None of the ones I know have much autonomy or directly lead anyone. I actually knew a CTI1 who made it in four and a half years. Left DLI, got 2nd class first cycle out of A-School then NECC sent him to Iraq with some pixel-faced group and he got capped for doing something he never specified, i always assumed it was giving a captain head in the midst of a firefight Analogical fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Analogical posted:They're Senior Junior NCOs. SJNCOs SIJ NOKS You've never been on a ship. I was absolutely directly leading on a ship.
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poopkitty posted:You've never been on a ship. I was absolutely directly leading on a ship. Yeah I'm only talking the bulk of the CTI community. I have no idea what goes on inside those giant metal floating things
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Analogical posted:Yeah I'm only talking the bulk of the CTI community. I have no idea what goes on inside those giant metal floating things Lots of cuddling and crotch grabbing
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Analogical posted:They're Senior Junior NCOs. SJNCOs SIJ NOKS It's not that hard if you're in the right rate. I put on first after about the same amount of time. I was only 22 at the time plus I look young anyway. I had someone ask me at least once a week if I was wearing the right uniform. Several people even demanded to see my ID card. I then proceeded to not make chief for the next 6 years.
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poopkitty posted:You've never been on a ship. I was absolutely directly leading on a ship. I think it depends on the Chief. I had a good Chief who empowered me to lead and would point me in the right direction if I needed some help. Some Chiefs aren't as good about that and have trouble giving up some control.
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SpaceJustice posted:I think it depends on the Chief. I had a good Chief who empowered me to lead and would point me in the right direction if I needed some help. Some Chiefs aren't as good about that and have trouble giving up some control. Truth. Depends on the PO1 also. I empowered some, and marginalized others.
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poopkitty posted:Are you getting paid? Of course not! I just get all the extra work with none of the pay.
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ManMythLegend posted:Bro, I ask you with all seriousness, have you contacted an IG or at the very least a JAG? This. Some serious, SERIOUS red flags went up reading Analogical's post. If that poo poo's true, and I'm going to assume it is, heads, dicks, balls - all of it - will roll for something like this. If Navy JAG/Navy IG said those things to you, I highly recommend you contact DOD IG ASAP. http://www.dodig.mil/About_Us/contactUs.html
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It's Korean, it just says "SASIMI" *shrugs*. Wait, you paid 20 bucks for that poo poo? Goddamn...
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They missed July? Slackers.
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I think I told you guys this, but we have a 6 year chief in our field. I actually I think I see more red rockers in my field than gold.
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Better update your Page 2, shippie  Sir Lucius posted:I think I told you guys this, but we have a 6 year chief in our field. I actually I think I see more red rockers in my field than gold. I made in 7 years and got a lot of sideways glances rocking the one service stripe in my blues. Then again moving to the reserves, it seems everyone is either older and more time in or fresh from the schoolhouse.
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Sir Lucius posted:I think I told you guys this, but we have a 6 year chief in our field. I actually I think I see more red rockers in my field than gold. drat, fastest HM Chief I ever heard of making it was 7 years or so, and by 9 he was a Senior Chief. My instructor in A-school was in his class and they were always competing, my instructor made Chief at the 8 year mark right after his friend, but I think he's still a Chief and hasn't picked up. Both have ridiculously awesome stacks of ribbons though.
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Nick Soapdish posted:Better update your Page 2, shippie That's one thing I noticed, I think I'm the youngest first class at my NOSC. EDIT: Also, it's weird seeing Chiefs and above with no warfare devices.
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Haha I've seen so many 10ish year e-5s and a lot get HYT at the 12 year mark
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Done with another A school. Commence drinking and beard growing for a few weeks!
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Pandasmores posted:Both have ridiculously awesome stacks of ribbons though. Ha! I've been in 3 and a half and just started my second row (I'll let you guess which one it is).
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Sir Lucius posted:Ha! I've been in 3 and a half and just started my second row (I'll let you guess which one it is). That's because this command is stingy as gently caress with impact awards unless you deploy.
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buttplug posted:That's because this command is stingy as gently caress with impact awards unless you deploy. All the NIOCs are IMO. The impacts they do give out are for really weird reasons. I tried to nominate a guy for a coin and they wouldn't even do that. I think part of it is that the civilians run most of our offices so the Naval component can't track when we do something that would merit an award and the civs don't ever think to tip off our NCOICs. My LPO doesn't even know what I do at a job title or description level, not because she can't either.
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Laranzu posted:Done with another A school. Commence drinking and beard growing for a few weeks! Congrats on finishing the hardest scho....pffffftttttjahahahahahaha Good job putting up with all that bullshit and preemptive congrats on picking up first next cycle.
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It's too bad there's hardly any Army IAs going on these days. Do one of those and you come back with 3 rows
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Sir Lucius posted:Ha! I've been in 3 and a half and just started my second row (I'll let you guess which one it is). Some people hate the Good Cookie award, I personally love it. It means that I was good enough at my job for people to look over the petty bullshit most of the time, and I appreciate that.
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Christoff posted:It's too bad there's hardly any Army IAs going on these days. Do one of those and you come back with 3 rows There's still some in intel but you have like 28 days to get your boots on that ground before the campaign is over for awards. Until the ISIS CRISIS that is. Looking like I'll be sent to advise next year but I doubt they'll retro a campaign so really it's just six months of bootlegged movies and comfortable-but-annoying living conditions. Analogical fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Analogical posted:All the NIOCs are IMO. The impacts they do give out are for really weird reasons. I tried to nominate a guy for a coin and they wouldn't even do that. I think part of it is that the civilians run most of our offices so the Naval component can't track when we do something that would merit an award and the civs don't ever think to tip off our NCOICs. My LPO doesn't even know what I do at a job title or description level, not because she can't either. *shrugs* I'm an 1820, this is my first NIOC...no basis of reference. Even with the way the NIOCs are setup, there's nothing stopping MIL folks from putting other MIL folks in for awards and leaving the narrative/write-up on the high side with all the juicy juicy goodness and then just sanitizing the citation... I just came from the joint world where the Army handed out awards like they were going out of style. I walked away from a 3-year tour with 2 JSAMs and a DMSM as an O3 (unheard of). To put it in perspective, COs typically get a MSM after a successful command at sea. Analogical posted:There's still some in intel but you have like 28 days to get your boots on that ground before the campaign is over for awards. AFAIK the OIF campaign ribbon was extended in light of the recent events with ISIS. I'm assuming you're referring to the OEF campaign ribbon being schwacked? I must have missed that.. buttplug fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Technically, OEF ended a couple days ago and was replaced by Operation Resolute Support. Not sure how that affects the actual award eligibility though. Everyone just gets GWOT EMs now, I guess?
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Laranzu posted:Done with another A school. Commence drinking and beard growing for a few weeks! Hey, this just loving clicked with me. Congrats man! If you end up at ft. meade let me know, I just finished a 56 hour work week and went to an Army/Navy boxing match. It was actually a lot of fun, but god drat you'd think there'd be more Navy that close to the Academy. I seriously think the 10 people in our group were the only ones cheering for the future naval officers to beat the poo poo out of the army future officers.
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My god, you mean people don't get to grow beards while being in? I feel pretty good with this beard right now.. All jokes aside, why is the Army/Navy game thing starting to explode, its filling up facebook with the 'viral marketing b grade youtube videos.
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Ryand-Smith posted:My god, you mean people don't get to grow beards while being in? I feel pretty good with this beard right now.. All jokes aside, why is the Army/Navy game thing starting to explode, its filling up facebook with the 'viral marketing b grade youtube videos. Because it's today.
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