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Theory #1: Nyssa knows that Ollie didn't kill Sara and in order to find out who is truly responsible, she scoops him up from the mountain and gifts him a spa day in the pits. Theory #2: Maseo is under the influence of mind-control plant and breaks free of it seeing Ollie die (we're shown in flashbacks why they have such a bond) and gifts him a spa day in the pits.
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I was wondering if anyone here had only watched the Flash and picked up Arrow after the crossover, and what they thought of it.
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Dec 15, 2014 17:05
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Phummus posted:Theory #1: Nyssa knows that Ollie didn't kill Sara and in order to find out who is truly responsible, she scoops him up from the mountain and gifts him a spa day in the pits.
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Dec 15, 2014 17:14
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Isn't part of Ra's character that he is looking for some one to pass the mantle onto? Figure a guy that would rather die that give up his blood would be a decent replacement.
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Dec 15, 2014 17:41
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:Isn't part of Ra's character that he is looking for some one to pass the mantle onto? Figure a guy that would rather die that give up his blood would be a decent replacement. Well as we learned in Batman Beyond he wasn't looking for an heir, he was looking for a new body to inhabit. Which resulted in the greatest moment in Animated Bruce Wayne history.
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Dec 15, 2014 18:06
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Rhyno posted:Well as we learned in Batman Beyond he wasn't looking for an heir, he was looking for a new body to inhabit. Which resulted in the greatest moment in Animated Bruce Wayne history. No, that would be this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebI8H5nq5L4
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Dec 15, 2014 19:19
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Technogeek posted:No, that would be this. Funny enough its the same episode.
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Dec 15, 2014 19:25
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:Isn't part of Ra's character that he is looking for some one to pass the mantle onto? Figure a guy that would rather die that give up his blood would be a decent replacement. If you can't beat him it's all meaningless, considering his mantle is "Killing a sizable percent of the world to bring balance back to it". He'd never pass over his role to someone that isn't as tough as he is. They'd just gently caress it up and die the first time they got tested. Lots of people love their family and would die for them. Are they also willing and capable of, say, killing every single living thing in North America? No? Not good enough.
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Dec 15, 2014 19:29
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I don't see why you introduce Hong Kong dude into this story unless he or Katana are going to be the one who saves Oliver. I think he does it and Ra's kills him for it, but Ra's lets Oliver live since he already died once and he knows he didn't kill Sara. But Oliver's commitment to die to protect the killer will sell Ra's and Nyssa on giving him time or believing that it was all Merlyn. All that will play out over the next few episodes while everyone in Starling City thinks Oliver is dead. Nyssa will show up and tell them and everyone will grieve. Roy may take up the green hood and try and protect the city in Oliver's absence. Laurel will find out about Merlyn's role and don the Canary gear to help Roy, honor Oliver, and seek revenge for Sara and Ollie. Ray will don the ATOM gear and become the new star of Starling. Someone will have to figure out what to tell Thea. The final shot of the next episode will be Oliver resurrecting after a fool episode of mourning. Then after a few episodes of recovery and politics with the League he'll return to Starling to everyone's shock. Honestly, it all sounds like a lot of fun to me and a classic comic story. And I'm really interested to see how the Thea thing goes. Part of me imagines a scenario where they tell Thea everything, Roy puts on the green hood and Thea puts on the red one introducing her as Speedy. But its probably way too early for that unless they do a months long time jump. But even without that I'm really curious to see what Team Arrow tells Thea and how she takes it.
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Dec 15, 2014 20:35
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eNeMeE posted:Ra's absolutely knows this, and said as much in front of Nyssa. Right before Ollie pulled the rules lawyering "I can totally win by the power of determination" move, Ra's said something like being offended by Ollie taking him for a fool. I could absolutely see it being someone sent by Ra's to go pick him up so he can ask him some questions, all while being very disappointed in the kid who was letting his potential go to waste. I assumed that was the whole point of his pre-fight speech to Oliver about his first kill. Sacrifice for your family.
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Dec 15, 2014 21:10
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STAC Goat posted:I don't see why you introduce Hong Kong dude into this story unless he or Katana are going to be the one who saves Oliver. I think he does it and Ra's kills him for it, but Ra's lets Oliver live since he already died once and he knows he didn't kill Sara. But Oliver's commitment to die to protect the killer will sell Ra's and Nyssa on giving him time or believing that it was all Merlyn. Personally I'm on the edge of my seat to find out where the DJ subplot is going.
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Dec 15, 2014 21:21
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Oh man, old rear end in a top hat Bruce Wayne is my favorite Bruce Wayne. Batman Beyond is so incredibly dark, it doesn't get nearly enough love. And I agree that having Maseo play a key role in the current day stuff is the only way they salvage the flashbacks this year.
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Dec 15, 2014 21:49
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Kibayasu posted:Personally I'm on the edge of my seat to find out where the DJ subplot is going. Roy is gonna flip so hard at him.
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Dec 15, 2014 22:37
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Kibayasu posted:Personally I'm on the edge of my seat to find out where the DJ subplot is going. I really, really hope Thea murders him.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:20
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I dont know posted:I really, really hope Thea murders him. In the very first scene in the next episode, yeah.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:36
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Malcolm reveals that the DJ is his long-lost son and Thea throws up again.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:59
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:Isn't part of Ra's character that he is looking for some one to pass the mantle onto? Figure a guy that would rather die that give up his blood would be a decent replacement. This would almost certainly never happen, but I don't want to be within a thousand miles of this thread if it does. The bitching over Ra's passing the LoA onto  A MAN instead of his daughter would be absolutely insufferable.
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Eddain posted:Malcolm reveals that the DJ is his long-lost son and Thea throws up again. Or he's Music Meister.
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Warmachine posted:Or he's Music Meister. Impossible, he's not Neil Patrick Harris.
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JohnSherman posted:This would almost certainly never happen, but I don't want to be within a thousand miles of this thread if it does. The bitching over Ra's passing the LoA onto "How dare this centuries-old hyper-conservative villain character hold a chauvinistic attitude towards women! I thought Ra's Al Ghul was a feminist and now I'm so disillusioned!!!"
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Some Numbers posted:Impossible, he's not Neil Patrick Harris. Not this early in time timeline, no. 
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Xealot posted:"How dare this centuries-old hyper-conservative villain character hold a chauvinistic attitude towards women! I thought Ra's Al Ghul was a feminist and now I'm so disillusioned!!!" If Ra's did have Canary killed after all, Nyssa not popping out little Al Ghul heirs is certainly why. My current theory behind Merlyn's plan is he lied about the how, but not the why. Ra's forgives his blood debt if Merlyn kills Canary in a way that can't be traced to Ra's. Thea and Ollie are just patsy's.
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Dec 16, 2014 01:55
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STAC Goat posted:I don't see why you introduce Hong Kong dude into this story unless he or Katana are going to be the one who saves Oliver. I think he does it and Ra's kills him for it, but Ra's lets Oliver live since he already died once and he knows he didn't kill Sara. But Oliver's commitment to die to protect the killer will sell Ra's and Nyssa on giving him time or believing that it was all Merlyn. Dingle will be Black Arrow. Ray Palmer will be Robot Arrow. Merlyn will be rear end in a top hat Arrow. Roy will be Kid Arrow. And the Death of Superman parallel will be complete.
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Dec 16, 2014 02:12
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imperialparadox posted:Do you think that anything else will ever come from the book of names though? It's still sort of odd that several people apparently kept a list of the names of the participants in some shady business dealings. I always wonder if there is more to the list than that. No that was the point to the list, it was a list of people making money off exploiting the city that those partaking in the Undertaking could blackmail for money or resources in order to achieve their part of the plan.
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Soylentbits posted:Dingle will be Black Arrow. Hero, father, and ARGUS agent John Dingle.
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Dec 16, 2014 03:30
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Kibayasu posted:Personally I'm on the edge of my seat to find out where the DJ subplot is going. God I hope so much that they just drop that character entirely. Ugh.
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Dec 16, 2014 03:35
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Jerusalem posted:God I hope so much that they just drop that character entirely. Ugh. Off a roof with a few arrows or off the side of a mountain with a sword wound? Show has a penchant for dropping things this season.
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Dec 16, 2014 03:44
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Jerusalem posted:God I hope so much that they just drop that character entirely. Ugh. I mean, he hasn't showed up since the club opening. Maybe that was just their idea of how to get Thea onscreen a few times before her arc comes up.
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Phenotype posted:I mean, he hasn't showed up since the club opening. Maybe that was just their idea of how to get Thea onscreen a few times before her arc comes up. Yeah, I'm really hoping that's exactly what it was. Or maybe an episode turned up a few minutes short after editing and they needed to fill the gap. Anything to make it not come up again ever.
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Warmachine posted:Off a roof with a few arrows or off the side of a mountain with a sword wound? Show has a penchant for dropping things this season. "Oliver, the Lazarus Pit restores a life by taking another life. You live because somebody else died." "Who?  ""The DJ from your sister's club." "Oh  "
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Phenotype posted:I mean, he hasn't showed up since the club opening. Maybe that was just their idea of how to get Thea onscreen a few times before her arc comes up. Or, maybe he'll serve to affirm Oliver's philosophy that having this violent double-life makes normal relationships impossible. And she'll cut him out of her life, or he'll die as collateral damage before she can do so. It doesn't seem like Thea needs a romantic arc at all at the moment. So, it's gotta be something like that.
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Dec 16, 2014 04:19
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Marc "The Beastmaster" Singer is joining the cast apparently.
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Dec 16, 2014 04:33
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Oh my God this show is the best.
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Xealot posted:Hero, father, and ARGUS agent John Dingle. Husband and wife team, running Suicide Squad, Starring Harley Quinn and Deathstroke. It writes itself!
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Dec 16, 2014 05:05
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Phenotype posted:I mean, he hasn't showed up since the club opening. Maybe that was just their idea of how to get Thea onscreen a few times before her arc comes up. He popped up again briefly, hasn't he been seen on set in a costume? Like, isn't he the Pied Piper?
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Phenotype posted:I mean, he hasn't showed up since the club opening. Maybe that was just their idea of how to get Thea onscreen a few times before her arc comes up. Thea was talking to him on the phone in the crossover episode. I hope hes gone, but I suspect he will be around for short pointless scenes for a while until he moves to a new city to join Carly and is never spoken of again.
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My theory is that he was just a half assed love interest because the show wanted to put Thea/Roy to rest and show that everyone's over it. There seems to be no trace of longing or jealousy or anything there so I think they just wanted it done with so they had her kiss a douchebag. But I could see him being Pied Piper down the line.
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Soylentbits posted:Dingle will be Black Arrow. Ray Palmer will be Robot Arrow. Merlyn will be rear end in a top hat Arrow. Roy will be Kid Arrow. And the Death of Superman parallel will be complete. Steel Arrow Arrowboy Arrowdicator CyBarrowman
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jscolon2.0 posted:Arrowboy Arrowflip
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Rhyno posted:He popped up again briefly, hasn't he been seen on set in a costume? Like, isn't he the Pied Piper? STAC Goat posted:My theory is that he was just a half assed love interest because the show wanted to put Thea/Roy to rest and show that everyone's over it. There seems to be no trace of longing or jealousy or anything there so I think they just wanted it done with so they had her kiss a douchebag. Pied Piper has been cast for The Flash, being played by a different actor.
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