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Guys. Guys! Guys guys guys. Guys. I'm furiously working to get this update out before the 25th is over, but in the meantime, a Christmas miracle has occurred. Revenge is actually useful.
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Chokes McGee posted:Guys. Guys! Guys guys guys. Guys. Saw bless us, everyone.
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Chokes McGee posted:Guys. Guys! Guys guys guys. Guys. A Christmas Miracle indeed ! I gotta see this 
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Chapter -1: Meanwhile... Gather 'round, children, for I have a story to tell...  Deeeeck the halls with boughs of holly~ Hi, Gale! Thanks for inviting me. Everything looks great! Thanks! We got a tree and everything! And I got the eggnog! Hope you put the extra special "ingredient" in it~ Ha! Trust me, you can smell the brandy all the way over here. Good evening. Oh, hello! I'm not sure I've seen you around. Do you have an invitation? I don't need an invitation. Oh, silly me! You don't need an invitation. Wow. How did you do that? I didn't do that. Oh! I guess you didn't.  This is really great. You've outdone yourself, Gale. Absolutely! Thanks so much, everyone. How's the new recruit coming? Doesn't know her rear end from her sword blade. I left her with Sgt. Slabrock. If he can't whip her into shape, there's no hope. Well, good luck with that. Hey, isn't that...? Oh. Oh God. It is. Hi, everybody! Who invited you? Well... The guy with the hat said he was a friend of yours, and he invited me, soooo... No. Go away. Come on. It's the holiday season. Yeah, but things happen around that freak. Bad things.  Hey, does anyone else smell that? Sorry, we had to change the wheel oil on our carts earlier. What? Why? Completely forgot to, and inspection's tomorrow. If we didn't do it, commander'll have our hides. Well, those fumes mixing with the fresh paint upstairs can't be helping! We have to have those rooms ready when vacationers show up tomorrow! You know what? I'm not even worried about it. If she wants to stay, fine. Now, let's all gather around our wooden tree, enjoy incredibly alcoholic eggnog, and remember the real reason for the season. Yeah! Merry Christmas, every... aaah.... AAAAAAAH...Minutes later...  I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW I SNEEZED FIRE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ...and that's the story of the Worst Christmas Party in History.    wooooooooooooowNext Time: Secret Agent Dad! (seriously this time)
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Sounds like the Best Christmas Party in history. You know, for everyone who wasn't involved and got to watch. 
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I can't help but think it loses some of its power now that we know what it's about
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Dec 26, 2014 16:09
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UmbreonMessiah posted:I can't help but think it loses some of its power now that we know what it's about I wanted to finally put it to rest now that we're on the sequel. A running joke can't run forever. Still, at least it's not as bad as what happened at Apollo's party. 
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Dec 26, 2014 16:11
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I figured we'd find out when you did an LP of 3. You are gonna do an LP of 3, right? 
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Dec 26, 2014 17:46
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Kheldarn posted:I figured we'd find out when you did an LP of 3. You are gonna do an LP of 3, right? 3 has quite an asinine story. I'd definitely love to see Chokes' take on it.
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Dec 26, 2014 17:57
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Kheldarn posted:I figured we'd find out when you did an LP of 3. You are gonna do an LP of 3, right? I hate to say this, but probably not. I've never been particularly enamored of 3 because it lacks the typical batshit SaGa mechanics and feels hugely nerfed on top of that. My utter indifference to it would be palpable in the writing, so best not to do it. I do have other things in mind, but I've forgotten just how drat much game there is here to cover, so this one may take a bit. Especially since I'm working at a way more leisurely pace than the first; FFL1 carried intensity with it, but family drama aside, 2 is WAY more lighthearted.
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Dec 26, 2014 18:28
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Chokes McGee posted:I hate to say this, but probably not. I've never been particularly enamored of 3 because it lacks the typical batshit SaGa mechanics and feels hugely nerfed on top of that. My utter indifference to it would be palpable in the writing, so best not to do it. The DS Remake (which is translated btw) has SaGa 2's system + animalification and robotification
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Siegkrow posted:The DS Remake (which is translated btw) has SaGa 2's system + animalification and robotification Yeah, though the game kind of beats you over the head with the plot and its own idea of "characterization" so the usual Chokes charm wouldn't quite work on it. (That said, there's something to be said about a SaGa mech like Roy having a Serious, Dramatic conversation with a catgirl, a male stripper, and a literal German tank. It's still a SaGa game, all in all) KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Being sick sucks. I wanted to do something special for everyone here before the new year, but now I don't think that's going to happen If this were Roy's world, I'm sure they'd just send tiny people in to beat up the viruses with random Latin and rocket fists.
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Chokes McGee posted:I hate to say this, but probably not. I've never been particularly enamored of 3 because it lacks the typical batshit SaGa mechanics and feels hugely nerfed on top of that. My utter indifference to it would be palpable in the writing, so best not to do it. That's kind of a bummer to hear, but I understand ya. If your heart's not in it, then it wouldn't be near as wonderful as your other LPs. I do hope you keep it up after this one, though. I know it's still a ways off, but I don't want this LP to be your last.  You're one of my absolute favorite LPers and the reason I finally decided to make an account, after all.UmbreonMessiah posted:Being sick sucks. I wanted to do something special for everyone here before the new year, but now I don't think that's going to happen Yeah, but then they'd probably beat up the immune system inside your brain, too. I hear that's sort of important. Then again, Ki didn't seem to need it, so...
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quote:I do hope you keep it up after this one, though. I know it's still a ways off, but I don't want this LP to be your last. Oh, I've got plenty left in me, don't worry. If nothing else, I've still got my Great White EA Made Unforgiving Whale to chase. 
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I read the other LPs on the archive of the trilogy, the ones by ddgenha, and the 3rd one really does seem like a totally different game with only modest similarities to the first two. I'm not going to say that it's bad, because I've never played it, but after reading the first two LPs in order it did not feel like the last game in a trilogy or even just another entry into a series, except in the most superficial ways.
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JustJeff88 posted:I read the other LPs on the archive of the trilogy, the ones by ddgenha, and the 3rd one really does seem like a totally different game with only modest similarities to the first two. I'm not going to say that it's bad, because I've never played it, but after reading the first two LPs in order it did not feel like the last game in a trilogy or even just another entry into a series, except in the most superficial ways. That's because it's made by an entirely different team. Kawazu and his team were working on Romancing Saga for the SNES, so 3 was handed off to the team that made Mystic Quest.
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Dec 28, 2014 19:32
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Genocyber posted:That's because it's made by an entirely different team. Kawazu and his team were working on Romancing Saga for the SNES, so 3 was handed off to the team that made Mystic Quest. I did not know that... that would totally explain it. Some of the mechanics I wouldn't miss... I was never a fan of limited-use everything except for some items like spells and potions, for example.
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And it always feels ironic that while that's the SaGa game that's most final fantasy-like, then Final Fantasy 2 is basically SaGa 0 and is the FF game most SaGa-like.
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JustJeff88 posted:Some of the mechanics I wouldn't miss... I was never a fan of limited-use everything except for some items like spells and potions, for example. It's a good thing that weapon durability wouldn't come back to the series until SaGa Frontier 2, then!  In its own way, FFL and FFL2 wouldn't work without the breakable weapons. You'd have to completely throw out the Martial Arts mechanics, for one, since they depend on checking how many uses of an item you have left. The way Mecs work would have to get rehauled, too - something that didn't technically happen again until SaGa Frontier. In a roundabout way, the Romancing series works by making everyone more or less functionally a Mutant - able to get random stat gains, but also randomly proccing special abilities as they go. (That's right: Sara and Zero are essentially the grandpappies of sparking.)
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KataraniSword posted:It's a good thing that weapon durability wouldn't come back to the series until SaGa Frontier 2, then! Good point, but I'm probably thinking of younger Me who was more easily frustrated. The limited inventory space didn't help, but at least they gave you that backpack that anyone could use. They brought back that mechanic in the remakes as well. Speaking of the remakes, and I tip my hat to the kind people that translated them, didn't someone say something just a short while ago that the remake of 3 used mechanics from 2 that weren't in the originals? Something like that... I didn't quite understand what was different.
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JustJeff88 posted:Speaking of the remakes, and I tip my hat to the kind people that translated them, didn't someone say something just a short while ago that the remake of 3 used mechanics from 2 that weren't in the originals? Something like that... I didn't quite understand what was different. FFL3 was incredibly Mystic Quest. You had weapons as generic equipment, spells as same, with stats being the only differentiator between characters. In addition, EXP/levels were introduced into the SaGa series for the first (and thankfully only) time, removing the typical levelless difficulty curve. SaGa 3 DS eschews that for the more SaGa standard in-battle statgains and a system that somewhat resembles sparking - each weapon (and spellbook) has a set of techs that you unlock as you fight, each costing a certain amount of weapon durability (since MP/WP/whatever weren't in the game). In addition, with the remake of 3 they finally did a smart, sensible thing and set up a shop in most towns where you could actually repair your limited-use items.
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Chapter 11: Secret Agent Dad!  Sooo. You're a talking sword. Indeed I am! Aren't you, like, supposed to be killing us? I should very well say not. Besides, can't do a thing with the brightness of these caves, dash it all. Hold on. I think we have a spare True Eye... Capital, lad! Capital! So what are you, anyway? Are you a monster, or an enchanted sword, or...? Eh? Enchantment? Horsefeathers! Why, I'm the very model of technological advancement! Sure, but how'd you end up here? Fell down a bit of a hole. Terribly embarrassing. Sounds like it! No matter! I insist on offering my services. I've programming in a wide variety of tactics, history, combat manuveurs, and proper ettiquette. Ettiquette? Having a blade is no excuse for a lack of manners, m'lady. Might want to hold up for a sec. Heather might have a stroke trying to process that. Seriously, what is your problem, Sara? Aw, I'm just messing with you. I don't mean anything by it. Ah yes. It appears the shoe is on the other glove now, Heather. ...    Collecting magi, eh wot? Yeah. Looking to get a foothold in the god business? Nah. For serious. We've seen the gross reekazoids that try to collect these things. I say! Quite noble, that. Bit of a poser, though: What will you do once you have all of them? I dunno! Turn them over to the proper authorities? Roy... we're the only ones people trust with magi. Oh. Guess I haven't really thought this through. Just asking questions, m'boy. Nothing to fret about quite yet. Hey! The exit! Finally! We made it! It feels good to have that thing out of my eyesocket. Says you. Bully. Quite the zenith of style, wot wot. How are those eyedrops from Lynn's village working out for you, Heather? I can see now, so pretty well, I guess! What's next? We should let Apollo know we've got all the magi in the area. ... Is going back to Apollo really a good idea? Wha? I thought you liked him! I do! I mean, he's pretty, anyway. But... I get a little more paranoid with each magi we pick up. People are eventually going to notice how many we have. People a lot bigger than Ashura. So what? We'll kick their butts just like everyone else.  Yeah! Besides, if Apollo wants to go rouge on you, he'll have to get through me first! Rogue, Zero. Rogue. He's going to put makeup on us? That doesn't make any sense, Roy.  Yoo hoo, Apollo! We've got totally rad neeeeews~ He's gone rouge on us! Shut up, Zero. Eyevan? Where's Apollo? Oh, my apologies! He's off tending to his other kingdoms at the moment. He hadn't any doubt you'd accomplish your task, so he saw no reason to disrupt his schedule. Oh. Well, that makes sense, I guess. Yeah, but what are we supposed to do now? Might as well head back to the Pillar and check out the rest of the Nexus. We've probably got enough magi to get another door open. Works for me!   Welcome to Town World. Or World Town. Whichever!  Wow. Small world. Looks like it's a small world aft—dammit, Roy. Low hanging fruit, dude. Let's do our thing. Sup, bird guy! Like, who are the Guardians? Beats me. Four more won't hurt anything, then.  Let's start with the girl at the table! Of course you'd pick the cute mutant girl to talk to.  ... Hi! I was wondering if— Well, no. I was actually going to ask if— Because you may have heard they're here. Not really. I just wanted to— Guardians, I mean. ... Well, we're not. So there. Do you know a guy named Johnny, by any chance? You mean Johnny Notagiant? Yeah, he's our best customer down at Pants Shack. I wish I could say I was surprised, buuuuut... I don't feel anyth— GAH See? You totally caused that! Man, if I had that kind of power, I wouldn't be in here sipping lattes all day. Why not? That's what we do. Pretty much 80% of our week, actually. Put a shot of hazelnut in mine! No sunscreen for me. I'm trying to eat healthier. Okie doke. A round of iced coffees for everyone, please!  The heck? That's like a billion times more than the other shops! I've done the math and have to concur. You know you're holding that upside down, right? Heh. "80085." Look, it's supply and demand. You know how hard it is to get coffee this far down the Nexus? Bull! Giant town has, like, single beans that last for years. Hey, complain to acquisitions, not me. You want this coffee or not? Ugh. This is so lame. We've got the money, Heather. Besides, maybe he'll be nice enough to give us some intel! Sure. See? Okay, here's the money! And here's your drinks. Now, c'mere. I don't want just anyone to hear this. That's our tip? I got another one if that doesn't work for you. Lay it on us! "No refunds." ... I'll see you guys in a bit. Sure. We'll catch up at the weapons store. Does anyone else feel vaguely guilty? Ehn, I'm sure Heather'll show restraint. Did you just use "Heather" and "restraint" in the same sentence? Yup. Your sense of humor's getting subtler, dude. Gotta keep mixin' it up, yo.We do some restocking here to keep our inventory up to snuff. Most of the fourth tier (11k gold) gear is widely available, including Gold swords, Laser swords, and Stone spellbooks. Stone is an group instakill—not quite as lethal as in FFL1, but still nothing to sneeze at. We're dealing out an appropriate amount of homicide the old fashioned way, though, so we'll abstain. (For now.) We do pick up a Hermes shoe for Zero, since faster spell delivery means faster fights, and faster fights mean less damage opportunities for opponents. We also buy him a Gold Bow and swap Zero's laser sword over to Roy to bump his agility. Sara will take the other laser sword. I originally wanted her loadout to be themed around katanas, but katanas are apparently strength-based in FFL2. The inaccuracy of this offends me, both as an RPG player and a martial artist. <  >Also putzing around in our inventory is a Thunder and Cure book. We've gotten pretty lucky with mutant abilities so far, and we haven't had to equip those books very often. Sara's Cure and Touch abilities are already super useful—doubly so, since her loadout theme is "agility." (Heather's is, of course, "strength," Zero's is "magic," and Roy's is "awesome.")  Hey, everybody! Hi, Heather. I hope you didn't hurt him too bad. Psh, as if. I just threatened him a little. He'll be way nicer to the next people that come in. Hey, you are learning restraint! I mean, once he wakes up and changes his pants. ...well. It's progress, kind of. Psst. C'mere. ? I'm new around here. You four seem like you know the low-down. Nah, I suck at limbo. Relax. You don't gotta play stupid with me. Sorry, that's the only setting he's got. Anyway, what's up? I'm lookin' for the Guardians. You know where their base is at? The pub. Really? Totally. They're worse at being subtle than we are. Huh. I didn't really pick up on that... I wonder if they have anything to do with each other? I got a sudden hankerin' for a jam session, dude. Me too.  BAH DAH DAHT-DAH DAH, BAH— Zero, that's not going to open the secret entrance! ...secret entrance? Ugh. Fine, I'll do it.  Oh. Well, that works too. I kind of like this song, actually. It's peppy!What the jukebox plays  It is! That's why we make it our theme. Neat! ... Wait, who are you?  Well, that could've gone better.Good news, everyone! We found the Guardians' base! Whoever they are, they're running shop out of this pocket world. Being the curious young adventurers we are, we immediately poke our nose into their business, get arrested, and are thrown in the brig. Now, how are we going to get out?  Hey, this is all a misunderstanding! Can I talk to a lawyer or something? He doesn't know they threw us in here with our gear, does he? Seriously, who does that? Why does that seem like a good idea? I will never understand guards. Lemme see if I can get a bead on him... Got 'em! ... Well, you did kinda get in the way. So, like, we're free to go? Sure are! Run along now! *pat pat* ... Kicking him in the groin was kind of unnecessary, Heather. Totally gonna disagree with you on that. *whistles* This place is the bomb, dude. Look at all this stuff! Look, there's one of the guards. Now that we're out of jail, maybe they'll tell us what's going on. Hi! What's with the secret base? Oh, hi, Roy! Sorry about the fuss. The New Aeons are... How do you know my name? We all do! Well, except for the moron newbies guarding the entrance. You're Captain Butte's son, after all! ...Captain? Dude! Your dad's a spy! doo dee-doo, dee-doo, dooooo dee-doo~ There's a dad who lives a life of danger To every joke he meets, he's not a stranger  With every move he makes, another chance he takes Odds are he'll forget to mow the lawn  Secret... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGENT Dad Secret... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGENT Dad He's wearing a fedora I wanna meet that dad~ Well, it still doesn't excuse anything. No, but at least it explains it. Kinda-sorta. Besides, if you're his kid, that means we get full run of the place! That's not really how that— Stand down, agent! Don't argue with your superiors! Just wait a bit, he'll forget the whole thing ever happened Gotcha   Well now! ...you when you're grown up! Okay, wow. I don't even know where to begin with this one.   Tactics and Intelligence I bet these guys know what's up. Hey, Roy! Guess everyone around here knows whose kid I am. It's kinda hard to miss. I mean, you look just like him. ... What's with all the gadgets and junk? Are you guys magi hunters? It's a little more complicated than that. Hey, we got nowhere to be right now. Well... The Guardians were founded as a clandestine agency to counter the rise of the New Aeons. Didn't understand a single word of that, dude. Up to and including "the." The first magi was unearthed about seven hundred years ago. Death and destruction soon followed. Discovery of a single piece was enough to spark global wars. As more and more were found, the whole Nexus was reduced to a big ball of chaos and bloodshed. That's awful! More like awesome. Eventually, four major players emerged---local warlords with the brains, resources, and gumption to seek out and retain large swaths of magi. By the time we realized what was going on, they'd already collected enough that an army of mortals couldn't stop them, let alone one. We didn't have the power to undo their gains, so the best and brightest across all of reality came together to form the Guardians. ...out for them. We keep an eye on them and warn other worlds of impending danger. We also do whatever we can to keep the rest of the magi out of their hands---spying, negotiation, skullduggery, whatever it takes. Whatever it takes, huh? No wonder my dad's your captain. Hey, don't be like that. I know you two have had your differences lately, but I've known him a long time. Roy's a good man. Roy? The Captain, I mean. Captain Butte's first name is Roy. Yup! ... You're Roy Butte, Jr.? I don't like to talk about it, okay?  Hi, Roy! Your father's in the back. Whenever you have the time, he'd like a debriefing. ... At least hear him out, duder. What, you're on his side now? I'm just sayin'! He may have made lousy life decisions, but he's still your dad. Y'know? Yeah... It'll be okay, Roy. We'll be with you. Alright. I'll give it a shot, I guess.   ... ... Well. You must be tired, son. Yeah. Tell you what. You've done a lot to help out the Guardians. Why don't you take a load off for now? It's the least we can do. Okay. And, you know. If you want to talk afterwards... I'm kinda tired, actually. I think I'm gonna sleep for a bit. ...okay, son. Have a good rest. Yeah. Night. ...    zzz ... bzzk ... status report? ? ... perimeter. Guardians have ... ... Omega Protocol ... effect ... ... coming in hot! Coming in hot! !! WHAT HUH WHO WHA ACK WHAT IS GOING ON WHAT IS HAPPENING To arms, m'lads! There's shenanigans afoot!Next Time: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Twice
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The game really expects you to pick a male Human as your main character, doesn't it? Does the remake at least change up "Dad"s appearance so that he's a Robot/Monster/Mutant too if you chose something other than 'human' for your main?
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On the other hand the inherent humor in two humans having a robot baby kinda makes up for it.
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DjinnAndTonic posted:The game really expects you to pick a male Human as your main character, doesn't it? "BZZT, YOUR FATHER CHARMED ME WITH HIS CHEERFUL AND ELEGANT CODE"
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Nah, just change yer mom into one. I'm just a love machine, I'm just a looove machine~ Been waiting for this part of the game. Here's where poo poo gets really awesome, and keep in mind, Roy and the gang already explored a deserted giant town, went into an underground volcano
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Nah, just change yer mom into one. STATISTICS SHOW A LARGE QUANTITY OF PEOPLE MEET WITH ONLINE DATING. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE LACK THE CAPACITY FOR SUBTLETY OR FIGURATIVE SPEECH AND ACTUALLY DATE THE COMPUTER. ZERO, I MUST SAY YOU ARE LOOKING FETCHING TODAY.
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FeyerbrandX posted:STATISTICS SHOW A LARGE QUANTITY OF PEOPLE MEET WITH ONLINE DATING. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE LACK THE CAPACITY FOR SUBTLETY OR FIGURATIVE SPEECH AND ACTUALLY DATE THE COMPUTER. ZERO, I MUST SAY YOU ARE LOOKING FETCHING TODAY. Well now. How you doin'. 
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CmdrKing posted:On the other hand the inherent humor in two humans having a robot baby kinda makes up for it. Jr., I mean. Or Sr., too, maybe, I dunno.
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This simultaneously is absolutely hilarious and makes total sense. 
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heh. Roy Butte Jr. Good one, almost missed it Chokes. I never got far in this game due to never know where to go...
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This is where my first attempt of the game since the LP started was stuck  it seems certain versions of the game can't play any jukebox. If you are playing along at home makes sure your game can or you are hosed.
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I don't get the Roy Butte Jr. thing. is it a joke?
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Siegkrow posted:I don't get the Roy Butte Jr. thing. is it a joke? It's a pun on Robot.
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Now that I think about it, FFL2 Robots look a hell of a lot like Robie Jr. ...I feel old.
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Game mechanics aside, Chokes, I'm going to take issue with you on katanas not being based on strength in real life, if I'm reading you right. As a bladed weapon enthusiast who has hefted a claymore, katana, broad sword, sabre, rapier and others, a katana is definitely a hefty weapon, daisho be damned, and a lot of people have used them two-handed. Hell, when I trained with a bokken I even used it two handed for more stability, and at the time I was well above average strength. I'd like to hear your reasoning on this.
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JustJeff88 posted:Game mechanics aside, Chokes, I'm going to take issue with you on katanas not being based on strength in real life, if I'm reading you right. As a bladed weapon enthusiast who has hefted a claymore, katana, broad sword, sabre, rapier and others, a katana is definitely a hefty weapon, daisho be damned, and a lot of people have used them two-handed. Hell, when I trained with a bokken I even used it two handed for more stability, and at the time I was well above average strength. I'd like to hear your reasoning on this. I think it's more of a "why does being stronger make you deal more damage with it?" kind of issue. If you have something like a maul, then it makes sense that the stronger you are, the harder you swing it, the more your opponent resembles a pancake afterwards. However, a sharp weapon like a katana shouldn't need to have a lot of force behind the blow to cut things; far more important is your ability to accurately place the blow in a vulnerable place -- which ought to rely on agility instead of strength. Of course you should need some minimum amount of strength to wield a weapon effectively. It's just that the effectiveness of the weapon oughtn't scale significantly with more strength once you reach that minimum threshold.
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Siegkrow posted:I don't get the Roy Butte Jr. thing. is it a joke? Silegna posted:It's a pun on Robot. Also, Indiana Jones' first name isn't Indiana. It's Henry Jones Jr. The dogsh name was Indiana. He loved that dog.
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JustJeff88 posted:Game mechanics aside, Chokes, I'm going to take issue with you on katanas not being based on strength in real life, if I'm reading you right. As a bladed weapon enthusiast who has hefted a claymore, katana, broad sword, sabre, rapier and others, a katana is definitely a hefty weapon, daisho be damned, and a lot of people have used them two-handed. Hell, when I trained with a bokken I even used it two handed for more stability, and at the time I was well above average strength. I'd like to hear your reasoning on this. Oh dear lord I'm about to descend into the biggest  imaginable. Save yourselves.The problem I have with the strength characterizations is that katanas aren't meant to be swung like meat cleavers (or broadswords, I guess). They're actually giant razor blades, can't chop, and can only cut when pushed or pulled across a surface. The proper way to use it is to extend and then let the weight of the blade handle it from there on. True, you have to be strong enough to lift and control—but if you put muscle into it, it's just going to bonk off your target and make you look dumb. You let the blade do the cutting; you're only there to keep it on track. That's what I remember from tameshigiri, anyway. YMMV. 
Chokes McGee fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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