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mobby_6kl posted:Yes, it's actually hiding the fact that prices doubled during the period! bu-but my peanuts!!!!!! 
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I had a 10 hour flight and the meals they serve you aren't even worthy of being served in a prison. You're paying for the right to be treated worse than a prisoner.
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Fetus Tree posted:Boo and loving hoo that is irrelevant to this discussion imo. Public data being made more public and arming consumers with knowledge. idk I think a company having incredibly stupid and counter-intuitive policies that alienate and, frankly, cheat customers sounds extremely relevant to them losing money hand over fist
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Someone invent a really cheap mass producible and automated SAM and then we can all just leave them lying around in the middle of nowhere so finally this country will embrace the truest and most autistic form of long distance travel, the train
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A Stupid Baby posted:Someone invent a really cheap mass producible and automated SAM and then we can all just leave them lying around in the middle of nowhere so finally this country will embrace the truest and most autistic form of long distance travel, the train if only that airliner had been carrying an agm-88 it wouldn't have been a victim
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Gyre posted:A relative of mine works for the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation aka the part of the government that tries to make companies pay out their pensions when poo poo goes down. According to them airlines are simply unsustainable in terms of profits and operate by declaring bankruptcy every decade or so, because that's the only way they can continue functioning. Public transportation always costs more to implement than it can make itself, even if it accrues untold economic benefits for the rest of society. I don't know what nationalizing actually entails, but as along as we tossed out useless overpaid executives I'm all for it. I skipped some pages, but for all the bitching in this thread aren't airlines notoriously blackholes for money? Looking it up, there's a bunch of articles talking about how airlines made record profits recently and one even mentions that U.S. Airways is able to pay dividends for the first time since 1980. /shrug
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icantfindaname posted:bu-but my peanuts!!!!!! Hey it sounds like you care a lot about this topic you clownboat
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I'm not sure how the airlines think they're going to win this, given the precedence in Ticketmaster vs. Tickets.com. Are there any significant differences that I'm just not seeing here?
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Fetus Tree posted:these companies literally want to keep people ignorant as to how their practices work for the sole purpose of unnecessarily extracting more money from them Operating a Big Business 101: Free-market when things are working in your favor, Socialism when things don't work out, then continue to preach Free-market and denounce Socialism
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Goes to airline web site to book tickets. Searches for a specific date . . . $299 Searched for the day after . . . $399 Goes back to the original date . . . $399 Refreshes the original date . . . $499 Searches day after again . . $599 
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nomadologique posted:if you deplane before you're meant to arrive we will void the rest of your ticket Oh no, please don't prevent me from doing a thing I had absolutely no intention of doing!
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The Taint Reaper posted:We could also have something better the second my state stopped subsidizing southwest they ditched all the direct flights and raised ticket prices 100% the free market future of airlines would involve half the country taking a train to Dallas to catch their $2000 domestic flight that only goes to LAX and ATL Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Dec 31, 2014 18:08
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:the second my state stopped subsidizing southwest they ditched all the direct flights and raised ticket prices 100% A largely subsidized train that operates in the red year after year, with unreliable schedules.
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Blistex posted:Goes to airline web site to book tickets. haha Well you see, flight prices are determined by ~*magic*~ aka rand() function Garrand posted:I don't know what nationalizing actually entails, but as along as we tossed out useless overpaid executives I'm all for it. Well, any subsidized or nationalized industry should have serious caps on executive salaries. If you're only functioning because Uncle Sam using taxpayer dollars are keeping you from imploding, you the CEO cannot earn more than the President of the United States. Never mind 10-20 times more. And like you I was surprised to see "record profits" when I looked it up. For a time wasn't it only the value jets that were turning profits? (JetBlue, SouthWest, etc.)
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The value jets actually make an attempt in some ways it seems. Flying one singlr type of plane, etc.
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Shadow posted:haha Lol running an international corporation for 400k. Good talent recruiting pool there. And airlines are making money now because we have low oil prices that we had our boys die for.
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Fetus Tree posted:The value jets actually make an attempt in some ways it seems. Flying one singlr type of plane, etc. They were also notoriously good at customer service over the big boys (unless you have status and are in first class). The only thing that has irked me was what I heard through my consulting circle of frequent travelers: the value jets tend to buy up 40-50 year old planes after Delta/United are done with them and they also require fewer training hours for their pilots. This could be complete bullshit however. I never looked into it. Basically the point they were making is SouthWest and JetBlue aren't much (or at all) cheaper than a typical Delta or AA flight, and (quoting a colleague) "all that money JetBlue pays for advertising, the others pay for higher qualified pilots and mechanics." Never looked into it, so again, could be bullshit.
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Fetus Tree posted:The value jets actually make an attempt in some ways it seems. Flying one singlr type of plane, etc. I love the term sky greyhound. Have you ever boarded a southwest flight? Moo, baaa, moo
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Darth123123 posted:Lol running an international corporation for 400k. Good talent recruiting pool there. International companies should not be subsidized by the US government. Also, airlines, telcom, and financial sectors not being governed by the DOJ to prevent these massive mergers are why these companies are so enormous and "require" CEOs making $8-50m per year. Break 'em up.
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Shadow posted:International companies should not be subsidized by the US government. Also, airlines, telcom, and financial sectors not being governed by the DOJ to prevent these massive mergers are why these companies are so enormous and "require" CEOs making $8-50m per year. Break 'em up. yeah pretty much this.
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runupon cracker posted:I'm not sure how the airlines think they're going to win this, given the precedence in Ticketmaster vs. Tickets.com. Are there any significant differences that I'm just not seeing here? they don't have to win. they just need to hold the other person in legal limbo until that person is out of money and can't pay for the website anymore. but this is really cool and im glad to see he's getting support Blistex posted:Goes to airline web site to book tickets. you probably already know, for anyone who doesn't, ALWAYS use incognito mode when looking for airline tickets TwoStepBoog fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Moridin920 posted:a good reason for nationalization imo since that's what government run enterprise is basically for
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Darth123123 posted:Lol running an international corporation for 400k. Good talent recruiting pool there. I remember the brutal battles to conquer the fracking fields. The battle of Minot was horrible.
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 , or I guess I should say mainly our Tyrant King, is going to war with our fantastic Postal System because even though it is fantastic it isn't privatized, which is not a good thing for companies.He inserted a CEO who's job it's been to ransack and break it, and since he came in they went from making a profit to losing money, which caused some rumblings about privatizing it...
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Shadow posted:If the airlines were under the rules and consequences of a true free market capitalistic economy most of the current players would have lost out to better service, cheaper rates, and more efficient operations long ago. a system does not require a free market to be capitalism. without bailouts and subsidies (not just in money, prettymuch since the beginning all the way to the development and mass production capacity of the airplane itself by the military) there probably wouldn't be an airline industry at all as we understand it now, not an airline industry where everything's the same except everything is cheap and competent
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PringleCreamEgg posted:I had a trip I had to cancel on at one point. I called to cancel my ticket to see if I could get a refund, and was informed there was a cancellation fee, rather than a refund. Because I'm not insane, I did no cancel my ticket and instead just didn't show up because why would I pay money to do that? If they had a partial refund without insurance (which was almost the cost of the flight so I'd barely get any money from cancelling anyway) they could potentially resell the ticket. I can't imagine anyone would pay the cancellation fee. What a terrible business. Oh yeah this reminds me of some more airline bullshit. So I'm taking a trip in January from LA to SF. Apparently if you bring a small pet, you cannot attend to it, it must be quiet and docile, and effectively act as a baggage. Actually, even less than that- you can't even check on it during the flight. The airline even explicitly states that if a pet gets sick mid-flight, they won't treat it. Yet somehow, even though the pet+crate counts as one of two free checked bags, there is a 95 dollar fee. My round trip doesn't cost that much. What the gently caress? e: sorry not checked luggage, it counts as one of two free carry-ons 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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TwoStepBoog posted:they don't have to win. they just need to hold the other person in legal limbo until that person is out of money and can't pay for the website anymore. Missed the link first time around. I threw him some bones and shared to my FB. I really hope any judge this case goes in front of makes an example of United. Frivolous lawsuits that have no other goal other than to bankrupt the defendant needs to stop being a weapon that big corporations or the rich in general can use to drag down the little guy. Also, I did not know about this incognito method. Do you know what the logic/strategy they use when identifying you by a cookie?
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Darth123123 posted:Lol running an international corporation for 400k. Good talent recruiting pool there. "talent pool" lol
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old dog child posted:Oh yeah this reminds me of some more airline bullshit. So I'm taking a trip in January from LA to SF. Apparently if you bring a small pet, you cannot attend to it, it must be quiet and docile, and effectively act as a baggage. Actually, even less than that- you can't even check on it during the flight. The airline even explicitly states that if a pet gets sick mid-flight, they won't treat it. Yet somehow, even though the pet+crate counts as one of two free checked bags, there is a 95 dollar fee. My round trip doesn't cost that much. What the gently caress? That $95 is so they don't handle the crate carrying your pooch with the same level of "care" they use for the rest of your checked luggage. They broke my zipper.  Tezzor posted:a system does not require a free market to be capitalism. Perhaps you're right, but as someone who leans quite heavily towards socialistic solutions, I fail to see why ANY industry related to infrastructure and commercial travel through that infrastructure should be run for profit. For example: Internet Backbones and Telecommunication Providers High Fast Rail and Tracks supporting them Air traffic airways and the Planes that travel on them But that's just me...
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Darth123123 posted:A largely subsidized train that operates in the red year after year, with unreliable schedules. why should i give a poo poo if they don't make a profit everyone still gets their paychecks the planes still go
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old dog child posted:Oh yeah this reminds me of some more airline bullshit. So I'm taking a trip in January from LA to SF. Apparently if you bring a small pet, you cannot attend to it, it must be quiet and docile, and effectively act as a baggage. Actually, even less than that- you can't even check on it during the flight. The airline even explicitly states that if a pet gets sick mid-flight, they won't treat it. Yet somehow, even though the pet+crate counts as one of two free checked bags, there is a 95 dollar fee. My round trip doesn't cost that much. What the gently caress? Don't bring your loving yappy lap chiuahua on my flight. I'm allergic. gently caress I hat this, and cats. Can I bring my snake on board?
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Shadow posted:That $95 is so they don't handle the crate carrying your pooch with the same level of "care" they use for the rest of your checked luggage. I hosed up. The pet counts as one of two carry-on items, not checked baggage. Why do I have to pay 95 dollars for a carry-on that I get for free when I am not even allowed to treat my pet like a pet during the duration of a flight? It's still dumb Darth123123 posted:Don't bring your loving yappy lap chiuahua on my flight. I'm allergic. gently caress I hat this, and cats. Can I bring my snake on board? Hey maybe loving learn to read? You can only bring well-behaved animals. I don't give a poo poo if you're allergic. That is 100% the fault of your parents. 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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don't take your pet on a plane
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Darth123123 posted:Don't bring your loving yappy lap chiuahua on my flight. I'm allergic. gently caress I hat this, and cats. Can I bring my snake on board? I bring my snake everywhere I go. 
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THE PENETRATOR posted:don't take your pet on a plane only if people aren't allowed to bring babies, which are more annoying than a dog would be (since there is no noise or behavior restriction on children) e: you literally have to treat the pet crate like a box that you cannot open or close so there's less freedom than a typical carry-on item too
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Moridin920 posted:Well... I understand hub and spoke and how it applies to logistics and stuff but it still makes no loving sense at all as applied to why a ticket is $600 but the exact same seat on the same plane is now $150 if you're taking 2 flights. it has nothing to do with costs or logistics, its price discrimination, charging the costumer as much as they are willing to pay for a product.
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Darth123123 posted:Can I bring my snake on board? They made a movie about how this can go horribly wrong, so please don't.
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charging as much as possible to a costumer is not really unethical or wrong. neither is giving the costumer more information so he can make better choices. whats really hosed up though is suing the little guy offering the information knowing you can crush him under legal fees, the american way
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