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Monicro posted:what on earth Former SAS mod Albrot made this years ago IIRC, only the site it was hosted on was just that .swf full screen. It ruled.
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The Merry Marauder posted:Don't sleep on the Ommegang brewery. But drink stuff that isn't their Game of Thrones beer because otherwise you'll be stuck talking about it with someone and they'll be the gooniest person imaginable. Also Jim Edmonds hit a walk-off homer in game 6 in 2004, then made a game saving catch in game 7, but nobody remembers because the Red Sox were doing their thing at the time.
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Everyone knows about the BBTF ballot tracker right? I didn't see it posted ITT. McGwire might get dropped from the ballot this year. Not that it matters really since 2016 is his last year of eligibility under the new rules. But still, what a joke.
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The BBWAA and the Hall of Fame are both complete farces but I would say that Mark McGwire's candidacy is far down the list of their sins. I would probably put him in, but I'm a big Hall guy and I've heard well-reasoned arguments to why he's a borderline candidate at best.
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Man, I was getting my hopes up for Piazza after seeing Thibs' tracker, where he's sitting at 83%.
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FairGame posted:But drink stuff that isn't their Game of Thrones beer because otherwise you'll be stuck talking about it with someone and they'll be the gooniest person imaginable. Also their brewery tour isn't that great. You're better served just hanging out in the bar area and trying every non-got brew.
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Dennis Eckersley posted:Man, I was getting my hopes up for Piazza after seeing Thibs' tracker, where he's sitting at 83%. He'll get in next year at the absolute latest.
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I think Thibs is the guy who just straight up ripped off leokitty's HoF tracker
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Groucho Marxist posted:I think Thibs is the guy who just straight up ripped off leokitty's HoF tracker I can barely read his, there's so much poo poo on it. I did pick off this wonderful piece of information about how Art Spander reported his vote to Thibs, though: quote:Via email - to the best of his recollection. May have voted Schilling and/or McGwire I know the guys is old but he can't remember if he voted for 5, 6 or 7 players? 
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I've been incredibly insanely busy with work and non-work life stuff that my tracker is ridiculously out of date anyway. But I'm going to update mine tonight and I only keep things I can link to on it. I promise it will continue to be junk free.
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tadashi posted:I know the guys is old but he can't remember if he voted for 5, 6 or 7 players? Annual reminder that three dudes who write for a golf website have Hall of Fame votes.
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Timby posted:Annual reminder that three dudes who write for a golf website have Hall of Fame votes. Greg Norman somehow gets into the baseball hall of fame as a write in.
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Akileese posted:Greg Norman somehow gets into the baseball hall of fame as a write in. psh, that choking motherfucker couldn't get it done when it mattered
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MourningView posted:psh, that choking motherfucker couldn't get it done when it mattered But he played the game the right way.
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I feel like dudes who wrote about baseball for ten years and moved onto other stuff but kept up with baseball getting to vote isn't a bad thing, especially for candidates who have been on the ballot a while. On the other hand, it feels like none of them wind up actually keeping up with baseball.
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Grozz Nuy posted:The BBWAA and the Hall of Fame are both complete farces but I would say that Mark McGwire's candidacy is far down the list of their sins. I would probably put him in, but I'm a big Hall guy and I've heard well-reasoned arguments to why he's a borderline candidate at best. Would you mind explaining those arguments then, because IDGI. Unless you massively nerf McGwire's stats to account for the supposed boost they got from steroids, how is he not one of the greatest power hitters ever? 10th on the HR list, 7th all-time in slugging percentage, best HR/AB ratio ever. Obviously his numbers have to be viewed in the context of the late 90s, but they were ridiculous even then; his OPS+, which adjusts for league average, is tied for 10th all-time. And you can't say he was a compiler or wasn't feared or any of that poo poo. He was rookie of the year, half of the Bash Brothers, and him and Sosa chasing the record is one of the most famous baseball moments of our generation, even if MLB wants to pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's not one of the 10 best on the current ballot. And he used PEDs and admitted it and for some, that's enough to keep him out of the Hall. But borderline? No way.
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McGwire is super good and deserves to be in. I hate that the steroid narrative gets used against him because he came clean about it and he got vilified for it. I think you could the counter argument that he saved baseball with all his dingers too.
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McGwire had a lot of injury issues, so even though he played for 16 seasons he would have a relatively short career by PA. This also means that his counting stats (including whatever measure of overall value you might favor) are generally lower than you'd expect. Actually, if you disregard the raw HR numbers, McGwire's career stats are extremely similar to Dick Allen (~7500 PA, ~155 wRC+, slightly better defense, slightly worse baserunning). One could argue that the sheer excellence at hitting HR should be accounted for, but on the other hand it's not unreasonable to make some discount for PED use. So ultimately you wind up with a dude where it's reasonable to put him on either side of the line. (I personally believe pretty strongly that he should be in, but I tend to think that "arguably the greatest pure home run hitter ever" is very meaningful and I'm pretty sure the actual voting rules would disagree.) e: To be clear I am not trying to advance the false narrative that all McGwire did was hit HRs--he was an awesome all-around hitter--but rather saying that his skill specifically at hitting dingers was especially historic. Mornacale fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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There's an argument against him, but I think the detractors would be saying that he's a lot more borderline than the conventional thinking about him would suggest, where he would be a 1st ballot lock. I doubt there's any significant number of people that would keep him out for reasons besides steroids.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:There's an argument against him, but I think the detractors would be saying that he's a lot more borderline than the conventional thinking about him would suggest, where he would be a 1st ballot lock. I doubt there's any significant number of people that would keep him out for reasons besides steroids. If you just went by career and peak WAR, according to BBREF, he's below average for a HoF first baseman but dWAR has at least something to do with that.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:There's an argument against him, but I think the detractors would be saying that he's a lot more borderline than the conventional thinking about him would suggest, where he would be a 1st ballot lock. I doubt there's any significant number of people that would keep him out for reasons besides steroids. I think to leave him out you need to both be relatively low on him and also be a small Hall person, which is reasonable but would likely be a solid minority position if not for ROIDS. Well, or you have to be a Dave Cameron style troll who reacts to "Mark McGwire is overrated" with "I should say he's not worthy at all and get clicks."
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Mike Berardino's ballot. Bagwell, Biggio, Edgar Martinez, Mussina, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Trammell, Walker, Smoltz. So I guess this is I want to keep these guys on ballot?
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bawfuls posted:It'd be nice if an inductee would use part of his speech to chastise the BBWAA for the clusterfuck that is the current process. You could do it civilly. Like, Biggio could go up and be like, "Hey Bagwell is obviously a Hall of Famer too, guys."
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Heaven forbid Jeff Idelson actually do anything to question the BBWAA. Gotta uphold the tradition of past Hall Presidents who do things like resist the induction of black people in the 70s.
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angrygodofjebus posted:Former SAS mod Albrot made this years ago IIRC, only the site it was hosted on was just that .swf full screen. It ruled. Yup. And back then, our computers weren't as good so the loop was a little more correctly on the beat. I still hate Jim Edmonds.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Heaven forbid Jeff Idelson actually do anything to question the BBWAA. Gotta uphold the tradition of past Hall Presidents who do things like resist the induction of black people in the 70s. It's not apathy, the Hall is explicitly on the side of the idiot nostalgia crowd.
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Pumpkin McPastry posted:You could do it civilly. Like, Biggio could go up and be like, "Hey Bagwell is obviously a Hall of Famer too, guys." It's not so rare to do it that way, either. Sandberg mentioned Dawson in his speech and Dawson mentioned Raines.
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zakharov posted:Ted Williams called for the induction of Negro Leagues players.
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Neodoomium posted:Trammell still owns no matter what and he should get in for hitting a Super Grand Slam. That'd finally get some Tigers in the Hall, him and Rajai.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Without him and Bob Feller there wouldn't be any in the Hall, as far as I can tell And Satchel Paige. Without him and the black press there'd be a totally separate Negro wing. I hope someone rabble rouses this year. Last year was too celebratory and boring.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Without him and Bob Feller there wouldn't be any in the Hall, as far as I can tell Ken Burns and Buck O'Neil got the second wave in. It was actually meant specifically to get Buck in but then he fell short in the voting because hall of fame voters are huge dummies.
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That second Negro Leagues committee was a huge joke but at least their failure resulted in a huge Buck statue and an award to give away... Every three years that nobody cares about. Fun favt: the trophy costs about $3500. What time on Tuesday is this poo poo out? And what's everyone's prediction? I'm saying Johnson, Pedro, And Smoltz. Piazza and Biggio get right at 70.
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You need 75% to get in so that won't help  Piazza's gonna miss again. Pedro, Randy, Smoltz, Biggio.
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ESPN released their voting results of eligible HOF voters, and there are some weird results. Like Larry Walker, Sosa, and Sheffield getting zero votes each, but Lee Smith got 3. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...all-fame-ballot
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FlamingLiberal posted:ESPN released their voting results of eligible HOF voters, and there are some weird results. Like Larry Walker, Sosa, and Sheffield getting zero votes each, but Lee Smith got 3. Mussina's vote percentage is a loving crime.
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straight up brolic posted:when's barry bonds going to get into the HoF Whenever they get a veterans committee together to fix the steroid era mess, probably. And Craig Biggio deserves to be in the hall of fame, it doesn't need to be an either or thing. I mean if you want to keep out every single person who is worse than Bonds then the hall has at most like three people in it, I dunno why you'd single Biggio out. MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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