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Seagull posted:http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/law/commission-audit-reveals-offshore-processing-budget-blowout Cherry picking statistics is fun. If the flood gates were still open now as they were a couple of years ago where would we be in terms of on-shore costs based on the trends before the ALP recognised impending fiscal and political disaster and brought back off-shore detention?
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Graic Gabtar posted:Cherry picking statistics is fun. quote:In contrast, it is around $40,000 for an asylum seeker to live in the community on a bridging visa while their claim is processed.
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Negligent posted:the minister for immigration is an elected official accountable to the parliament and the public. There's really nothing to do but ask you to send letters to your local MP if you think your personal feelings of outrage should trump the correct execution of the law. Hint: they don't, but at least you can lobby the MP to change the law to suit your feelings. Negligent posted:how much is the life of the mother and unborn baby worth?? Approx 7 years according to the judge, he's paid 14. I personally don't agree but whatever I don't know the circumstances.
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how much does it cost when an asylum seeker in the community brutally bashes a woman to death?
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you seem to be labouring under the impression that all asylum seekers carry a dominant murder gene, which is actually false! I think he is a bad man who did a bad thing, and that also if we start cherry picking whether or not we acknowledge our human rights abuses things will get even loving worse somehow. you made a statement in derision and then I produced evidence confirming it and you got mad, I was not in fact suggesting that it was totally cool and good that he was a murderer
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I mean it's not like an asylum seeker has ever killed someone while on a bridging visa oh wait yes they have but hey it's 10x cheaper
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I agree, deport anyone convicted of domestic violence
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Negligent posted:how much is the life of the mother and unborn baby worth?? Stop wielding your "concern" for women as a crude cudgel to bash asylum seekers with you disingenuous poo poo.
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53-47 to ALP in Ashgrove. The gap is narrowing via Channel 7.
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They all had hands. Better deport and torture anyone with hands!
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Seagull posted:More stats. I would say based on that we are getting a pretty good deal. $400k x 2,000 is a bargain compared to 40K x 200,000 once you factor in health care, education, dole for life, terrorist threats etc.
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GoldStandardConure posted:Stop wielding your "concern" for women as a crude cudgel to bash asylum seekers with you disingenuous poo poo. I'm concerned for all potential victims of violence be they women or otherwise
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Negligent posted:http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...2-1227184471294 Do you have a problem with the government compensating people who it has wronged? Negligent posted:Except the dude is a piece of poo poo who beat his pregnant wife to death, assaults people and is a danger to women Seems like that is a separate issue and if the government wants to lock him up for that then they should do so within the process of law, or do you have a problem with rule of law too? Negligent posted:'oh people who are so desperate they paddle here in a canoe are the kind of people we want' That is a generalized statement, one individual case is not an argument against it.
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Quantum Mechanic posted:I agree, deport anyone convicted of domestic violence QM droppin' truth bombs.
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Negligent posted:whats that got to do with a convicted killer who bashed a 28 year old pregnant woman to death being released into the Australian community with $350,000 of public money as compensation for his breached human rights Nothing. I just want to know what you think about it. What do you think about it?
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Negligent posted:I'm concerned for all potential victims of violence be they women or otherwise Oh no you're not. You draw a strict line between 'them' and 'us', you give no poo poo about asylum seekers facing violence in our offshore detention sites including Reza Berati who was brutally murdered while in our government's care. How much was his life worth?
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Do you have a problem with the government compensating people who it has wronged? 1. no wrong has been committed. preventative detention for the purpose of protecting the community is legit. alp/lnp immigration ministers since 2007 agree which is why they kept him there. 2. see point 1, the minister had the power to do it legally. and it was morally right as well considering the guy's history
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Negligent has chosen the hill of "it's morally right to keep all asylum seekers detained on a seperate island away from everyone" to die on, and people continue to oblige him. This argument has been ongoing in various forms (legal vs lawful) for at least 12 months, if not more. At this stage, after this much discussion, if you're not agreeing, you're never going to.
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Negligent posted:alp/lnp immigration ministers since 2007 agree which is why they kept him there. Its not a crime if the President does it?
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Graic Gabtar posted:I would say based on that we are getting a pretty good deal. hmm yes interesting point however that's false sorry
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tithin posted:Negligent has chosen the hill of "it's morally right to keep all asylum seekers detained on a seperate island away from everyone" to die on, and people continue to oblige him. not really, asylum seekers should have their claims assessed as quickly and justly as possible but it is fact that within the group of unauthorised boat arrivals there are people who pose a threat to the Australian community. if that means some innocent , genuine refugees have to be detained and segregated from the community while their bona fides are verified then that is a better compromise than people becoming victims of violence or killed.
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freebooter posted:Anecdotal: I had a friend who spent the summer picking cherries in in Tasmania. I've forgotten it now, but I added up the sums at the time and realised that towards the end of it (when he got good at it; you're paid by the bucket) he was earning more money than I was in my office job in Melbourne. And he got free food and board. (OK it was a tent he had, but whatever.) It was hard labour, sure, but they worked from 7 to 3 and then spent the rest of the day swimming in the river, drinking beer and smoking weed. And I was starting to get office cabin fever at the time and the thought of just being out in the sun in nature listening to my ipod all day sounded pretty good compared to staring at a computer monitor. Graic Gabtar posted:Cherry picking statistics is fun.
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Seagull posted:hmm yes interesting point however that's false sorry You can't throw out the OMG 400K number without acknowledging to cost savings from having off shore detention as a deterrent. All pointless arguing though as until advocacy parasites start putting as much energy into battling causes of mass immigration as opposed to shrill tanties directed to the government that happens to be the last link in a people smuggling chain people are either going to allowed in or not based on opinion polls not need.
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Nuclear Spy posted:** A rather clever juxtaposition. **
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 Most Unbiased front page, Courier Mail. Thanks for the AUTOPLAYING video.
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Negligent please answer my question.
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Graic Gabtar posted:I would say based on that we are getting a pretty good deal. You work in IT, don't you?
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Not sure if I should contact ASIO about this or what, but seems like a dire warning from SMH:
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Negligent posted:1. no wrong has been committed. preventative detention for the purpose of protecting the community is legit. alp/lnp immigration ministers since 2007 agree which is why they kept him there. Would you agree with holding a citizen after the expiration of their sentence? I agree 7 years is too short for manslaughter. Causing a death in a domestic violence situation should be a much longer sentence. but it wasn't. It is in no way morally right. arbitrary detention is a crime against humanity. if the minister has the power to hold people legally without any trial, what is to stop them holding me?
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It's only a crime against humanity if you think of the victims as human beings.
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#Morgan Poll Preferred L/NP Leader: Abbott 14 (-5) Turnbull 36 (-2) Bishop 26 (+10) Hockey 4 (-2) #auspol #Morgan Poll Preferred L/NP Leader (L/NP voters): Abbott 30 (-11) Bishop 28 (+11) Turnbull 26 (+2) #auspol So, even within Libs Abbott is loving unpopular, Asbestos Julie is right behind him.
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Turnbull still leading the pack, running at the speed of copper!
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Graic Gabtar posted:You can't throw out the OMG 400K number without acknowledging to cost savings from having off shore detention as a deterrent. You can, actually, since there are no cost savings from offshore detention, since it doesn't act as a deterrent. The only reason there aren't more people ending up in Manus and Nauru is because we are literally committing piracy by intercepting boats and towing them back for the people on board to be murdered. Also you know two of the major causes of mass immigration are the war in the Middle East and climate change, right? Hmm, if only there were a political party who opposed and actively worked against both of those things...
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Negligent posted:the minister for immigration is an elected official accountable to the parliament and the public. I know someone else already said this is a round about way, but... really? Separation of powers dude. Judicial branch sentences people to be detained, at no point should a bumpkin elected by a nation of idiots have that power.
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Negligent posted:the minister for immigration is an elected official accountable to the parliament and the public.
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whatever you want to call it the member of parliament who holds the office of immigration minister is held accountable through the system of responsible government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsible_government
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KennyTheFish posted:Would you agree with holding a citizen after the expiration of their sentence? this happens in Qld, NSW and WA in the context of dangerous sexual offenders. these laws are designed to keep people like Robert Fardon from raping anyone else
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