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Rigged Death Trap posted:Yup. Among what communities? I think ha'Allah and insh'Allah and alhamdulillah and subhan'Allah and Nauzhubillah are far more common than Allahu Akbar among every Muslim community except guys with Tow Missiles and bowie knives. Nobody I know says Allahu Akbar when something lucky/blessed occurs, they say alhamdulillah for things and subhan'Allah for people. Likewise, nobody says Allahu Akbar when things are really bad. The thought that Allahu Akbar is some kind of Islamic catchphrase in use outside of jihadis (and prayer, of course) sounds crazy. Is it that way in ME?
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Darth Walrus posted:One was. The other was a journalist who'd made his acquaintance and was trying to bail the poor mentally-ill goober out. Time to step up your game BM.
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The US is suspending operations with Yemen according to the Washington Post. Figured that's probably been the case for a few days now, maybe even longer.
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TildeATH posted:Among what communities? I think ha'Allah and insh'Allah and alhamdulillah and subhan'Allah and Nauzhubillah are far more common than Allahu Akbar among every Muslim community except guys with Tow Missiles and bowie knives. I'd like to second this. I heard loads of insh'allahs and alhamdulillahs in common speech, but very few allahu ackbars outside of a mosque.
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I've never seen allahu ackbar on twitter, but a lot of subhanallahs, allahmdullilahs, and mashallahs. 
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Volkerball posted:I've never seen allahu ackbar on twitter, but a lot of subhanallahs, allahmdullilahs, and mashallahs. It's all Greek to me. 
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Jan 24, 2015 07:01
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Young Freud posted:I thought it was the other way around. The problem is both of them have been mentioned in the media as "self-proclaimed" in their occupations, so it's not hard for me to see the former as another war tourist like Caro. Who, you'll remembered, entered Libya as a "journalist". I am pretty sure the journalist guy has reported for actual television stations before. Not sure about the other guy.
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أذكر الله Is one I saw written on roadsides a lot in Madina Province. In Eastern Province I'm more likely to see استغفر الله Often on small signs. For cars and houses, ما شاء الله تبارك الله Is the most popular.
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Guardian: Revealed: how Blair colluded with Gaddafi regime in secretquote:Tony Blair wrote to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi to thank him for the “excellent cooperation” between the two countries’ counter-terrorism agencies following a period during which the UK and Libya worked together to arrange for Libyan dissidents to be kidnapped and flown to Tripoli, along with their families. Happily, Blair's PR people have put out a statement saying that the use of torture is 'totally unacceptable', apparently the exact same one they used when he was accused of complicity in CIA torture. So um everything's fine, I guess?
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The New Black posted:Guardian: Revealed: how Blair colluded with Gaddafi regime in secret Haha holy cow I knew Blair was among the worst people alive but God drat. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/01/22/ISIS-Suffers-Heaviest-Defeat-Iraq-Single-Day ISIS has suffered some major setbacks in Iraq recently it seems, and the Kurdish offensive shown in that Youtube video has apparently brought them within ten miles of Mosul. While this article makes a seige of Mosul sound imminent, I'm assuming that probably won't happen until Tikrit is retaken.
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Weltlich posted:I'd like to second this. I heard loads of insh'allahs and alhamdulillahs in common speech, but very few allahu ackbars outside of a mosque. Same here. I hate when my words like "hopefully" and "good luck" get translated into "god willing." I had one translator who was Syrian Christian and I know she got grief for not using the phrases commonly.
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TildeATH posted:Among what communities? I think ha'Allah and insh'Allah and alhamdulillah and subhan'Allah and Nauzhubillah are far more common than Allahu Akbar among every Muslim community except guys with Tow Missiles and bowie knives. About the only thing I can think of when w/r/t being used when bad poo poo happened was the Syrian gas attack videos, but that might be an understandable exception.
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TildeATH posted:Among what communities? I think ha'Allah and insh'Allah and alhamdulillah and subhan'Allah and Nauzhubillah are far more common than Allahu Akbar among every Muslim community except guys with Tow Missiles and bowie knives. The hell man? Like I said it depends on context and it's said quite a bit, especially when people are quite emotional. It's no catchphrase, far from it, but it's an expression and concept that is absolutely central to the religion and as such holds a great deal of importance.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:The hell man? Youtube videos of the Syrian conflict and other violent jihadi propaganda contains the prominent use of Allahu Akbar. Rigged Death Trap posted:Like I said it depends on context and it's said quite a bit, especially when people are quite emotional. You don't know what you're talking about, and it's making you sound stupid as you dissemble. No one agreed with you, not just me, and it sounds like one of those silly assumptions someone with no real experience with Islam makes (though I granted that it might be something particular to Muslims in the ME). You should just admit that you're wrong and that Allahu Akbar isn't used all the time for everything, because it's not. Except in TFF, where people love saying that poo poo when their evil team wins.
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TildeATH posted:Youtube videos of the Syrian conflict and other violent jihadi propaganda contains the prominent use of Allahu Akbar. Here's an Arab sports commentator shouting it over a soccer goal so there's that. It may not be a Muslim thing, but it doesn't seem to just be a "dudes with guns" thing.
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TGLT posted:Here's an Arab sports commentator shouting it over a soccer goal so there's that. It may not be a Muslim thing, but it doesn't seem to just be a "dudes with guns" thing. They're not saying nobody says it ever. They're saying it's not used constantly, which is what the initial claim was. When you watch, say, videos from on the ground in Syria, there is frequently an incessant background of a man or men chanting that phrase, which is unique to that demographic.
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TildeATH posted:You don't know what you're talking about, and it's making you sound stupid as you dissemble. No one agreed with you, not just me, and it sounds like one of those silly assumptions someone with no real experience with Islam makes (though I granted that it might be something particular to Muslims in the ME). You should just admit that you're wrong and that Allahu Akbar isn't used all the time for everything, because it's not. Dude come on. I'm Algerian and I've lived in Qatar for the last whole of my life. I think I might know a little about what I'm talking about. But you are right it's not used for everything, yet, that isn't something I have actually claimed. I've only said it carries a lot of importance socially and religiously and that it's definitely not restricted to only a few situations. Hell every Muslim, if they observe to all 5 prayers a day, says it 119 times.
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Muscle Tracer posted:They're not saying nobody says it ever. They're saying it's not used constantly, which is what the initial claim was. When you watch, say, videos from on the ground in Syria, there is frequently an incessant background of a man or men chanting that phrase, which is unique to that demographic. Maybe I'm misreading but TildeATH posted:Among what communities? I think ha'Allah and insh'Allah and alhamdulillah and subhan'Allah and Nauzhubillah are far more common than Allahu Akbar among every Muslim community except guys with Tow Missiles and bowie knives. kind of make it sound like it's largely a non-entity outside of the "crazy murder man" demographic. A sports commentator dropping it makes it sound like it's not all that unusual to use outside of prayer. But again, maybe I'm misunderstanding and the point being made is that militants say it like they drink water. It would be pretty neat to find a linguistic map of some sort tracking the use.
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One of the more absurd products of the Syrian Civil War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUICeJXOoTE&t=150s
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Hey folks! We can all calm down. Turns out ISIS was made up by the news media! All those beheadings were staged! We can feel safe again.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvmYHOe3Vfg
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hey folks! We can all calm down. Turns out ISIS was made up by the news media! All those beheadings were staged! We can feel safe again.  I know it sucks to realize that there really are violent, evil people out there who will happily rape, slaughter, behead, or make slaves out of innocent civilians, but you have to learn to accept and deal with it. (Preferably with lots of coordinated airstrikes.  )On that note, some good news:   The reclamation of Kobani Canton in Rojava has begun!Look at what ISIL has done to me. I'd barely heard of the Kurds before this, and now I'm using Kurdish terminology for cities and provinces in Iraq and Syria, I support Kurdish independence/the creation of an independent Kurdistan, and I've even started to understand all the various three-letter Kurdish acronyms. fade5 fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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fade5 posted:and I've even started to understand all the various three-letter Kurdish acronyms. Literally impossible.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hey folks! We can all calm down. Turns out ISIS was made up by the news media! All those beheadings were staged! We can feel safe again. gently caress I don't get the amount of effort that goes into these hoaxes
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TildeATH posted:Literally impossible. You just got to apply yourself  Soon you'll be at the pro level and nod sagely when someone mentions TEV-DEM, ENKS or DBK.
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:gently caress I don't get the amount of effort that goes into these hoaxes I guess we could go to the real Middle Eastern desert where we have military bases and stuff and fake our execution there. But meh... let's just green screen it. 
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Some Vids:- Palestinians in al aqsa mosque react with jeers when the imam decided to put in a prayer for king abdullah, although to be honest it's what the video is described as, it's not apparent from itself, so it's not 100% proven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEOc2Tda8Xc Left wing socialist activist woman is filmed getting killed by the Egyptian military during a protest (for all you idiots who think sisi is a bulwark of secularism):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQQ2g015DeA
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Al-Saqr posted:Left wing socialist activist woman is filmed getting killed by the Egyptian military during a protest (for all you idiots who think sisi is a bulwark of secularism):- I told them about the junta, bro. I warned them, dawg.  Wait, people in this thread are calling as-Sisi is a bulwark of anything other than the military regime, for the military regime, by the military regime?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Wait, people in this thread are calling as-Sisi is a bulwark of anything other than the military regime, for the military regime, by the military regime? Maybe idiots like MIGF or Cippalipus.
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So what bad poo poo was Abdullah personally responsible for? I'm not sure how much power and influence Saudi kings actually have, and I'm not too versed on the country's history and political system. Also, anyone got a primer on what's going down in Yemen, who's backing who, and so on?
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I'm friends with a large number of Copts. Apparently Sisi visiting that cathedral on Coptic Christmas Eve gained him support of the entire Coptic community, supposedly 8m people. However they describe the new regime as Mubarak 2.0, with new upgrades and far more aggressive. The police state has eclipsed any of the previous regimes. The only thing keeping the system functioning is the massive aid and investment from the Gulf, which is roughly 5-6 billion per annum, on top of the 1 billion they receive from the Americans. Obviously the police has restored order and cracked down heavily on criminals, which is the only redeeming thing about the regime.
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Infantry footage from the Battle of Darra in Syria  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZ_D_qpRv8
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Darth Walrus posted:So what bad poo poo was Abdullah personally responsible for? I'm not sure how much power and influence Saudi kings actually have, and I'm not too versed on the country's history and political system. Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, so you draw your own conclusions from that.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, so you draw your own conclusions from that. I've got a different perspective on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTVWXYctoY
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Cerebral Bore posted:Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, so you draw your own conclusions from that. Is it in practice, though? I doubt the new dementia patient is getting much say in governance, for instance.
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hypnorotic posted:I'm friends with a large number of Copts. Apparently Sisi visiting that cathedral on Coptic Christmas Eve gained him support of the entire Coptic community, supposedly 8m people. However they describe the new regime as Mubarak 2.0, with new upgrades and far more aggressive. The police state has eclipsed any of the previous regimes. The only thing keeping the system functioning is the massive aid and investment from the Gulf, which is roughly 5-6 billion per annum, on top of the 1 billion they receive from the Americans. Obviously the police has restored order and cracked down heavily on criminals, which is the only redeeming thing about the regime. I am too and they LOVE Sisi, to the point where otherwise normal people think there was an American conspiracy to protect Morsi.
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Darth Walrus posted:Is it in practice, though? I doubt the new dementia patient is getting much say in governance, for instance. Seriously, stories where the Grand Vizier is the one really calling the shots, with the formal ruler well into his dotage, were made for this kind of situation.
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Darth Walrus posted:Is it in practice, though? I doubt the new dementia patient is getting much say in governance, for instance. Probably not, but a non-demented dude like Abdullah might have had a say or two. Absurd Alhazred posted:I've got a different perspective on that: Yeah, the autocrats really have let themselves go.
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Fintilgin posted:I guess we could go to the real Middle Eastern desert where we have military bases and stuff and fake our execution there. But meh... let's just green screen it. While I won't say the CIA or some other intelligence service is behind it or the whole executions are faked, I wouldn't doubt ISIS would green screen their executions, given how sophisticated some of these groups are with their propaganda and how "unreal" the settings already look to prevent geolocation. They already learned that we can start placing locations based off of rock formations in bin Laden videos. It wouldn't surprise me if they had a matte green-painted room somewhere and run some stock desert footage before decapitating a hostage.
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Cat Mattress posted:Maybe idiots like MIGF or Cippalipus. Except that I'm always right, and you lot have a bunch of bad, unrealistic opinions. Some time ago people here thought that the Syrian opposition was winning and ready to install a secular democracy, while it was clear to anyone who hasn't his head up his rear end (ie not you or other people in this thread) that the Syrian opposition is a collection of murderous Sunni war bands. Sisi spoke against Islam and that's why Al Saqr, owner of bad opinions, is against him. You are just a random idiot whose opinion mirrors the opinion of the thread and therefore you're completely forgettable.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Seriously, stories where the Grand Vizier is the one really calling the shots, with the formal ruler well into his dotage, were made for this kind of situation. Funny thing about the Saudis is that "who is the grand vizier" is not a trivial question to awnser. Things could go really interesting if its the spook guy Bandar, as this would set the stage for interesting stuff in Russia. As far as the Saga goes, that Bandar did a "nice olympics you got in Sochi, shame if something would happen to them! Now, if you ditch Assad we could protect them!" to Putin. Putin was seething with rage, and in a" totally unconnected" event some very "polite", organized persons robbed a Saudi princes car, in Paris, in broad daylight. As an added insult they didnt kill anyone. If Bandar gets more power, he will propably go and try to get back at Putin for this. If this looks like a Crusader Kings 2 event chain for feuding feudal families, that is because it kind of is.
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