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ElGroucho posted:I still don't see why we let the Marine Corps make any decision beyond how many varieties of the clap to get from shore leave hookers Didn't they also have a hissy fit when the Army wanted to wear the same camo pattern? Something about both showing up to a war wearing the same thing OMG HOW EMBARASSING!
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proof of concept posted:I mean the "official," "combat-role" justification they are hiding an adolescent desire for planes with a neat gadget behind
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Jemmy Ducks posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD-J1KksHUQ I love how he says, "It has the full capability, internal weapons, stealth characteristics. . . ", while this image is on the screen, showing a configuration that is strictly speaking, neither of those things. 
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zedprime posted:forward positioned primitive airfields. 
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BigBoss posted:Didn't they also have a hissy fit when the Army wanted to wear the same camo pattern? Something about both showing up to a war wearing the same thing OMG HOW EMBARASSING! In their defense, if it wasn't for their pretty dress blues, recruitment for them would drop 75%
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Jan 26, 2015 23:55
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Electrical Engineers are garbage Just like the F-35
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Jan 26, 2015 23:57
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i'm going to take off vertically but first, let me take a selfie
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Jan 26, 2015 23:59
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im probably retarded but whats the reason for planes being better for ground support than helicopters? just that they can get there faster?
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FirstPersonShitter posted:im probably retarded but whats the reason for planes being better for ground support than helicopters? just that they can get there faster? Faster, and also importantly, at a much higher attitude. It's technically possible for some helicopters to fly at 30,000 feet but extremely impractical compared to fixed wing, most helicopters aren't even pressurized
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Jan 27, 2015 00:27
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FirstPersonShitter posted:im probably retarded but whats the reason for planes being better for ground support than helicopters? just that they can get there faster? because of this rear end in a top hat 
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Jan 27, 2015 00:32
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FirstPersonShitter posted:im probably retarded but whats the reason for planes being better for ground support than helicopters? just that they can get there faster? helicopters are poo poo also all the stuff above
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Jan 27, 2015 00:36
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FirstPersonShitter posted:im probably retarded but whats the reason for planes being better for ground support than helicopters? just that they can get there faster? According to some ex-airforce guys I was in a grad school class with the nose gun on the A10 has such massive kickback that if the pilot isn't in a dive when it's fired the kickback will slow the plane down too much and it will crash. Correct me if I'm wrong but if that's the case then helicopters probably aren't able to handle a gun with enough oomph to demolish tanks like the A10 can
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proof of concept posted:According to some ex-airforce guys I was in a grad school class with the nose gun on the A10 has such massive kickback that if the pilot isn't in a dive when it's fired the kickback will slow the plane down too much and it will crash. Correct me if I'm wrong but if that's the case then helicopters probably aren't able to handle a gun with enough oomph to demolish tanks like the A10 can That's what hellfire missiles are for. The gau-12 is overrated in all ways but its terrifying sound and the f-35 isn't bad just because it doesn't have a massive machine gun attached to it. It's bad because it costs 1.5 trillion and completely blows
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Jan 27, 2015 00:47
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ethanol posted:That's what hellfire missiles are for. The gau-12 is overrated in all ways but its terrifying sound and the f-35 isn't bad just because it doesn't have a massive machine gun attached to it. It's bad because it costs 1.5 trillion and completely blows Not really the Gau-12 is basically a really effective weapon for danger close situations since it's fairly accurate and has less blast radius than a 500 pound bomb. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/a-10s-saved-the-day-in-botched-afghanistan-raid-b78367f4fd0e
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etalian posted:Not really the Gau-12 is basically a really effective weapon for danger close situations since it's fairly accurate and has less blast radius than a 500 pound bomb.
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proof of concept posted:According to some ex-airforce guys I was in a grad school class with the nose gun on the A10 has such massive kickback that if the pilot isn't in a dive when it's fired the kickback will slow the plane down too much and it will crash. Correct me if I'm wrong but if that's the case then helicopters probably aren't able to handle a gun with enough oomph to demolish tanks like the A10 can It's about equal to one of the engines, but a full load is only 15 seconds of fire, and you're never going to hold the trigger down for 15 seconds, so it's not going to cause the A-10 to fall out of the sky or anything.
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Jan 27, 2015 01:30
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Yeah, exactly what place is "forward"? Are we invading Mars? There's no place on earth that can't be serviced by a major air base (provided you use a good plane and not an F-35).
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etalian posted:Not really the Gau-12 is basically a really effective weapon for danger close situations since it's fairly accurate and has less blast radius than a 500 pound bomb. Ok remember a video of an a10 sawing People on the battle field in half. Post that bc it was cool as poo poo
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Jan 27, 2015 02:15
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I too enjoy seeing senseless death and the mutilation of my fellow humans 
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thathonkey posted:I too enjoy seeing senseless death and the mutilation of my fellow humans Me too! Oh wait, your in the wrong thread . Kitty thrad is in PI.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:56
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Also, fixed wing aircraft can carry a whole lot more ordinance than a helicopter. Safer, faster, more beatdown.
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Jemmy Ducks posted:Also, fixed wing aircraft can carry a whole lot more ordinance than a helicopter. Safer, faster, more beatdown. They also complement each other nicely, SAMs which use big missiles with long range radar chew up fixed wing aircraft when used properly, but on the flip side have a harder time with low flying attack helicopters. Fixed wing aircraft don't have to worry about MANPADs/flak but on the flip side have a big shoot me sign against larger SAM missiles.
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ElGroucho posted:In their defense, if it wasn't for their pretty dress blues, recruitment for them would drop 75% The Marine corps dress uniform literally looks like a retard was given a bin of random uniforms from all over the world, and then picked individual pieces at random and put them on. (This is somewhat true since Marines are literal retards)
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Prettz posted:It was also poo poo compared to the Apache. Because it was supposed to replace the Kiowa as a scout. It'd designate targets and generally be the hunter to the Apache's killer.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Prettz posted:Yeah, exactly what place is "forward"? Are we invading Mars? There's no place on earth that can't be serviced by a major air base (provided you use a good plane and not an F-35).  For as maligned as that plot point is, there are suspiciously few screen caps and no youtubes of the best harrier documentary of the 90s.
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zedprime posted:We need every option for when the psychlos take over the harrier being a effective warplane was the best science fiction part of the movie.
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is the eurofighter a good plane? they had it on top gear once, it raced a car
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Marines really seem to hate runways Did their fashion model girlfriend run around with jody?
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FirstPersonShitter posted:is the eurofighter a good plane? they had it on top gear once, it raced a car It's at least a decent airframe but had many similar trainwrecks to the F-35 program such as exploding costs/requirement creep.
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zedprime posted:We need every option for when the psychlos take over "piece of cake"
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I was behind a truck earlier with veteran plates of "f117a" Was that a cool dude or did his plane suck? Also after many hours of playing DCS Warthog I feel like I could be more effective in combat with that plane than an actual pilot could with a F-35.
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cheesetriangles posted:I was behind a truck earlier with veteran plates of "f117a" Best A-10 story is the time it got a helicopter kill using the 30mm gun.
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And they're not sure what type of helicopter it was because it was in too many pieces to ID.
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Shadeoses posted:And they're not sure what type of helicopter it was because it was in too many pieces to ID. http://articles.latimes.com/1991-02-08/news/mn-937_1_air-combat
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Otisburg posted:Marines really seem to hate runways well you see in an era before aerial refueling and a global network of american military bases in all regions of the earth, there was a little island called guadalcanal...
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BigBoss posted:Didn't they also have a hissy fit when the Army wanted to wear the same camo pattern? Something about both showing up to a war wearing the same thing OMG HOW EMBARASSING! Not like they're on the same team or anything. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/why-is-the-marine-corps-fighting-with-the-navy-over-a-camouflage-pattern/267232/ quote:The Marine Corps has remained loyal to the effective MARPAT, and rightfully so. But when the Navy decided to migrate to a digital pattern three years ago, it chose a desert scheme a few shades too close to that of the Marines, and the Corps balked. The Navy has since restricted its digital desert pattern to Special Warfare units. (The Marine Corps has also warned the Army against infringing on its design.) Also, holy Jesus there are some veterans of the Falklands war that could tell you how bad an idea this is: quote:To make matters worse, the new Navy Working Uniform has been found to be highly flammable, and "will burn robustly" if exposed to fire. In fact, it turns into a "sticky molten material." Not like battle damage will cause fires.
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I remember a time when the USA made actually good planes.  Like one day someone woke up and thought 'I want to make a plane whose main defense is to just be so stupidly pant shittingly god drat fast that it can outrun anything fired at it.' Then did just that. Anyone who's interested in this plane should read this book: http://mirror.xwl.me/Sled%20Driver.pdf. It's out of print now and impossible to buy but it's really good.
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WD40 posted:I remember a time when the USA made actually good planes. lol this was launched in 1966 and looks like its from 2066
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Ivor Biggun posted:Not like they're on the same team or anything. 
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