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If they wanted to stick close to the comics they would have been building up some romantic tension between Gordon and Sarah Essen.
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Madkal posted:If they wanted to stick close to the comics they would have been building up some romantic tension between Gordon and Sarah Essen. THis is like a really weird elseworlds series, so I'm okay with them just doing whatever the gently caress they're doing so long as it's not lovely - they've been toeing the line and skipping across up until the last few episodes. It feels like they've kinda been finding their tone. Also, Doc Thompson is smoking hot. Gotham shouldn't have people that pretty in it unless they have a superhero outfit.
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Jan 27, 2015 01:59
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I said the same thing earlier in the series. I've read enough comics to be down with the elseworld Gotham.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:11
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The whole "torture" stuff didn't last very long for how much they hyped it up with commercials.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:17
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Interestingly enough Det Flass was Gordon's crooked partner in Batman Begins.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:29
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This better end with Nigma getting revenge against those assholes.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:35
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This episode is pretty graphic.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:38
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I hope they never kill Mama Penguin. 
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Jan 27, 2015 02:50
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This was a good buildup episode after everything that went down last week. But drat, a two hour special event episode next week? I'm really curious now.
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Jan 27, 2015 03:12
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You can't accuse another cop of murder this entire department will turn against you! "Ummmm you pricks were all accusing ME of murder a week ago so gently caress off."
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Jan 27, 2015 05:05
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muscles like this? posted:Interestingly enough Det Flass was Gordon's crooked partner in Batman Begins. Year One also.
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Jan 27, 2015 05:31
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muscles like this? posted:Interestingly enough Det Flass was Gordon's crooked partner in Batman Begins. flass is in batman year one as well. He goes to gordans house with a few of his friends to gently caress with his family. Gordon beats the gently caress outta them if i remember right.
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Jan 27, 2015 05:31
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"Shall I get the broom then, or would you rather continue crying over the shattered fragments of your young dreams?"
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Jan 27, 2015 05:54
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My brain spew for this episode: That sure is one Canadian style torture specialist, eh? Butch: Escape Artist. But I can accept that suspension of disbelief from a show that previously gave Balloon Man and the nun chain gang. It's probably worth noting that I can't care about the police plot this week, compared to the mob plot. Probably because this episode was sold to us as Fish finally getting some comeuppance. Also, GOD MAKE THE RIDDLER PLOT STOP. Except I'm kind of okay if Riddler gets a Harley analogue in the absence of Joker. Wow, the music at Penguin's dance party is hilariously bad. It's like the drunk version of a Disney soundtrack. I like how the interruption came just as soon as the club was about to finally get a name. And that Fish's interruption speech basically reestablished it as "Fish's Place" again. Batman has no social skills. I thought you were crazy prepared, man. You'd think Alfred would have clued him in that this strong sell was a bad idea before it cost him twenty bucks. It's so stupid, but I love that Zsasz's assistant hitmen are all women who escaped from a fashion show. Butch!! NOOOOO 
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Jan 27, 2015 06:27
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Boy I hope none of that corrupt cop poo poo was important because I zoned out during about 90% of it. I think I was thinking about how sad I'll be when Carol Kane's character dies.
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Jan 27, 2015 08:23
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Penguin pulled a fast one and framed your man, or at least forced a witness confession. Maybe as a thank you to Jim.
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Jan 27, 2015 10:00
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Yeah I gotta agree on the cop stuff, because it's basically nothing special. GCPD is corrupt and Gordon isn't, so he's going to fight corruption. Harvey and Sarah think he's crazy for trying to fight the system and tell him to stop, but he doesn't. Commence big speech and spectacle in front of everyone and they all rally behind him at the last moment because they believe in him. Rinse and repeat next week. The cop plots need to be more interesting than that when we're half-way into the first season at this point. The mob stuff, on the other hand, took a huge sharp turn with Falcone killing Liza and officially dispatching of Fish. The one interesting part was going to Penguin for help, which marks the first time he's gone to get help from gangsters on his own initiative and not because Harvey dragged him along. The ending with the scummy cop begging for nothing bad to happen to his family and the silent reaction were interesting, but it's not a good thing that the high point of the plot was the ending. Also suicide with a backstab wound? There's being scummy and then there's not even trying.
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Jan 27, 2015 10:13
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Gordon going to Penguin for help was great, including that scene at the end with the Detective begging him not to kill his family, because as I've said many times before the show kind of HAS TO have Gordon constantly fail to make any lasting difference/impact, otherwise Batman being accepted/desperately needed years down the track wouldn't really work if you've got a clean department headed up by a paragon of virtue who has triumphed over corruption already. Gordon's got to keep running into these situations, where the only thing that seems to successfully combat the corruption inherent in the system is with DIFFERENT corruption, and he knows that this is wrong and just replacing one hosed up thing with another (which to be fair, is what Batman is too).
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Jan 27, 2015 12:20
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:I hope they never kill Mama Penguin. When Oswald's mother said her goodbyes to him I was pretty certain that the next thing we would see would be Mrs Kapelput going kaput.
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Dave Syndrome posted:When Oswald's mother said her goodbyes to him I was pretty certain that the next thing we would see would be Mrs Kapelput going kaput. Yeah, I thought "oh hey, they sure are showing Mama Penguin a lot, guess she's going to die." I was pretty surprised when that wasn't the case. Craptacular! posted:Also, GOD MAKE THE RIDDLER PLOT STOP. Except I'm kind of okay if Riddler gets a Harley analogue in the absence of Joker. I don't know, the Riddler stuff is starting to grow on me, but only if we get they payoff of seeing him snap and killing somebody for not answering one of his dorky riddles. I mean, Nygma certainly comes across as a guy that might go off the deep end one day, so mission accomplished for the show?
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Jan 27, 2015 15:11
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pengun101 posted:flass is in batman year one as well. He goes to gordans house with a few of his friends to gently caress with his family. Gordon beats the gently caress outta them if i remember right. Kind of. Flass and his men jump Gordon in a parking lot and beat the poo poo out of him to send a message. Gordon didn't take too kindly at it so one day he followed Flass around and told him to fight. He even gave Flass a baseball bats to make it fair. 
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Jan 27, 2015 18:29
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imperialparadox posted:I don't know, the Riddler stuff is starting to grow on me, but only if we get they payoff of seeing him snap and killing somebody for not answering one of his dorky riddles. I mean, Nygma certainly comes across as a guy that might go off the deep end one day, so mission accomplished for the show? Is the lady he is pining over a character in the comics? I do not like her character one bit, but if she is the cause of him snapping then cool
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Jan 27, 2015 18:39
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I love that he's wearing a high school jacket in that comic because as we all know JOCKS ARE EVIL!!!
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Jan 27, 2015 18:40
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imperialparadox posted:I don't know, the Riddler stuff is starting to grow on me, but only if we get they payoff of seeing him snap and killing somebody for not answering one of his dorky riddles. I mean, Nygma certainly comes across as a guy that might go off the deep end one day, so mission accomplished for the show? Riddler is one of my favorite Batman villains (particularly the animated version). But I'll admit it's difficult to get the character's quirks across without making him seem... Well, gay. Jim Carrey didn't help that any. The current Gotham character was probably best described on the first episode by somebody as "Sheldon Cooper, CSI." Not that this quasi-gay business is apparently any problem for Gotham, however, the whole social context argument was why executives wanted to give the Animated Joker a female cohort. Since we're not going to get a Joker origin while the Bat is in diapers, I'm fine with an all new take on the accomplice woman who loves the crazy ones. A Riddless(?) is one of the few ways you could reinvent that, since Nygma is also plenty unhinged.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:Is the lady he is pining over a character in the comics? I do not like her character one bit, but if she is the cause of him snapping then cool I don't think so, but I'm not the best guy to ask about comic-book stuff.  She seems like she isn't really interested in Nygma, but she also doesn't want to hurt his feelings, so she comes across as less then direct with her reponses to Nygma. Nygma of course, seems to take this as her giving out signals that she is interested in him. I could totally see the conflict between Edward's fantasy and reality causing him to snap, though in the meantime it's interesting to watch him get disturbingly (more) creepy as he obsesses over her. No idea what Gotham will actually do with the situation though, it will probably be something more dumb than what most people would come up with.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:16
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Eddie's origin story isn't a very defined one, in classical terms, but it typically doesn't involve being scorned by a woman that makes him snap. It usually has to do with whoever his boss is telling him he's a nobody, along with being emotionally abused as a child by his father. However, this depiction of him reminds me a lot of the Riddler story from Joker's Asylum - only spun into an origin story. The Riddler story is about Eddie becoming obsessed with this woman who loathes him and doesn't disguise her hatred in any way. He begins to stalk her, trying to win her over and is too blinded to see she wants nothing to do with him because of his own ego. In his mind he can't figure out the 'riddle' as to why she doesn't love him despite all he's doing. The story is pretty long so I won't go into all details, but eventually it boils down to him threatening her father if she doesn't go out with him. She agrees and she tells him what he wants to hear, but once he has her he realizes he isn't satisfied with the riddle being solved. He kills her father and stops stalking her in a fit of rage afterward and the story ends there. Whether or not it'll be like that is to be seen, but it sounds like they're gunning for Riddler to be a villain before Batman is around.
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lotus circle posted:Whether or not it'll be like that is to be seen, but it sounds like they're gunning for Riddler to be a villain before Batman is around. It's just some weird multiverse non-continuity. I accept them doing whatever at this point, because it's not like this show is going to "catch up" to middle-aged Gordon and 20-something Batman. They might as well go balls out with it. Mostly, what's weird to me about this approach to Riddler is that he's a supervillain version of Elliot Rodger. They're building him up as this jilted outsider Nice Guy who, one day, is going to snap and get "revenge" on everyone who belittled him.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:37
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What they're doing with Nigma seems not too far off from the origin of Mad Hatter in the Animated Series. I mean it's a pretty cliche plot line but for all we know this could still be a slow burn and could be something that continues on for a while. Nigma is good at what he does and while some officers think he's a loser he still has friends. Heck Harvey probably doesn't hate Nigma or think he's worthless but Harvey's been around Nigma for a lot longer than Jim so he's probably just tired of Eddie's schtick more than anything. Obviously the direction for Gotham is not very subtle BUT it's cool that they are not trying to make these established villains become villains immediately and are taking their time. What was that thing people talked about at the beginning of the season where there would be a Joker reference in each episode or something? Anyone keeping track of that?
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I'm actually liking the Bruce parts of Gotham. Right now he's just confused as hell and the only person capable of proving who killed his parents lives in an entirely different world and won't help. He's on the path to learning how incredibly stratified the world is and that he'll have to change his mindset. I'd like for them to just pop in from time to time to show his development from isolated rich boy to genius detective. The corruption angle where Gordon keeps busting dirty cops just isn't working for me. I like how Gordon realizes that he's essentially in bed with Penguin, and Penguin will do heinous poo poo at the drop of a hat but the entire point of the Batman series is that Gotham is still hilariously corrupt when Batman appears to right the wrongs.
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pentyne posted:I'm actually liking the Bruce parts of Gotham. Right now he's just confused as hell and the only person capable of proving who killed his parents lives in an entirely different world and won't help. He's on the path to learning how incredibly stratified the world is and that he'll have to change his mindset. I'd like for them to just pop in from time to time to show his development from isolated rich boy to genius detective. They should have introduced Flass in Ep 1, because last night's arrest had no emotional weight behind it. And you can do Riddler before Batman, easily. Riddler's the guy who gives out clues to the crimes he's going to commit, daring the police to catch him. You can see this one going the route of wanting to prove himself to his superiors by doing little things at first, anonymously, leaving only subtle clues behind that they totally miss, then find himself growing bolder and bolder with his riddles until he totally crosses over into crime. And the little romance between Bruce and Selina in this show is the only time I've every enjoyed the Batman/Catwoman pairing.
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Jan 27, 2015 23:55
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The one characteristic I have loved about comic Riddler is that he is a guy with a huge ego that thinks he is smarter than everyone else. While I don't mind the Riddler portrayal in Gotham I kind of wish they gave him a bit more confidence.
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Davros1 posted:They should have introduced Flass in Ep 1, because last night's arrest had no emotional weight behind it. Flass has been around for quite a few episodes, its just that they haven't really focused on him that much, other than in the Nygma side plot.
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Jan 28, 2015 01:24
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I couldn't help but laugh when Fish brought a bat of all things to kill the Penguin with.
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Jan 28, 2015 01:50
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Krad posted:I couldn't help but laugh when Fish brought a bat of all things to kill the Penguin with. I was expecting Penguin the get the upper hand and beat her with an umbrella right after the "You're just an umbrella man!" line.
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Jan 28, 2015 02:00
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Krad posted:I couldn't help but laugh when Fish brought a bat of all things to kill the Penguin with. I think it was more a call back to the earlier episode(s) where Penguin uses a bat to beat a guy up and then later Fish uses it to give Penguin his 'waddle'.
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Jan 28, 2015 16:12
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Man is it bad I am really liking this version of Zzasz?
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Jan 29, 2015 13:02
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No, he's probably the only character that looks like he should be in a comic book. He's pretty bad rear end.
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Jan 29, 2015 14:27
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man is it bad I am really liking this version of Zzasz? He's awesome. I'm glad they're keeping him around and giving Anthony Carrigan more to do than he had in the Flash.
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Madkal posted:The one characteristic I have loved about comic Riddler is that he is a guy with a huge ego that thinks he is smarter than everyone else. While I don't mind the Riddler portrayal in Gotham I kind of wish they gave him a bit more confidence. Nothing says that he might not start gaining more confidence if he starts descending into a riddles and crime spree, if no one can ever figure the riddles out and catch him (until Batman).
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I don't know, this version of Riddler gives me the impression that he'll start a crime spree and leave riddles behind to draw Batman's attention to him to be best buds with him. I prefer not-Neil Patrick Harris' version of him from the Arkham games, an egotistical I'm-better-than-you megalomaniac with a tinge of Saw in him.
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