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Fiveace Attorney posted:I watched Wrestle Kingdom 9 which was of course incredible, and I remember seeing a few guys kick out at 1 on people's finishers (I think they were their finishers). What are some other examples of this happening in US wrestling? All I can think of is Brock kicking out of the AA at 1 and I seem to remember Hogan doing it (Undertaker? Earthquake? Someone). Eddie Kingston kicking out of Mike Quackenbush's finisher at High Noon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ITy514MRjo
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Grendels Dad posted:I think part of the question is where the "turn" comes in. I guess it's really just a coincidence owning to the awful English language having so many homonyms. Maybe for Jetfire the expected meaning for "turn" was "change of direction" instead of "X transforms into Y" (because he was primed from reading something about fashion) and that caused the confusion, because a heel changing direction to become a face is weird, though it still kind of works. Yeah, it's just weird seeing such a specific phrase as face and/or heel turn in a different context. In this case, it's literal, too! Part of me wonders whether the term came from the same or similar origins of theatrics and stage direction, or whether one morphed from the other way back in the mists of time. But I'm probably fussing about it way more than needed.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:I watched Wrestle Kingdom 9 which was of course incredible, and I remember seeing a few guys kick out at 1 on people's finishers (I think they were their finishers). What are some other examples of this happening in US wrestling? All I can think of is Brock kicking out of the AA at 1 and I seem to remember Hogan doing it (Undertaker? Earthquake? Someone).
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Austin no-sold Billy Gunn's Fameasser during the '01 Rumble, if I recall correctly. Not a kickout obviously but he just got almost straight back up and threw Gunn out. e: not a *complete* no sell but still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9skj0sm3Xgs&t=3595s jesus WEP fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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St Evan Echoes posted:Austin no-sold Billy Gunn's Fameasser during the '01 Rumble, if I recall correctly. Not a kickout obviously but he just got almost straight back up and threw Gunn out. Rocky selling that stunner like he was shot.
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natetimm posted:Rocky selling that stunner like he was shot. Austin mentioned on one of his podcasts that he was always excited to see what over-the-top sell Rock would do when he got stunnered.
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rumble question: what rumble do I watch after this travesty so that I don't go to bed being irrationally mad at fake punchsports?
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LvK posted:rumble question: what rumble do I watch after this travesty so that I don't go to bed being irrationally mad at fake punchsports? 2000 E: The whole card, not just the Rumble. It's the bestestest. projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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False alarm I'm just gonna watch Lucha Underground
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LvK posted:False alarm I'm just gonna watch Lucha Underground That or ROH TV are better ways to restore your faith in prograpples.
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LvK posted:False alarm I'm just gonna watch Lucha Underground Aztec Warfare would probably be an acceptable Rumble-ternative, from what I gather.
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Gaz-L posted:Aztec Warfare would probably be an acceptable Rumble-ternative, from what I gather. I loved Aztec Warfare because it was the Firepro-style Battle Royal (pinfall, KO or submission) rather than over the top. It helped that it was exceedingly well booked.
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Okay, just so we're clear. It is impossible for Vince to be forced out of his position because he has arranged it that he always has a majority of stock, correct? The board of directors and Triple H and stuff cannot unite their shares and force him out, and since Vince is never going to retire, he's going to be in charge of WWE until he dies. There is absolutely no way for him to be fired. Correct? That's the situation?
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Cornwind Evil posted:Okay, just so we're clear. Basically
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Cornwind Evil posted:Okay, just so we're clear. The McMahons (mainly Vince) have almost all the Class B stock which is weighted 10x the amount of the Class A stock available on the marketplace. I don't know if he's at 51% or not, but when it's been brought up in the past, Dave Meltzer/Bryan Alvarez shot down that idea immediately because he has so many shares.
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:The McMahons (mainly Vince) have almost all the Class B stock which is weighted 10x the amount of the Class A stock available on the marketplace. I don't know if he's at 51% or not, but when it's been brought up in the past, Dave Meltzer/Bryan Alvarez shot down that idea immediately because he has so many shares. The only way Vince is leaving is if he A) dies or B) gets hit with anti-trust or some other lawsuit
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The last time he was in danger of losing the company was during the steroid trials, and he went so far as to start delegating his work out and grooming others to take over.
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That and someone/s would have to have Vince declared mentally incapable of doing his job and fuckin' lollolololololololloolololool have fun with that plan!
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Also you'd need to wrest control from the family because nobody in it has any idea what they're doing either
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:The McMahons (mainly Vince) have almost all the Class B stock which is weighted 10x the amount of the Class A stock available on the marketplace. I don't know if he's at 51% or not, but when it's been brought up in the past, Dave Meltzer/Bryan Alvarez shot down that idea immediately because he has so many shares. I think he controls over 70% of the stock.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The last time he was in danger of losing the company was during the steroid trials, and he went so far as to start delegating his work out and grooming others to take over. He literally called up Jerry Jarrett and offered him the book while he was in jail in case he went down in the steroid trials. I couldn't think of him doing anything like that these days without dropping dead.
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Will Disco Inferno ever beat the poo poo out of Fandango like everyone wants?
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Fandango is like 10x the wrestler that Disco Inferno is.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Fandango is like 10x the wrestler that Disco Inferno is. Not only that, a better talker. Plus, he's a not a toady for Vince Russo. Jesus Disco, of all the people to hitch yer wagon to.....
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Fandango has the greatest flying legdrop ever and it's going to land him in a hospital for rear end replacement surgery.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Fandango is like 10x the wrestler that Disco Inferno is. Yes but I love one of them and hate the other
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"Dirtbag" Johnny Curtis is the reason I can never hate Fandango. I still see bits of that character when he promos, because Fandango's portrayed as a creepy weirdo who also happens to be a dancer.
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why is the inverted atomic drop not a dq for bustin' balls
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NickRoweFillea posted:why is the inverted atomic drop not a dq for bustin' balls groin strike not a ball strike
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NickRoweFillea posted:why is the inverted atomic drop not a dq for bustin' balls the same reason you can't hit someone with an object, but you can hit an object with someone
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Luigi Thirty posted:groin strike not a ball strike ah.
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NickRoweFillea posted:why is the inverted atomic drop not a dq for bustin' balls It amazes me that the original atomic drop not only didn't involve falling on the knee, but was considered a finisher. Yes, the idea of picking someone up and slamming them down on their feet as hard as possible was considered a finisher, under the basis of it induced jellylegs and hence people could be held down for a pin. In the era of Murder Backdrops and Tiger Driver 91's (and worse).....astonishing.
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If that amazes you, well, a simple elbow drop, knee drop, head butt, elbow strike, dropkick, kneelift--all of these were somebody's finisher at one time.
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I'm watching Rise and Fall of ECW right now and they mentioned ECW having the first triple threat match, in 1994. That can't be true, is it? The 70s, 80s, and 90-94, and no one thought of 3 dudes wrestling? Or is Heyman "adjusting" the truth again?
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Saints Crow posted:I'm watching Rise and Fall of ECW right now and they mentioned ECW having the first triple threat match, in 1994. That can't be true, is it? The 70s, 80s, and 90-94, and no one thought of 3 dudes wrestling? Or is Heyman "adjusting" the truth again? Smoky Mountain Wrestling did one a year or two earlier. There may have been earlier triple threats but I'm not really aware of them. It's weird because ladder matches date back to the 70s and scaffold matches date back to the 60s. It seems like you'd be able to find a concrete example of "three dudes" before "let's wrestle on a scaffold."
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ECW at the very least popularized the "three way dance" match, which is just a fancy way to say triple threat elimination.
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It is something that seems obvious. I think there had even been triple tag team matches. I do love Heyman claiming Sandman pretending to be blinded and staying in his house and not answering his own door was "further than anyone had gone for living the storyline" in a world where The Sheik threw fireballs at fans who recognize d him on the street. And Bubba claiming he and Devon invented flaming tables.
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Cornwind Evil posted:It amazes me that the original atomic drop not only didn't involve falling on the knee, but was considered a finisher. Yes, the idea of picking someone up and slamming them down on their feet as hard as possible was considered a finisher, under the basis of it induced jellylegs and hence people could be held down for a pin. I'm pretty sure you drop them butt first on your knee, thus shattering their spine
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