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Pornographic Memory posted:well you see in an era before aerial refueling and a global network of american military bases in all regions of the earth, there was a little island called guadalcanal... hmmm this must have been a crushing defeat for the marines to be so deeply imbedded in their institutional psyche.  lol
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Otisburg posted:hmmm this must have been a crushing defeat for the marines to be so deeply imbedded in their institutional psyche. no but you see they got to fly a couple of planes so that means the marines get their own air force forever
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Raskolnikov38 posted:no but you see they got to fly a couple of planes so that means the marines get their own air force forever if the us lasts another 200 years maybe every branch will be its own military with the army eventually demanding destroyers because they have patrol boats and zodiaks and then carriers because they have destroyers and the air force demanding that its security forces get to be more and more its own army and then each of those sub branches will start to do the same thing and we'll eventually have like fractally branching branches of our military
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Jan 27, 2015 05:19
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WD40 posted:I remember a time when the USA made actually good planes. Aren't the liquid streaks on the wings fuel? Like the SR-71 leaked like a sieve to the point where you had to have tarps/buckets underneath when not in the air or under certain speeds?
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Jan 27, 2015 05:21
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guadalcanal fun fact: 100% of the marines bitching about the battle can be traced back to Australian stevedores not knowing how to load a military cargo boat properly. the f-35 is part of the marines revenge for making them wait a week for some equipment
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MH Knights posted:Aren't the liquid streaks on the wings fuel? Like the SR-71 leaked like a sieve to the point where you had to have tarps/buckets underneath when not in the air or under certain speeds?
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I like the Cobra "Night Raven" variant that adds the little parasite craft on the back.
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TEAYCHES posted:lol this was launched in 1966 and looks like its from 2066 Wikipedia posted:If a surface-to-air missile launch was detected, the standard evasive action was simply to accelerate and outfly the missile. Such a sexy plane.
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MH Knights posted:Aren't the liquid streaks on the wings fuel? Like the SR-71 leaked like a sieve to the point where you had to have tarps/buckets underneath when not in the air or under certain speeds? I read about this in the book, it was designed to leak at rest. When it got to it's cruising speed it would heat up and the metal around all the leaks would expand perfectly to make it absolutely airtight. He describes it as looking like this living, sweating animal before it took off.
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it is a total loving deathtrap tho to be fair. its cool, fast, and like a third of them blew up
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TEAYCHES posted:lol this was launched in 1966 and looks like its from 2066 I love how pretty much everyone, including small children, can look at planes and instinctively know "this thing is fast and also cool as hell"
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Mange Mite posted:I love how pretty much everyone, including small children, can look at planes and instinctively know "this thing is fast and also cool as hell" meanwhile looking at an f-35 makes babies cry and dogs get their hackles up and start growling
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Jan 27, 2015 05:37
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What does Star Wars have to do with this?
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Otisburg posted:hmmm this must have been a crushing defeat for the marines to be so deeply imbedded in their institutional psyche. Christ it always blows my mind whenever I see the casualty lists for the Pacific theater. Only place you ever really see confirmed kills outstripping casualties. What's everyone's opinion on the MiG-25 Foxbat?
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Otisburg posted:hmmm this must have been a crushing defeat for the marines to be so deeply imbedded in their institutional psyche. the japs need to l2p or log off imo
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fun fact, it was actually called the RS-71 originally. LBJ accidentally called it the SR-71 in a statement and the government in its infinite wisdom spent thousands of dollars to redo all the technical documents to rename it SR-71 instead of admitting LBJ misspoke another fun fact, skunkworks couldn't find enough titanium to make their SR-71s so the CIA, through several dummy corps, purchased it through one of the then leading producers of titanium in the world -- the soviet union. so the ussr is partially to thank for helping us build the plane that we used to spy on them read Skunk Works if you want some cool stories about when Lockmart wasn't total poo poo
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Damo posted:fun fact, it was actually called the RS-71 originally. LBJ accidentally called it the SR-71 in a statement and the government in its infinite wisdom spent thousands of dollars to redo all the technical documents to rename it SR-71 instead of admitting LBJ misspoke "uh mister president i think it's actually 'rs' not 'sr.'" "is it now, son?" *pulls out comically large penis.* "you sure about that?" "right, i'll have the documents updated, mister president."
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It is interesting how all the pulpy bad milscifi novels have marines in them, and they are super badass and tough and the best and awesome. If there are any other armed forces like the space army they are usually shown up as being really bad at their jobs or just incompetent. I think the marines must have the best PR in the world.
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Phrosphor posted:It is interesting how all the pulpy bad milscifi novels have marines in them, and they are super badass and tough and the best and awesome. If there are any other armed forces like the space army they are usually shown up as being really bad at their jobs or just incompetent. They do man haven't you ever seen that commercial where the serviceman slays a dragon with just a sword? Join the marines, kill dragons. Works great on the intended (read: retarded) audience of gung-ho teenagers that they're trying to convince to fly thousands of miles from home to get shot at by/drop bombs on people that hate them for impersonal reasons such as what country they were born in and the fact that they chose to pick up an M-16 for that countryh and shoot at their children and family and friends  soldier
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Damo posted:fun fact, it was actually called the RS-71 originally. LBJ accidentally called it the SR-71 in a statement and the government in its infinite wisdom spent thousands of dollars to redo all the technical documents to rename it SR-71 instead of admitting LBJ misspoke SR-71 rolls off the tongue more smoothly than RS-71 though so clearly they realized his mistake showed them a better way. It's called flexibility amigo. 
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Phrosphor posted:It is interesting how all the pulpy bad milscifi novels have marines in them, and they are super badass and tough and the best and awesome. If there are any other armed forces like the space army they are usually shown up as being really bad at their jobs or just incompetent. On the commentary track for Aliens, Cameron actually apologizes for making them Marines and said as bitchmade as the space monsters make them act if he had it to do over again they would be Army.
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Phrosphor posted:I think the marines must have the best PR in the world. USMC: The Angus Beef of the US Military
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Otisburg posted:On the commentary track for Aliens, Cameron actually apologizes for making them Marines and said as bitchmade as the space monsters make them act if he had it to do over again they would be Army. Specifically he wanted them to be less trained/motivated, like the army. They are supposed to be vietnam draftees *in space*.
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Otisburg posted:hmmm this must have been a crushing defeat for the marines to be so deeply imbedded in their institutional psyche. You don't get, every Marine soldier was worth 100 japs. So it was really more like 700,000 losses for our brothers in the Core HOORAH SEMPA FI BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD
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Arcsquad12 posted:What's everyone's opinion on the MiG-25 Foxbat? It was kinda bad, the first time the americans got their hands on one thanks to a defector they found out that it was basically a warhammer orks idea of a super fast plane. It was pretty ghetto and going maximum speed basically ripped it to pieces so trying it was an almost guaranteed one way ticket. However unlike the F35 it could actually go really fast in the first place and set a bunch of speed and altitude records. az fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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The MiG-25 is an interesting plane. So Russia/USSR has two airforces, VVS, the frontline combat service and PVO which was for defence only airforce (also in charge of a lot of SAMs). Anyway with all the recon flights overhead, USA's big strategic jet bombers like B-52s and the XB-70 Valkyrie in the works, USSR wanted something able to intercept these threats. So they wanted a plane that could go really high and fast, carry big missiles and had a big radar. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford to build the new interceptor out of titanium, so they had to design it around solid, heavy, steel. So in the end they get their plane, it goes really high, really fast, has a big radar and big gently caress-off missiles. However because it's made of steel and is something hilarious like 20 tonnes empty, it turns like rear end and needs really big wings. Suddenly USA gets images of this new plane, it's got big wings and goes super fast. Assuming that its made out of normal aviation materials and not steel, they freak the gently caress out because it would be very fast and agile, and decide they need to make a new super fighter to counter this super fight. As a result we got the F-15. Now the F-15 comes along and Russia is all "oh god where the hell did this thing come from? We don't have a fighter anything like this, we're still rocking along with MiG-23s and stuff" and kick off the Su-27.
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Shanakin posted:The MiG-25 is an interesting plane. So Russia/USSR has two airforces, VVS, the frontline combat service and PVO which was for defence only airforce (also in charge of a lot of SAMs). Anyway with all the recon flights overhead, USA's big strategic jet bombers like B-52s and the XB-70 Valkyrie in the works, USSR wanted something able to intercept these threats. So they wanted a plane that could go really high and fast, carry big missiles and had a big radar. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford to build the new interceptor out of titanium, so they had to design it around solid, heavy, steel. And now we watch them carefully looking over each others shoulders comparing the PAK FA and the F-35.
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I don't know anything about PAK FA but there seem to be pictures of it in the air on Google soooo
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a-10 with more confirmed air-to-air kills than most air superiority fighters
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FirstPersonShitter posted:a-10 with more confirmed air-to-air kills than most air superiority fighters Do you really count a low flying helicopter as an air-to-air kill though? Fake edit: Not that it isn't cool or anything.
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Gridlocked posted:Do you really count a low flying helicopter as an air-to-air kill though? its not on the ground is it?
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FirstPersonShitter posted:its not on the ground is it? Fair enough.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:a-10 with more confirmed air-to-air kills than most air superiority fighters Which American air superiority fighters have yet to pick up a single air-to-air kill? I suppose anything brought in after 1991 because of the lack of targets.
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Didn't the F-22 raptor get scrapped for being too expensive? If that's the case, why are we still pouring money into the F-35?
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proof of concept posted:According to some ex-airforce guys I was in a grad school class with the nose gun on the A10 has such massive kickback that if the pilot isn't in a dive when it's fired the kickback will slow the plane down too much and it will crash. Correct me if I'm wrong but if that's the case then helicopters probably aren't able to handle a gun with enough oomph to demolish tanks like the A10 can That's bullshit on about the same level as "my rifle is anti-material only else it's a war crime so I just aim at their canteens" or however it goes, there's no detectable deceleration from firing the gun.
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Trollologist posted:Didn't the F-22 raptor get scrapped for being too expensive? If that's the case, why are we still pouring money into the F-35? the parts are coming from too many districts and we've tricked numerous countries into buying them
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Trollologist posted:Didn't the F-22 raptor get scrapped for being too expensive? If that's the case, why are we still pouring money into the F-35? Theoretically the F-35 is more versatile. The F-22 is the best at shooting down planes we will never fight. The F-35 though has some plane shooting capability that we will never use as well as the ability to drop bombs on mud huts, while being based on air fields or carriers so not mud hut is safe. Also what Monkey Fracas said.
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Trollologist posted:Didn't the F-22 raptor get scrapped for being too expensive? If that's the case, why are we still pouring money into the F-35? ironically isnt the f22 now cheaper than the f35?
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