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You know how PAS likes to joke about their luck with injuries? Well they should be thankful tonights game wasnt in Winnipeg because they probably would have all got e coli. No not Pavelec, the bacteria.
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Trevor Bird posted:
tbh i don't know much about lapierre, but this is a dumb, misleading chart. it's overwhelmingly visually suggestive that goc=good b/c he's way up in the top right and dark blue, and lapierre=bad b/c he's way down in the bottom left and dark red. but really, all it shows is that goc is a marginally better, yet still negative, possession player, which might be partially explained by favorable usage*. that said, i'm certainly not saying i'm in favor of this trade. goc seemed like a high quality 4th liner and valuable PKer, so i'm skeptical of the potential benefit of this trade. not the end of the world, but IMO the pens biggest need is bottom 6 depth, not bottom 6 agitation, and i don't immediately see how this will help with that *can someone explain the Y-axis to me, actually? what is TOI % of Competition? Is it the same as QoC TOI%?
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If Rogers ratings are down I would be fine with Elliot Friedman just sitting in a chair reading his 30 thoughts articles on air. If they want to keep Kypreos on the air they can, but he can only punch himself in the face. There I fixed the ratings Rogers.
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Misanthrope posted:If Rogers ratings are down I would be fine with Elliot Friedman just sitting in a chair reading his 30 thoughts articles on air. Do you prefer cash or a blank cheque?
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Trevor Bird posted:mike ribeiro had another 3 point night and a great assist on the winner in OT. that guy does something cool every night. went around 2 guys and then tried to win it by going between his own legs for the shot right before that. i hope he never leaves. Eventually he'll run out of cocaine, then you'll wish he'd leave.
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:tbh i don't know much about lapierre, but this is a dumb, misleading chart. it's overwhelmingly visually suggestive that goc=good b/c he's way up in the top right and dark blue, and lapierre=bad b/c he's way down in the bottom left and dark red. but really, all it shows is that goc is a marginally better, yet still negative, possession player, which might be partially explained by favorable usage*. Honestly to me the strangest part of this trade is Goc not being healthy-scratched for the game. How often do you see players play a game and then get traded immediately afterwards? (not counting Mike Cammallari literally being pulled off the bench in the middle of a period to be traded lmfao e: for rene bork too i literally can't stop laughing thinking about how loving absurd that was) Look Around You fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Uuugghhhhhhhh. The Isles totally have the Rangers' number this season and it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucckkkssssss. Also, wondering what will it take for AV to bury Glass into the bottom of the ocean? Dude is a complete waste of space and it boggles the mind that Stempniak was scratched.
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Trevor Bird posted:
I really struggle to parse graphs like this and would appreciate it if anybody had any fancystats beginners guides on how to read them. And I'm pissed we got rid of Goc, he was pretty great. In other more annoying news, I forgot to reactive Hornqvist from IR in my fantasy league 
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thehustler posted:I really struggle to parse graphs like this and would appreciate it if anybody had any fancystats beginners guides on how to read them. x axis is zone starts - a measure of where players are starting on non-neutral zone faceoffs, under the assumption more dzone starts = tougher minutes. eyeballing that graph, if those players would have 20 non-neutral zone starts in a game, lapierre would be ~6-7 ozone ~13-14 dzone and goc ~8-9 ozone and ~11-12 dzone y-axis is a measure of how tough of opponents they ate playing, based on ranking opposition players on time on ice. it assumes the teams best player plays the most minutes, down to their worst player playing the fewest minutes. lapierre here is playing against 4th liners, goc mostly 4th/some 3rd lines bubble size of the player is their time on ice - so both lapierre and goc are playing a similar about of toi bubble colour is player corsi, using the colours on the side of the graph. if you don't know what corsi is, in short its +/- for all shot attempts when a player is on the ice (shots on goal + missed and blocked shots). so in an at-a-glance comparison the graph tells us lapierre is playing relatively defensive minutes against the worst the opponents can offer and his team is getting killed in shot attempts during those minutes. goc is playing slightly easier starts against slightly tougher players and his team is close to holding their own in shot attempts fits fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 14:22
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The fun thing with the charts is you can't just say something like "Top left toughest minutes, bottom right easiest" because the direction of each axis is not consistent between sites. Blue almost universally means good. Just sometimes you need to see it in context. That 3rd pairing call-up in blue probably isn't a superstar defenseman, he just gets like 75% o-zone starts against the 4th line. The particular chart has a tiny scale to make the difference more pronounced though. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 14:36
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Aye, I knew corsi and fenwick, but not how things were laid out on that graph. Thanks though that was cool.
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I'm ready for Tom Wilson to be sent down to Hershey. He provides nothing offensively and while he can draw penalties, he takes some really bad penalties as well. If he's going to develop anything offensively it's going to be in the AHL, because Wilson hasn't shown anything that allows the coaching staff put him in a top 9 role on the Caps. Also Trotz needs to drop Orpik to the 3rd pairing now. He screened Holtby on a goal last night and was crushed in possession yet again. The infuriating thing is that while Trotz is willing to strip ice time away from guys like Chimera, Ward, Green, Wilson, Burakovsky, and Kuznetsov when they play poorly, he hasn't shown the same inclination to do so with Orpik. Just a bad game all around, but thankfully the Rangers and Panthers lost in regulation as well.
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Mind_Taker posted:I'm ready for Tom Wilson to be sent down to Hershey. He provides nothing offensively and while he can draw penalties, he takes some really bad penalties as well. If he's going to develop anything offensively it's going to be in the AHL, because Wilson hasn't shown anything that allows the coaching staff put him in a top 9 role on the Caps. I can't really knock Wilson not providing offense when he's skating under 10 minutes a night with Beagle and Chimera. But if all you need him for is a 4th line chugger, send him down and get Latta, O'Brien, Volpatti, or whoever in the lineup. I've gotta thing getting top six minutes in Hershey is better for his development. I didn't understand his usage under Oates and it's not much better now. Orpik's not going anywhere, sadly enough. At least putting him with Carlson covers up a lot of his shortcomings (although Carlson had some bonehead plays last night).
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just checking in to say after years of saying Brodeur would be exposed on any either team than the devils, watching him retire in shame and embarrassment is p cool
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ThinkTank posted:Canucks are bad and boring again. A That was an insanely bad game from them, as bad of a game as I've seen thwm play in a while
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I didn't know Connor Murphy was the son of Flyers assistant Gord Murphy. And dude scored the first goal against philly last night. Neat 
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Driving from Suffolk to the Coliseum was really fine. It was once I got that there that I nearly killed myself.
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I think that chart of Lapierre vs. Goc is a bit unfair because many of Lapierre's playing minutes come with Steve Ott who is dumb and bad and Ryan Reaves who is cool but also mostly bad. Then again, I guess Goc could have been saddled with similar linemates most of the time.
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Austrian mook posted:That was an insanely bad game from them, as bad of a game as I've seen thwm play in a while I couldn't watch it at all. I sat down to watch and my eyes just slid right off the TV. To be fair I've barely watched any games this season. My hockey burnout is still going I guess.
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Paulocaust posted:just checking in to say after years of saying Brodeur would be exposed on any either team than the devils, watching him retire in shame and embarrassment is p cool It's pretty easy and obvious to say that Brodeur would have never ended up with the stats he did if he wasn't lucky enough to play for a power house team most of his career but he was still a very good goalie in his prime
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judging 32 year old Brodeur on the merits of 42 year old Brodeur, while hilarious, isn't exactly fair.
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It's easy to assume that with Crosby and Malkin both being injured the Rinaldo cheapshot on Letang must have just flipped Rutherford the gently caress out. Because it's hard to otherwise understand why you'd trade a useful bottom-six guy/penalty killer for a guy whose name I'm pretty sure is French for "Tanner Glass" Also I was at the game last night and Goc had a pretty good game, which my friend and I were discussing, and it was pretty jarring to learn on the way home that he'd just been traded Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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What do guys think Johnny Gaudreau's ceiling is? He seems a bit advanced for a rookie and I feel like he could be the franchise guy in Calgary.
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:I think that chart of Lapierre vs. Goc is a bit unfair because many of Lapierre's playing minutes come with Steve Ott who is dumb and bad and Ryan Reaves who is cool but also mostly bad. Then again, I guess Goc could have been saddled with similar linemates most of the time. Goc was the only bright spot on the Pens' 4th line. To be honest I don't think he was that impressive either but his stats are definitely depressed from playing with abysmal line mates. Unless you declare Sidney Crosby is our new 4th line center I'm pretty sure our 4th line is going to suck no matter who's in the middle because Craig Adams and Zach Sill are lovely and slow and can't score.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What do guys think Johnny Gaudreau's ceiling is? He seems a bit advanced for a rookie and I feel like he could be the franchise guy in Calgary. Im not a fan of the term "ceiling" but he could be a pretty good player for them.
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I follow the Blues pretty closely but know almost nothing about every other team. How do you say Marcel Goc's last name? Also, why? They're both older, bottom line centers who don't score much.
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Qwertyiop25 posted:I follow the Blues pretty closely but know almost nothing about every other team. How do you say Marcel Goc's last name? Also, why? They're both bottom line centers who don't score much. "gotcha" without the A
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What do guys think Johnny Gaudreau's ceiling is? He seems a bit advanced for a rookie and I feel like he could be the franchise guy in Calgary. Gaudreau destroyed the college game and while I don't think he'll quite be the next Martin St. Louis, I think he could be one of the best players Calgary's had in quite a while, and if they work it right they could build a very good team around him. E: It bears mentioning that while Gaudreau was on a loaded Boston College team, he still stood out among those guys.
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Paulocaust posted:just checking in to say after years of saying Brodeur would be exposed on any either team than the devils, watching him retire in shame and embarrassment is p cool This is a dumb statement considering Brodeur is old and clearly way past his expiration date. He would have been a good goalie anywhere in his prime. I mean come on.
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Monahan is going to be a really good player, too.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Goc was the only bright spot on the Pens' 4th line. To be honest I don't think he was that impressive either but his stats are definitely depressed from playing with abysmal line mates. Unless you declare Sidney Crosby is our new 4th line center I'm pretty sure our 4th line is going to suck no matter who's in the middle because Craig Adams and Zach Sill are lovely and slow and can't score. Early in the third there was a loose puck going into the Winnipeg end and Craig Adams had the direct line to it but someone just skated right around him and beat him to the puck by two strides. Someone in the row in front of me said "he skates like he's underwater" and got a pretty good laugh. Qwertyiop25 posted:I follow the Blues pretty closely but know almost nothing about every other team. How do you say Marcel Goc's last name? Also, why? They're both older, bottom line centers who don't score much. Goc can't score at all but he plays pretty good defense and is a passable penalty killer. Seeing as how the Blues gave up a guy who can't play hockey at all and makes no pretense of trying to, I'd say it was a pretty good trade.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What do guys think Johnny Gaudreau's ceiling is? He seems a bit advanced for a rookie and I feel like he could be the franchise guy in Calgary. Five four. E: Austrian mook posted:Im not a fan of the term "ceiling" but he could be a pretty good player for them. Some hard hitting analysis right there. Habibi fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Qwertyiop25 posted:I follow the Blues pretty closely but know almost nothing about every other team. How do you say Marcel Goc's last name? Also, why? They're both older, bottom line centers who don't score much. I always read it to myself as "gok" and when I see his first name along with it I read it as "Marshal Gok", who as we all know commanded Napoleon's left wing at Waterloo. i'll show myself out
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juche mane posted:Driving from Suffolk to the Coliseum was really fine. It was once I got that there that I nearly killed myself. The parking lot was a goddamn nightmare, and considering what it's normally like that's saying something.
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Habibi posted:Five four. i know it's mook and all but you sure added some good analysis yourself here
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DJExile posted:Gaudreau destroyed the college game and while I don't think he'll quite be the next Martin St. Louis, I think he could be one of the best players Calgary's had in quite a while, and if they work it right they could build a very good team around him. I'm not so sure about this. St. Louis has obviously had some really great seasons of 90+ points, but for most of his career he's been just about a PPG player. It's silly to try and project the future but for the sake of discussion I think with the right teammates and more time developing it's not out of the question for Gaudreau to have a similar career trajectory. Assuming the Flames as a team continue to improve, and as Gaudreau himself gets better as a pro, 70-80 points most seasons seems pretty realistic given what he's accomplished in college and so far this season. Dude could definitely stand to put on some weight though. Being short isn't as much of a hindrance as it used to be but he's significantly lighter than guys like Ennis and St. Louis.
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Wait until Gaudreau is centered regularly by Bennett... which could happen as early as February for a few games. I have no idea what Calgary is going to do with Bennett once he's healthy.
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