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Jobbo_Fett posted:I'm gonna give it about 5 more mins until the obvious "Ratte" and "Monster" get posted.  And of course the famous Bob Semple:  *Edit - What the poo poo is this? 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I'm gonna give it about 5 more mins until the obvious "Ratte" and "Monster" get posted. 
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Jan 28, 2015 06:44
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I'm gonna give it about 5 more mins until the obvious "Ratte" and "Monster" get posted. A ship made out of those would totally own the Ship of Shermans.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:45
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TildeATH posted:A ship made out of those would totally own the Ship of Shermans. This is dumb and makes me want to not effortpost anymore.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:46
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So, what kind of tanks does Japan actually HAVE? Aren't they mostly just armored cars?
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Jan 28, 2015 07:01
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Night10194 posted:So, what kind of tanks does Japan actually HAVE? Aren't they mostly just armored cars? Japan had tankettes and tanks. The Type 95 Ha-Go was the most numerous type and gives you a pretty good idea of the light tanks the IJA fielded for most of the war. The Type 97 Chi-Ha was their version of a medium tank. They also had some interesting prototypes in the Type 4 Chi-To or the Type 5 Ke-Ho.
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Jan 28, 2015 07:05
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Fun fact: The first ever tank used by the Chinese PLA is still intact - it's a Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha. Unlike the endless circlejerk of 'German tanks> Allied tanks', Allied tanks were definitely better than Japanese tanks, which weren't really designed for tank on tank combat. While the 47mm gun of the Chi-Ha could penetrate the M3 Stuarts, it couldn't effectively penetrate the armor of the soon to be absolutely ubiquitous Sherman. Personally, if one of you tank spergs could do some googling on how the Japanese dealt with tanks during the Pacific war, I would be fascinated  .
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A White Guy posted:Fun fact: The first ever tank used by the Chinese PLA is still intact - it's a Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha. A have a book or two on it actually... Not sure how accurate it is. Edit: Japanese Suicide Lunge Mine 
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A White Guy posted:Personally, if one of you tank spergs could do some googling on how the Japanese dealt with tanks during the Pacific war, I would be fascinated The wikipedia page on the Type 95 Ha-Go is actually a decent potted history of tank warfare for the Japanese. But you specifically asked for how the Japanese dealt with tanks during the pacific war and that is much more interesting: The Lunge Mine e;fb quote:Perhaps the oddest of these antitank charges is the so-called "Lunge Mine" encountered on Leyte Island. This weapon—an armor-piercing charge on the end of a pole—derives its name from the way in which it must be thrust against the side of a tank in order to detonate. Or perhaps the Hook Charge (Same Source - The pictures are worth a look)? quote:When attacking a tank with this pole charge, presumably from ambush, the Japanese soldier is supposed to pull the cord and ignite the fuze as he approaches his target. On reaching the tank, he is supposed to hook the wire hooks of the charge over the tank cannon or machine gun. As he retreats he pulls the bamboo pole loose from the charge, and the demolition hangs freely in position on the gun until the charge explodes. Why not use a hand held mine? quote:The first Japanese antitank grenade was a hand-thrown grenade, which had a simple 100 mm diameter cone HEAT warhead with a simple "all the way" fuse system in the base. (If dropped accidentally with the pin removed, it would explode). It had what looked like the end of a mop head on the tail end of the warhead. A soldier would remove the antitank grenade from its sack, pull the pin, and throw it gripping the mop-head as the handle. This was dangerous, as there was no arming safety after release and the thrower could strike something in his back swing before release. Penetration was reported only around 50mm.
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Aichi B7A Ryusei "Shootiing Star" In response to a specification by the IJN, several designers from Aichi set about achieving the requirements that were expected. The specification for a carrier-borne attack bomber was supposed to supplement, and later replace, the B6N and the D4Y, which was to have: an offensive load of consisting of either 2 250kg bombs or 6 60kg bombs carrier internally, or 1 800kg torpedo carried externally; 2 20mm cannons in the wings and 1 13mm machine gun in dorsal position; top speed of 354 mph; maximum range of 2072 miles; and as manoeuverable as the A6M. Normally, the wingspan would've been limited to 11 meters but, because this new plane was meant to operate on new carriers, this was waived. In order to meet the requirements, a powerful engine was needed and Aichi was instructed to use a Nakajima Homare 18-cylinder radial engine which was favoured by the Navy as their next standard aircraft engine in the 1,800 hp to 2,200 hp range. To provide space for the internal bombload, a mid-wing configuration was selected which also provided the clearance necessary for the 3.5m diameter propeller. To keep the undercarriage legs short, an inverted gull wing design was chosen. Furthermore, the wings used drooping ailerons that could act as auxiliary flaps, dive brakes were added, and the wings folded upwards outboard from the flaps.  Aichi called it the AM-23 while the Navy called it the Navy Experimental 16-Shi Carrier Attack Bomber (B7A1). The first prototype was completed in May 1942 but experienced many teething issues with the Homare 11 engine. When it did work well, however, the B7A1 could achieve a top speed of 367 mph and had great handling characteristics. Only a total of nine B7A1 aircraft were built and were all extensively tested and modified over time to eliminate airframe and equipment issues. In April 1944, the Homare 12 engine rated at 1,825 HP, became available and was installed in the B7A and this new type was selected for production as the Ryusei. This new model, the B7A2, was produced at Aichi Kokuki K.K. in Funakata and the 21st Naval Air Arsenal (Dai-Nijuichi Kaigun Kokusho) in Omura. Initially, the A2's were armed with a 7.92mm MG in the dorsal turret, but these were replaced by the 13mm MG's in later production aircraft. Production was halted at Aichi's plant due to an earthquake that ravaged the area. One B7A2 had its engine replaced by a 2,000 HP Nakajima Homare 23 but, due to the previous closure Aichi's plant it never progressed past the experimental stage.  General Information on the B7A2 General Characteristics: Crew: 2 Length: 11.49m Wingspan: 14.4m Height: 4.08m Powerplant: 1 x Nakajima NK9C Homare 12 18-cylinder air-cooled radial engine rated at 1,825 HP on takeoff Loaded Weight: 6,500kg Performance: Maximum Speed: 566 km/h @ 6,550m Range: 3030 km Ceiling: 11,250 m Armament: 2 x 20mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons in the wings 1 x 7.92mm Type 1 machine gun in dorsal position (early aircraft) 1 x 13mm machine gun in dorsal position (late aircraft) Ordnance: 1 x 800kg torpedo or Up to 800kg of bombs Production numbers: Aichi Kokuki K.K. at Funakata -9 B7A1 prototypes -80 B7A2 production aircraft Dai-Nijuichi Kaigun Kokusho at Omura -25 B7A2 production aircraft
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Jan 28, 2015 08:30
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TildeATH posted:I think Grey's doing a good job of simulating this already. To get the proper feel for the game, I pace up and down the room while doing the updates having an argument with Cicero (my cat). I always prevail though!
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Jan 28, 2015 08:53
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Grey Hunter posted:To get the proper feel for the game, I pace up and down the room while doing the updates having an argument with Cicero (my cat). I always prevail though! Poor Cicero, always stuck as the IJA.
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Jan 28, 2015 09:00
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Poor Cicero, always stuck as the IJA. That cat's gonna be so smug when the inevitable happens and the Kido Butai gets converted into a reef.
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LeadSled posted:That cat's gonna be so smug when the inevitable happens and the Kido Butai gets converted into a reef. He's a Cat - he's automatically smug!
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Abongination posted:
It's a Benes "tank". Basically an enterprising Czech dude took a year to build an armoured car from parts of two regular cars. It has two car engines, one for an axis. Hull was made from 4 layers of 1,5 mm metal. Turret was made with truck rim and sheet metal. Between rim and metal was concrete filling. Cannon was fake. Dude wanted to use it to force border crossing with his family. One of engines died after a couple of km's, they've returned home. His family convinced him he should go to authorities and he used this opportunity to abandon his family, cross the boundary at night and end up in the USA. My writeup is based on Polish translation of Czech original site, here's original: http://www.dolin.estranky.cz/clanky/historie---clanky-o-technice/Hrusecky-tank-1970.html
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The B7A is amazing and should be one of the top priorities of Japanese players for early arrival aircraft that aren't fighters.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Poor Cicero, always stuck as the IJA. That's okay, he's a cat. He hates water anyhow.
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Jan 28, 2015 10:02
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Veloxyll posted:That's okay, he's a cat. He hates water anyhow. But only to spite you 
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Jan 28, 2015 14:57
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Let's put the Japanese "Shooting Star" against the American "Shooting Star" 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:A have a book or two on it actually... Not sure how accurate it is. Hahaha! No matter how developed Japanese doctrine got, when in doubt they always fell back on a guy with a spear.
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   We strike another freighter.   The bombing of Iba is stepped up.  We send masses of planes in to reduce the enemy.  Manila finally falls. Lots of enemy squads destroyed but a large number of enemy troops retreat. They are mostly non-combatants however, and are no threat to our forces.   We put that force to rout.   We capture Sarong without loss. The enemy just surrender to our forces.   We send a British force near Molmein into retreat.   Ahh, that's a good day. That's a 1,500 point shift in the scores in my direction. 
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Hooray! Manila! I assume that force is going to rest for a few days and then parts move to assist at Iba?
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Jan 28, 2015 18:45
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How many soldiers died in the Battle of Manila?
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Jan 28, 2015 18:45
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Not enough to sate That Which Hungers at Eniwetok. Not nearly.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:50
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What is the plan for Palembang?
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alex314 posted:It's a Benes "tank". This is really cool, had never heard of it before.
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The Allara, though a largely uninteresting cargo ship, is notable for taking a direct hit by a Japanese torpedo causing massive damager to her stern, but surviving to be repaired and continue service within months. http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2319473/unsinkable-allara-survives-japanese-torpedo-attack-pics/
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Aichi B7A Ryusei "Shootiing Star"
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Grey Hunter posted:To get the proper feel for the game, I pace up and down the room while doing the updates having an argument with Cicero (my cat). I always prevail though! The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Let's Play! > Pacific Theatre of Operations 2 - Day By Day - Imperial Edition For context, this is a game where a key mechanic is the monthly meeting with the Finance, Foreign and Prime Ministers whilst also arguing with the military Chief of Staff whilst you play as the Chief of Naval Staff.
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wukkar posted:These are good and all, but they focus on the procurement/development process a bit too much. More on what these planes actually did in the war! Was is generally successful? A flying coffin? Both? Yeah, I see your point. The problem with some of them is they really didn't do... anything. Both the Ki-64 and Ki-119 were prototype/project planes only. The B7A has very little information on it, and too few existed to be used for carrier operations. It subsequently operated from land bases but with such a small production run it didn't leave a lasting impression.
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Could you do one on the KI-43 Hyabusa? Or the H6K Flying Boat? I play too much War Thunder and I love those planes. Though admittedly, I just love Boatplanes. The PBY Catalina is such a wonderful plane.
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Night10194 posted:Could you do one on the KI-43 Hyabusa? Or the H6K Flying Boat? I wouldn't mind it, but the writeups take up quite a bit of time even for the less detailed aircraft, and I've been putting off some stuff I've been meaning to do. So maybe? This LPs gonna be around for year(s) anyways.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I wouldn't mind it, but the writeups take up quite a bit of time even for the less detailed aircraft, and I've been putting off some stuff I've been meaning to do. So maybe? This LPs gonna be around for year(s) anyways. Do the real crown of the throne, the P-80, last plane in the game
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Grey Hunter posted:
Well, I'm relieved that I was wrong! Good call Grey.
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Arbite posted:Good call Grey. That's 1 in his favor. What's the score against so far? (Obviously the successes in China are going into the cat's ledger)
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Let's Play! > Pacific Theatre of Operations 2 - Day By Day - Imperial Edition
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A White Guy posted:While the 47mm gun of the Chi-Ha could penetrate the M3 Stuarts, it couldn't effectively penetrate the armor of the soon to be absolutely ubiquitous Sherman. IIRC, it could penetrate the upper hull front at 500m unless firing at a sidewards angle and could penetrate the M4 from the side at just about any practical range.
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Magni posted:IIRC, it could penetrate the upper hull front at 500m unless firing at a sidewards angle and could penetrate the M4 from the side at just about any practical range. According to the wiki page for the Type 1 47mm Anti-Tank Gun, mounted in the Type 97 Chi-Ha from 42 onwards, it could fire APHE rounds that could penetrate 70mm of armour at 0 degrees, and 51mm at 30 degrees. Edit: At 500 yards Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Magni posted:IIRC, it could penetrate the upper hull front at 500m unless firing at a sidewards angle and could penetrate the M4 from the side at just about any practical range. The Type 1 47mm on the upgunned Chi-Ha (early versions carried a 57mm weapon that could only penetrate a paltry 25mm of armor) could penetrate 70mm of armor at 0 degree angle at 500 meters, and 50mm at 30 degrees. While Wikipdia's article on the Sherman is full of misinformation, the data on the armor scheme, at least, appears to be accurate; placing the frontal turret armor of the Sherman at 76mm (effectively immune to the Chi-Ha's gun at 500 meters), and the hull armor at 51mm at a 50 degree slope (marginal at best for the gun). The gun could easily pierce the M4's sides (around 45mm) at 500 meters, but would have been ineffective at further ranges (40mm/30mm penetration at 1500 meters for 0/30 degrees). Meanwhile, the Sherman's 75mm gun was sufficient to penetrate and destroy a Chi-ha with an HE round, not even needing a dedicate AP projectile.
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Gnoman posted:While Wikipdia's article on the Sherman is full of misinformation, the data on the armor scheme, at least, appears to be accurate; placing the frontal turret armor of the Sherman at 76mm (effectively immune to the Chi-Ha's gun at 500 meters), and the hull armor at 51mm at a 50 degree slope (marginal at best for the gun). This depends heavily on which variant of the Sherman is being encountered. The Sherman is, to me, the most convoluted tank of WW2 when it comes to figuring out variants including production and modifications.
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