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Romulans in this are basically easy mode. Once you amass a big enough fleet the cloak sneak attack round kills anything anybody will ever throw at you. Especially after crippling the other side with Tal Shiar sabotage turn after turn. Fun times. Anyway. Grand Negus! The only way forward is through aggressive growth stock holders!
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Commerce Authority! Grab the easier money!
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Uhh, is (Uproar ensues) supposed to do so twice? No, I fixed it. I guess I moved it and forgot to delete the original. I guess it is unwise to do updates while exhausted and half-asleep.
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Xenocides posted:No, I fixed it. I guess I moved it and forgot to delete the original. I guess it is unwise to do updates while exhausted and half-asleep. Also I guess now that I remember I had promised poo poo and have vodka, I should get on it. Blegh.
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I love this game, but it got too easy to play as the cloaking Romulan bastards and killing everything in one turn. It's quite slow though, and lacking in most ways outside of the theme. Still great!
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Jan 30, 2015 18:31
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I'm quite fond of some of the mods out there for BotF. There's an All Eras one that lets you start in Enterprise and work your way up through TOS, the 80 year gap, TNG, DS9, and the movies ships. Another one replaced the Ferrengi with the Dominion.
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Jan 30, 2015 18:34
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The Expansion Fund Trustees understand that the early swamp bird gets the tube grub. We must exploit the more distant opportunities before they encounter other empires, the ones next to us can be picked up easily.
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Jan 30, 2015 18:42
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Wait, the Commerce Authority are suggesting that we offer to terraform Bolarus... for... FREE? That's the most obscene thing I've ever heard! I'm investing my latinum in the Aggressive Growth Stock Holders for the Beltane futures market. Our trade routes and natural charm will win over the Bolarans eventually, but the Sheliak need a little extra incentive.
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Jan 30, 2015 18:49
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I have to ask, as I don't know a ton about the Ferengi, what's the deal with latinum?
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Jan 30, 2015 19:33
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Night10194 posted:I have to ask, as I don't know a ton about the Ferengi, what's the deal with latinum? It's money, and the Ferengi really like money.
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Jan 30, 2015 19:38
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Well, in fairness to the Ferengi, money can be exchanged for goods and services, so money's pretty awesome.
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Jan 30, 2015 19:41
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Night10194 posted:I have to ask, as I don't know a ton about the Ferengi, what's the deal with latinum? All of them. Excepting barters, I suppose.
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Night10194 posted:I have to ask, as I don't know a ton about the Ferengi, what's the deal with latinum? It's a liquid that can't be replicated in a replicator. They wrap it in gold because gold's shiny.
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Jan 30, 2015 19:47
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's a liquid that can't be replicated in a replicator. They wrap it in gold because gold's shiny. Unless you go by Star Trek Armada 2, in which case it's a reasonably common material easily mined in nebulas and valued for its superconductive properties.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:08
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Mountaineer posted:Aggressive Growth Stock Holders
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Jan 30, 2015 20:47
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Xenocides posted:Greetings. I assume you have all already paid your respects. Latinum only! Anybody else reading this whole LP mentally with the voice of Wallace Shawn? Inconceivable! Also, here is the Ferengi soundtrack from the game to help set the mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YcCDYwG4og ___________________ Aggressive Stock Holders Grand Nagus, I submit Rules of Acquisition 3, 45, 62, 125, and 263. #3 "Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to." If we invest in the Bolians, we will also have to invest in the Sheliak for expansion. Whereas investing in the Sheliak solely will give us the necessary expansion without needing to invest in the Bolians. #45 "Expand or die." We should favor expansion over the safe bet. #62 "The riskier the road, the greater the profit." We can always fall back on the sure thing with the Bolians, if we are rebuffed by the Sheliak. #125 "You can't make a deal if you're dead." If we allow the Sheliak's hostility to continue, they might attack us. It's better to show them that they can't live without our goods. #263 "Never allow doubt to tarnish your lust for latinum." Those Ferengi who say we should take the safer route are no true Ferengi at all. The best course of action is to invest in the Sheliak to turn greater profits from their larger population, use their star system as a more effective springboard, and reduce the risk of attack, while keeping the Bolians as a fallback. Night10194 posted:I have to ask, as I don't know a ton about the Ferengi, what's the deal with latinum? As has been stated, latinum is an un-replicatable liquid, giving a post-scarcity economy a scarce resource to serve as a base currency. Though, using energy as the base currency would make more sense, since energy is needed for replicators to work. Cartheon fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Jan 30, 2015 20:50
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Well, I'm convinced. My latinum's on the Aggressive Stockholders! Let's open us some markets.
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inflatablefish posted:Wait, the Commerce Authority are suggesting that we offer to terraform Bolarus... for... FREE? I had missed that point. Thank you, Daimon inflatablefish, for pointing it out. As the Rules of Acquisition state, "a Ferengi with no profit is no Ferengi at all" and "anything worth doing is worth doing for profit!" We will terraform their world once we can ensure they are well within our sphere of influence. No reason to develop something that someone else could profit from. EDIT: I also considered the Trustee option of building another exploration ship, but without the range extension from another planet, we won't be getting very far with that route. Also the large galaxy size means it is unlikely anyone within our current range will be grabbed by another empire. By the time we get the Sheliak happy with us, our single explorer should have everything in range scouted. Cartheon fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Jan 30, 2015 21:24
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I cast my vote for Aggressive Stock Holders
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Jan 30, 2015 21:29
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Cartheon posted:Anybody else reading this whole LP mentally with the voice of Wallace Shawn? Inconceivable! I am trying to write it with that voice in my head. Does anyone know how to spell out the Nagus Zek's laugh? I drew a blank when I tried to write it out last night.
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Xenocides posted:I am trying to write it with that voice in my head. Does anyone know how to spell out the Nagus Zek's laugh? I drew a blank when I tried to write it out last night. Just put this link up, instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_8dNYT60gE quote:I actually originally intended to run this game with goons splitting into the five empires and running them all hot-seat but the stupid game does not have a hot-seat option. In 1999? What the hell? Maybe I can make this happen some other time. I know the game has a multiplayer option. Is it possible to recruit four other goons to play the other empires to achieve the same effect? Cartheon fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Jan 30, 2015 21:33
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Cartheon posted:Aggressive Stock Holders I have been swayed. Aggressive Stock Holders all the way!
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Jan 30, 2015 21:59
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Serious question (as someone who has watched Star Trek but has not "watched" Star Trek): Are these Rule of Acquisition real? Like does Memory Alpha have a list of all of them? Is there a book that contains all of them? Or are they just random things that people make up because it's basically Capitalism and fy;gm?
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Jan 30, 2015 23:20
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Memory Alpha does have a list, yes. I'm not sure if those ones up there are made up, though. But, on the other hand, the official unwritten rule of aquisition is... "When no appropriate rule applies, make one up."
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Jan 30, 2015 23:27
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition Basically though, yea it's something writers make up when needed. There was a DS9 episode where Quark has an encounter with the original Nagus in a dream where the Nagus basically admitted that the title "rules of acquisition" just had more weight and thus would be more profitable to sell than say "The suggestions of acquisition"
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Aces High posted:Serious question (as someone who has watched Star Trek but has not "watched" Star Trek): The ones I used where all from a wiki and are authentic. I believe most of the rest were too. There was a non-canon book out out of the rules but it intentionally did not say they were the last and writers continued to make them up through Voyager and Enterprise. There are also some that never got a number. My favorite unofficial rule: When Morn leaves the party is over.
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Aggressive Stock Holders Get the Sheliak on side without jeopardising our own economic stability.
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Whoops, misremembered the number on Peace is good for Business. Ed: #94 gets shown to be patently untrue, with The Nagus relying heavily on advice from Quark's mother. And Quark employs a wwoman who definitely has the Lobes for Business. Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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I owned (probably own) the rules of acquisition book - it pretty much only covered those which had been mentioned in the series. My favourite, unofficial rule from Star Trek: Voyager - "Whenever you exploit someone, it never hurts to thank them. That way it's easier to exploit them the next time."
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Did modders fix the bug with this game where the turns take forever to process once you get past a certain number of turns (100 or so)? I bought this on release when it came out, and that problem made it unplayable past a certain point.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Did modders fix the bug with this game where the turns take forever to process once you get past a certain number of turns (100 or so)? I think the developers released a patch for that bug. It was kind of sad that that bug made it to release. In any case I have not seen it since I first got the game.
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Aces High posted:Serious question (as someone who has watched Star Trek but has not "watched" Star Trek): Memory Beta has a bigger list that pulls from novels and other non-canon sources: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Ferengi_Rules_of_Acquisition
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Mountaineer posted:Cardassians! Let's be duplicitous space fascists! Can't believe this didn't win everybody over, but well, let's get in the spirit. The 47th rule of acquisition ("Never trust a man wearing a better suit than your own") clearly demands that we follow the wisdom of the Aggressive Growth Stock Holders. For anybody into weird Euro anarcho-metal about Ferengi basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_W-yHiKmQs (Make sure you hang on until the horrible gremlin creatures start talking about student loan debt)
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Okay, looks like we are going to try to bring the Sheliak into the Alliance. Going to start on update now.
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Let's Hope the Romulans don't show up and Slime Porn causes Problems (Turns 8-32) Turn 8 Greetings friends. Your input is appreciated and we will move forward with plans to bring the Sheliak into the Alliance. Our colony ship will move to Beltane to begin preparing it for habitation and the creation of new markets. The explorer will explore that pretty blue star.  For the Sheliak we need to find a way to break through their strange fear of communicating with us. I am dispatching a trade representative to the Shelia system now with recently acquired copies of the holosuite program Bolian Love Slave Volumes 1 to 7. Though Volume 5 if my personal favorite I hope they will find something to whet their appetite.  We are also contacting the Bolians to ask them to agree to further economic exchanges. We will not spend any latinum on this.  Turn 10 Not only have the Bolians rejected our overtures the Sheliak have not responded to our initial investment. They reported that there was too much blue in the programs. Perhaps giving them the extended edition was a mistake. It will require more latinum then we have to sway them.  We have found the Triacus system. It is a small system with little room for development but it does sport dilithium When we need more we will need to develop this world. More importantly our sensors have picked up the ships of a starfaring race near that yellow star. Finally a species who can deliver their latinum directly to us. Turn 11 Our explorer has reported in that the spotted ship is a colony vessel and is terraforming planets in the Delos system.  They claim to be from something called the Romulan Star Empire.  Their technology appears to be comparable to our own. Odd to hit another empire this early on a large map. They claim to be isolationists but that is just another way of trying to hound us out of their markets. I assign our Market Troubleshooters to head into action.  70% of our operatives will continue to defend our trade borders while the rest will find out more about the Romulan economy. Turn 13 We have enough people and ships to establish another trade route. We will begin smuggling to the Sheliak immediately. Turn 14 We begin construction of a new colony ship as reports come in that the Romulans have colonized Delos.  You can guess at a few things by how territory is claimed. The green shading is Romulan space. That it seems to go around the blue star suggests there is a minor race there. I would love to make contact but my ships do not have the range. Our scientists have developed new ways of harnessing energy using wasteful inefficient wind  Wind Turbines? Seriously? In a society with the power needs the Star Trek series shows? We have improved power buildings which we will upgrade when we have a chance. Right now Ferenginar is building colony ships. Wind Turbines are good because they provide power without any need for population but only certain worlds can build them and Ferenginar does not have one. Turn 17 The Romulans have contacted us with a request for a pact of non-aggression.  The treaty does not explicitly mention that trade and smuggling are not allowed so we accept. Non-aggression pacts has set durations. For the duration you cannot enter the space of the other empire without breaking the pact. Different empires react differently to breaking pacts. Usually you take a morale hit for breaking a pact. The Federation and Klingons are hit the hardest. The Romulans and the Ferengi take a minor morale hit and the Cardassians do not seem to care if their leaders break pacts. Turn 18  Different species react to events differently. The Ferengi get a morale boost for most agreements because they expect it to open new markets. We meet the Zakdorn. Military strategist extraordinare and players of the game Stratagema which the fools have not even trademarked yet.  The new colony ship must be rushed to the Beltane system system. Our pact with the Romulans means these systems are available on a first come basis and we must develop Beltane quickly. A troop transport is being built to establish a trade outpost on Beltane so we can send the second colony ship to Triacus. We must claim the dilithium before the Romulans do. I have also discovered that trade with the Sheliak and the Bolians is nothing compared to the advantages of trading with the Zakdorn and the Romulans. A smuggling line to Romulas must be established immediately. Perhaps they like chubby blue women. If not, we will have to create the demand somehow. These holosuite programs are not going offload themselves. Turn 20 Our Explorer has found the Kaldra system, a ripe source for development once we can get ships in range. Our Explorer will continue to explore the eastern portion of what will soon join our Alliance.  Turn 22 Our Troop Transport is finished and is ordered to move to Beltane at once.  The Ferenginar system is fully developed and we need more machining guilds to reach maximum productivity. Turn 24 Good news from our scientists:   Soon we will upgrade our grower's markets and put many of our agricultural workers out of a job. Then we can rehire them for lower wages doing more menial work. Rule of Acquisition #211: Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them. The Subspace Scanner gives us more scanning coverage. A low priority. I will probably upgrade the Grower's Markets as soon as the Machining Guilds are finished. Turn 25 Beltane is colonized and filled with new markets!  All empires get a morale boost for establishing colonies. It can take a while to build up new colonies. They start with 2 farming structures and that is it. I queue up some machining guilds to build up production and buy the first one. They take 13 turns each until we can get a few built. It is normal to buy up colonies for a while and then let normal production take over later. Turn 29 Another report from our scientists expands our warp drive capabilities. With this new technology we can build ships suitable for defending commerce and liberating goods from traders that do not deserve them.  This is our first warship though it is a light one. Ferengi ships are generally inferior to comparable classes of enemy ships so generally you want to bring more of them to a fight. Turn 31  The eastern edge of the Alliance has three new systems. Styris is the best of the bunch while Ariannus and Tycho are sub-par. Our outpost has also detected that the Sheliak have constructed three raiding ships. Turn 32  The Sheliak were so offended by the copy of Sludge Monster Orgy we sent them that they declared war. Cretins, the creatures looked just like them. The scene where the sludge monster of pure evil eats the pink-skinned security officer from the rape gang planet was particularly erotic. Remember Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business. Undoubtedly those ships are intended to destroy Ferengi commerce. They must be subjugated and brought under the rule of the Ferengi Collections Bureau to pay for the cost of this conflict. Our intelligence network has found that the Romulans are also trading to their north and there is another star system within their space.  This basically means that both of those systems are minor empires. I call an emergency conference. We must deal with this situation. ________________________________________________________________________________________ So Daimons, what do you think? Expansion Fund Trustees: They propose the constuction of an outpost at Ferenginar and backing it with a few light raiders in the hopes that the Sheliak will attack and give us the defensive advantage. Meanwhile they want to bring the Zakdorn closer to the Alliance through liberal use of bribes. They want the Explorer ship to head to galactic north of the Romulans first to explore new trade opportunities. Aggressive Growth Stock Holders They propose the construction of 4 raiders followed by troop transports with the entirety of the Ferenginar economy to defeat the Sheliak fleet and occupy their planet so we can extract war reparations for the next ten generations. Hopefully the Sheliak live for a long time. They also propose sending our Explorer ship to immediately scout the minor races near the Romulans to determine if they can be won over to the support of the Alliance. Commerce Authority They believe the Sheliak war to be mostly a bluff and unprosecuteable without the Sheliak building more ships and troop transports. They believe the treasury should be spent to rush development of our own colonies and to rush colonization of Styris to expand further east before serious prosecution of the war. They believe the Explorer ship should explore further to the north. Attempts to end the war should be pursued and if they fail raiders should be built.
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Aggressive Growth. Better to steal the money you know is there than to invest in markets that might not pan out.
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Xenocides posted:Aggressive Growth Stock Holders They propose the construction of 4 raiders followed by troop transports with the entirety of the Ferenginar economy to defeat the Sheliak fleet and occupy their planet so we can extract war reparations for the next ten generations. Hopefully the Sheliak live for a long time. They also propose sending our Explorer ship to immediately scout the minor races near the Romulans to determine if they can be won over to the support of the Alliance. Once again, I must support the Aggressive Growth Stock Holders. The Sheliak took our money and repaid us with violence, never has the 285th Rule of Acquisition seemed more true. An aggressive policy to end the Sheliak threat would be prudent, and the prospect of reparations sounds delightful. Scouting out those minor races is equally prudent. Rule 194 states that it's always good to know about new customers before they walk in the door.
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Commerce Authority. No need to throw good money after bad to support the risky and ill-considered adventures of the Aggressive Growth Stock Holders- we should instead focus on solid development of our assets so we will be in a better position to act in the future.
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My, things have changed rapidly, haven't they? Aren't you all glad we didn't invest in the Bolians, since now all these fresh, new, and much more profitable opportunities available now? I say we should follow the Expansion Fund Trustees. We should not ignore the threat of Sheliak, but always remember the corollary to Rule of Acquisition #34: "War is good for business ... but only from a distance, the closer to the front lines, the less profitable it gets." Rather than take the fight to Sheliak, force them come to us, so that any fighting will be our terms. If the Zakdorn can be convinced to join us, they may even be of help in the fight against the Sheliak.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Aggressive Growth. Better to steal the money you know is there than to invest in markets that might not pan out. The more dangerous road brings the greatest profit. Besides, those jerks took all our latinum and fantastic holosuite production and declared war? Shame!
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