mookface posted:what she has going is fantasy. It could never be implemented or actualize itself organically ever in any way Doesn't mean we can't try. It's p foolish to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There have been, are, and will be in the future societies more capitalist (socialist) than our current one, which are perfectly functional. It's stupid to say we can't gain anything from the free market.
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Morkyz posted:Doesn't mean we can't try. It's p foolish to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There have been, are, and will be in the future societies more capitalist (socialist) than our current one, which are perfectly functional. It's stupid to say we can't gain anything from the free market. but it's absurd. Truly the best way to achieve an enlightened society is to instead of reserving education for the wealthy to make it freely available to everyone. What she says makes sense if you're a bright young individual in college with a an independent streak but for any real world applications it's just inane nonsense
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Feb 2, 2015 08:07
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Morkyz posted:In a truly free society, the super rich wouldn't be able to maintain their power indefinitely like they can now, because govt regulators would act to constantly suppress new enterprises and the monopolies wouldn't have the advantage of ironclad patents to stifle competition. It's true that it would be very hard to get from very poor to very rich, but that doesn't mean their lives would be meaningless. Without the welfare system there wouldn't be an underclass in it's current form anyway. wasnt she all about no government regulations on anything serious question im probably just parroting things at this stage
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lonesomedwarf posted:wasnt she all about no government regulations on anything Patents are gov't regulation.
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Feb 2, 2015 08:09
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work hard, praise god...and pass the ammunition 
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The good thing about Ayn Rand was that she did want things like equality of society and for a person to be valued based on their merits as opposed to birth or social class. Remember that the bad guys in Atlas Shrugged are assholes who use their class connections and birth to manipulate things to screw over the protagonists who are trying to make a better and safer world. The reasons why (in the book) Taggart is constantly kicked to the side and not given the credit she deserves is simply because she's a woman, and Rearden is getting screwed over simply because he doesn't have the right connections and is a self made person. The bad thing about her is how she envisioned society would get better...
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mookface posted:but it's absurd. Truly the best way to achieve an enlightened society is to instead of reserving education for the wealthy to make it freely available to everyone. What she says makes sense if you're a bright young individual in college with a an independent streak but for any real world applications it's just inane nonsense Depends how how society is organized. People from disadvantaged backgrounds could trade future labor or money for education, just like they can now. Plus without subsidized education less people would have college degrees, which means employers wouldn't be so inclined to make a degree a requirement for even low skill jobs. Shadoer posted:The good thing about Ayn Rand was that she did want things like equality of society and for a person to be valued based on their merits as opposed to birth or social class. She wasn't very rigorous, but that's forgivable in a writer/intellectual.
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Feb 2, 2015 08:15
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Top City Homo posted:i appreciate that she died painfully and poor
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Feb 2, 2015 08:16
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her writing is enjoyable and playful even, i just totally disagree with her. I appreciate her as a fiction writer
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Feb 2, 2015 08:16
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she was actually very stupid
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Feb 2, 2015 08:17
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mookface posted:her writing is enjoyable and playful even, i just totally disagree with her. I appreciate her as a fiction writer "we the living" is a great novel imo
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Feb 2, 2015 08:18
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I didn't like her book, but she was right
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Feb 2, 2015 08:19
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Anyone post that webcomic detailing her life yet?
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Feb 2, 2015 08:19
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for real tho http://www.amazon.com/We-Living-75th-Anniversary-Edition/dp/045123359X pro-read
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mookface posted:her writing is enjoyable and playful even, i just totally disagree with her. I appreciate her as a fiction writer That's perfectly fine. She was a writer, not a politician or an economist, so I really think she should be judged by her idealism instead of her politics. lol if you think modern plutocrats wouldn't be directing policy to benefit themselves without some dead russian woman telling them to.
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Morkyz posted:That's perfectly fine. She was a writer, not a politician or an economist, so I really think she should be judged by her idealism instead of her politics. lol if you think modern plutocrats wouldn't be directing policy to benefit themselves without some dead russian woman telling them to. I read the books and enjoyed them while at the same time totally disagreeing with them on a fundamental level, She is a capable writer and i even see her point i just feel that it's refuted by hundreds of years of history, logic, and ethics. long live ayn rand, the dumb oval office.
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liberals who never read ayn rand will never appreciate the compelling vision many libertarian types convince themselves with. considering how important that politics has become people opposed to it should understand it. in the same way that you should read the bible if you want to get to the heart of christianty, you should also read something rand if you are confused about why right libertarianism is still alive and well. "we the living" is the most sympathetic book you can start with
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TEAYCHES posted:liberals who never read ayn rand will never appreciate the compelling vision many libertarian types convince themselves with. considering how important that politics has become people opposed to it should understand it. in the same way that you should read the bible if you want to get to the heart of christianty, you should also read something rand if you are confused about why right libertarianism is still alive and well. "we the living" is the most sympathetic book you can start with atlas shrugged the least
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libertarianism is garbage hth
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mookface posted:atlas shrugged the least yea even when i was full on libertarian phase in high school i couldnt swallow that book. the fountainhead i get, atlas shrugged was just loving bad tho
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TEAYCHES posted:yea even when i was full on libertarian phase in high school i couldnt swallow that book. the fountainhead i get, atlas shrugged was just loving bad tho the fountainhead is more subtle in the fact that roark is a person who is in love with his craft, and honest and poo poo like that. Shrugged was a straight up propaganda script.
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TEAYCHES posted:liberals who never read ayn rand will never appreciate the compelling vision many libertarian types convince themselves with. considering how important that politics has become people opposed to it should understand it. in the same way that you should read the bible if you want to get to the heart of christianty, you should also read something rand if you are confused about why right libertarianism is still alive and well. "we the living" is the most sympathetic book you can start with drat straight.
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i dont hate ayn rand, or even objectivists, unless they're sociopaths theres no point really. from certain life perspectives it makes sense if you can convince yourself people would be better off interestingly, ultra-liberals like libertarians and socialists (not the ones from tumblr) have a tendency to want to prop up ownership of labor rather than alienation of it, albeit with drastically different avenues of action.
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lol her husband left her for another woman and she was surprised the selfish rear end in a top hat philosophy she espoused worked like a charm
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While not a book I totally agree with, the part in the opening scene of Atlas Shrugged that stuck with me the most was the one where she's trying to describe businesses as being a warm foreground to a cold backdrop of the rest of the world, implying that things like a fruit stand or whatever is a sign of human spirit and action compared to the emptiness of the rest of the city, is an interesting aesthetic. It's been a while but I thought that avenue was more expressive than the characters who are arguably overly caricature-like.
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"Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was making GBS threads brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew." I don't get how people can call Ayn Rand "a bad writer" and then go on to unironically like grrm.
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one writes lovely wank fantasy for nerds and the other is goerge rr martin
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Alan Smithee posted:one writes lovely wank fantasy for nerds and the other is goerge rr martin lol
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TEAYCHES posted:"we the living" is a great novel imo It's pretty good. It also didn't end in a way I expected based on what I know of Ayn Rand from the internet.
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Porn Star Belle Knox Is Remaking Herself As A Libertarian Activistbelle knox posted:I was always being told to cover up my body and I was always being told to wait until marriage to have sex, that my body would go down if I didn't wait till marriage to have sex," Weeks explained, adding, "That really made me become a libertarian and become a feminist." ayn rand posted:an ideal woman is a man-worshipper, and an ideal man is the highest symbol of mankind also pyf ayn rand porn clip
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One thing I learned from Ayn Rand was that just because I have started on reading a book I should not feel obliged to finish it. So thanks for that, I guess.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:10
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Run out of TP and you'll be glad ol Jonny G had to talk for fifty sheets of asswipe
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i would piss on ayn rand's grave because in death as in life
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The only people who are convinced by Ayn Rand are the ones who already believe it. "I'm actually secretly special. I would be rich and powerful if I could just do whatever I wanted. All those people making it and getting rich now would just stop doing business, right?" lmbo Read Vonnegut's Player Piano if you want to know what a society of unrestricted capitalism would really be like.
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I thought The Jungle did a good job showing that unrestricted capitalism turns everyone into lying, predatory dickbags
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Someone tried creating Galt's Gulch IRL with hilarious results: http://gawker.com/ayn-rands-capitalist-paradise-is-now-a-greedy-land-grab-1627574870 http://www.salon.com/2014/09/16/ayn_rands_capitalist_paradise_lost_the_inside_story_of_a_libertarian_scam_partner/
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I used to like Ayn Rand when I played bioshock but then I saw video footage of her and could tell she was a nutter. I mean those eyes, those eyes E: It's hard to see how creepy they are without watching the actual footage but she's crazed. Crack fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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Carol Pizzamom posted:i dont hate ayn rand, or even objectivists, unless they're sociopaths i see a flaw in your premise
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Crack posted:I used to like Ayn Rand when I played bioshock wait what how can you play bioshock and still like ayn rand
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