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Grimm was renewed for a fifth season. Prepare for another cliffhanger with few permanent ramifications!
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Feb 6, 2015 19:55
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I wonder what cutesy little message they'll show this time. 'Come on, surely you expect this by now!'
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Feb 6, 2015 20:12
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Tortolia posted:Grimm was renewed for a fifth season. Prepare for another cliffhanger with few permanent ramifications! Nick gets... adamantite skin.
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Feb 6, 2015 20:13
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Juliet finished recited the incantation: "and one tablespoon of sugar!" Suddenly the microwave started beeping and flashing 0000 and the blender started spinning and smashing into the counter. Adalind took a step back and noticed pages of "The Joy of Cooking" Juliet was holding, turned faster and faster as if propelled by an ancient tempest. Juliet pointed at the stove and suddenly the stove timer starting dinging and the doors of the stove swung open and inside was a portal to the Netherworld. "I'm not going in there!" cried Adalind "You're right." said Juliet. Out of the portal and into her hands flew a rolling pin. "You're going to Hell."
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Feb 6, 2015 20:18
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Astrofig posted:I wonder what cutesy little message they'll show this time. I legit like their messages. I wish more shows acknowledged their finale cliffhangers like Grimm does.
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Feb 6, 2015 20:19
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The messages are really fun, i hope they continue doing them.
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Feb 6, 2015 20:59
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I like them too, I just hope they never get boring, you know? Overdone.
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Feb 6, 2015 21:35
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bamhand posted:That's why you ate your carpet. Nick needs to ask Adalind for one of those cookies. If he was willing to munch rug Juliette might put out more often.
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Feb 6, 2015 23:31
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Interesting little science-fair project Henrietta's got going.....
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Feb 7, 2015 03:53
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The dog Juliette treated was Bitsie's dog, Henry. Edit: New thread tagline proposal: "He missed." johntfs fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Feb 7, 2015 03:55
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Grimm has been awesome recently.
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Feb 7, 2015 04:01
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pasaluki posted:Grimm has been awesome recently. I can't wait until Nick decides he wants to gently caress up the Wesen Council.
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Feb 7, 2015 04:25
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MildShow posted:I can't wait until Nick decides he wants to gently caress up the Wesen Council. I can't wait until Juliette decides she wants to gently caress up the Wesen Council. Council member 1: There's a hexenbiest outside with a pistol and a skillet. Council member 2: Oh, scheisse! johntfs fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Feb 7, 2015 04:34
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You'd think that the Wesen Council would be a little less eager to pull the trigger on Nick. I mean wasn't the first time they came in contact with him when he let their operative live, even though he was attempting to ice a kid, and he provided them with info on how to cure the disease that the kid had? And the second time he caught their operative stealing a corpse, and he helped dispose of it? And all that happened this episode was that he was making inquiries about a guy who was committing murders - he hadn't even identified or arrested him at that point, they sent the hit out before that happened. "I hope the Grimm isn't annoyed" indeed. I do like that Nick did his usual snarky thing where he sent the photo of the hitman back to the guys trying to kill him. I question Renard's opinion that an iPad taken from a suspected hitman containing bounties for people and photos of the people dead isn't enough to stand up in court. Convictions have been gotten for a lot less evidence than that. So what that they don't have the murder weapon, he's a hitman, he got rid of it somewhere. I'm not so sure about Juliette suddenly becoming the Chosen Hexenbiest all of a sudden, though. She wasn't one before and only became one via some strange side-effect so her being super-powerful seems unlikely. Adalind had to go through this whole elaborate ritual involving the dismemberment of another Hexenbiest and smearing its organ juices on herself, but Juliette is a more powerful one because Renard's mom forgot to carry the 3? I'm also glad that there will be a 5th season because that's when they'll apparently answer what those keys are for.
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Feb 7, 2015 05:17
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I suggest re-reading the last two pages after you've watched the latest episode. Many of the posts' desires are partially fulfilled, eg:Cactus posted:They'd better loving not change Juliet back. Slimy Hog fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Feb 7, 2015 06:10
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I'm not so sure about Juliette suddenly becoming the Chosen Hexenbiest all of a sudden, though. She wasn't one before and only became one via some strange side-effect so her being super-powerful seems unlikely. Adalind had to go through this whole elaborate ritual involving the dismemberment of another Hexenbiest and smearing its organ juices on herself, but Juliette is a more powerful one because Renard's mom forgot to carry the 3? Renard said that Adalind got a lot stronger when she got her powers back so that probably influenced how strong Juliette would become, and he also said that created Hexenbiests were very strong. Who knows how that adds up but holy gently caress yes more badass Juliette. Stabbing that manticore with it's own stinger, goddamn. 
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Feb 7, 2015 06:40
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Strabo4 posted:Renard said that Adalind got a lot stronger when she got her powers back so that probably influenced how strong Juliette would become, and he also said that created Hexenbiests were very strong. Who knows how that adds up but holy gently caress yes more badass Juliette. Stabbing that manticore with it's own stinger, goddamn. Kind of predictable, but I liked that she seemed to be coming around to it by the end of the episode. I loved her smirk just before she said "he missed."
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Feb 7, 2015 08:22
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Space Racist posted:Kind of predictable, but I liked that she seemed to be coming around to it by the end of the episode. I loved her smirk just before she said "he missed." Yeah, this plotline is great. I hope they never change her back. I see the argument that Juliette being arbitrarily super strong as a hexenbiest is somehow "unearned," but I don't really care. The show's done a pretty good job of demonstrating how strong-willed and intelligent she is, which is a real accomplishment considering how epidemic underwritten love interests are in these kinds of genre shows. Giving her a reason to exert control over her surroundings is always a good thing. And let's face it: the only other hexenbiest we've really spent any time with is Adalind. And she's not competent. Juliette as a hexenbiest should feel like Hermione Granger, compared to Adalind.
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Feb 7, 2015 08:43
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Adalind is the worst hexenbiest. It always seems like she went a hexenbiest diploma mill because of her incompetence.
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Feb 7, 2015 16:57
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Adalind is the worst hexenbiest. It always seems like she went a hexenbiest diploma mill because of her incompetence. Given what we've seen other hexenbiest do its shocking that Adalind and her mother were so insanely weak compared to the rest of them.
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Feb 7, 2015 17:17
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pasaluki posted:My whole thing is if Nick not telling Juliette about the wesen is a huge breach of trust, then what is this? So he didn't tell Juliet because he didn't want her dead, and had been told by his most trustworthy sources on the matter that secrecy was the only way to keep her safe. Juliet, on the other hand, is just hiding it so far because she's scared Nick will chop her head off? Wow, that's a definite lack of faith in her partner. Or she just doesn't want him to know she's a Wessen now, despite the fact that half of their closest friends already are. Even Nick's assumed prejudice against Hexenbiests doesn't hold up, since one of his most trusted allies is one (well, the male version, close enough) and another (Renard's Mom) came to their rescue to counteract Adalind's rapey fuckmagic. Short version, Nick had very good reason to think that hiding the truth was safer for everyone at first, while Juliet should have every reason to think that NOT hiding her condition is the best thing to do. But she's keeping it secret from Nick because... their relationship has serious communication problems. pentyne posted:Given what we've seen other hexenbiest do its shocking that Adalind and her mother were so insanely weak compared to the rest of them.
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Feb 7, 2015 18:23
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Slimy Hog posted:I suggest re-reading the last two pages after you've watched the latest episode. Many of the posts' desires are partially fulfilled, eg: Yes, I'm glad they're doing what we want for once. If I were going to make any tiny change as to how to go about it, I wouldn't have made it a case of Henrietta telling Juliet that it's impossible to change back, I'd have made it a choice and have the last scene this episode be Juliet showing up at Henrietta's place and telling her no, I don't want to go back. I have a lot to learn so let's get started. This would have given her more agency and played to how strong her character is becoming. Now all they need to do is bring Trubel back and all is forgiven.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:12
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This episode was really good, but I found it a little bit disjointed. They have so many central characters now that the scenes felt really choppy. Still, the payoff was totally worth it. Juliette stabbing the Manticore with his own stinger was unbelievable awesome. And that little smirk. "He missed." In season 2, Juliette was the worst character with the worst plot. They redeemed her beyond my wildest hopes.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:40
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Pretty good episode. I don't like Nick's ignorance/acceptance of Juliet killing the Manticore (you know, the Wesen Monroe said "are practically impossible to kill.") without some "how in the gently caress?" I thought for sure that was going to be an easy way to allow Nick in on it. Then he couldn't really be that mad because it saved her life, and she could tell him that its not the first time it has, and what? Relationship drama of "I didn't fall in love with a Hexenbeist" bullshit? It should be absolutely fine, and maybe even welcomed by Nick. As has been pointed out, he is an ally of a beist, trusts said one's mother, and obviously doesn't follow strict Grimming tradition, has other Wesen friends, etc. Oh, and from what I've seen Juliette is going to stay young looking and attractive for many decades to come. Win win.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:50
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and  if they ever introduce a storyline where the Wesen tendency to vogue when they "lose control" leads to some uncomfortable sex scenes. Go on writers, I know you have it in you.
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Feb 7, 2015 22:57
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Cactus posted:and Grimm S4: Come on, woge, let your body go with the flow
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Feb 8, 2015 00:25
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I just had a thought: when do hexenbeasts "come of age"? Is it possible Juliette was always a hexenbeast and just didn't know it? Maybe the Adalind shenanigans just kind of jump started her latent power?
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Feb 8, 2015 00:38
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Boru posted:I just had a thought: when do hexenbeasts "come of age"? Is it possible Juliette was always a hexenbeast and just didn't know it? Maybe the Adalind shenanigans just kind of jump started her latent power? Diana is six months old and has full hexenbiest powers, so potentially they "come of age" at birth. Diana's a bit abnormal, but it does appear to be during childhood. Rosalee told Trubel she began to woge when she was 13, and there was the feral Blutbad girl in S1 who disappeared aged seven and was found aged 16 in full woge. The girl's adoptive mother didn't know she was wesen, and it not seeming likely that a young wesen would be able to control the woge any better than Juliette, that implies wesen must start to woge between those ages. Puberty is most likely the trigger. Odds are also good that any hexenbiest in Portland would know Juliette's parents if they were also hexenbiests, so barring a ridiculous foundling plot she wasn't born that way.
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Feb 8, 2015 01:03
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I feel like that bitchslap would have made wogeing worse, but maybe it's a secret hexenbeist technique. 
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Feb 8, 2015 06:47
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Just caught up. The Wesen council is really bad at hiring hitmen. I would think that even human policemen would be concerned at 3 different murders in their jurisdiction all having the same m.o. If they had a hitman that used guns, I could see them using the same guy. But scorpion venom in a huge stab wound every time would probably send up some red flags. It was nice that the two guys who relay messages for the council didn't agree with the killing of Nick, since he actually found the cure to something that they have been killing children for for centuries. Here's hoping Juliette rips out Adelind's throat like she did Rosalee in her nightmare.
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Feb 8, 2015 08:43
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After this episode i am really warming up to the idea of Juliette staying a Hexenbiest.
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Feb 8, 2015 12:29
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JD Bucks 7 posted:Pretty good episode. I don't like Nick's ignorance/acceptance of Juliet killing the Manticore (you know, the Wesen Monroe said "are practically impossible to kill.") without some "how in the gently caress?" I thought for sure that was going to be an easy way to allow Nick in on it. Then he couldn't really be that mad because it saved her life, and she could tell him that its not the first time it has, and what? Relationship drama of "I didn't fall in love with a Hexenbeist" bullshit? It should be absolutely fine, and maybe even welcomed by Nick. As has been pointed out, he is an ally of a beist, trusts said one's mother, and obviously doesn't follow strict Grimming tradition, has other Wesen friends, etc. Oh, and from what I've seen Juliette is going to stay young looking and attractive for many decades to come. Win win. Yes it makes me think they're really keeping it back for some horrible drama. This was the perfect time to tell him but they decided to not go for that, expect some horrible writing in the next couple episodes.
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Feb 8, 2015 12:53
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Tbqh at this point frustratedly yelling "JUST. loving. TELL. THEM!!!" at various characters throughout the shows run has become part of what I perversely enjoy about watching Grimm. It's kind of fun to try and guess how long they're going to drag out whatever the current secret is, and to what lengths they'll stretch credulity to get there. I think this one has legs; there's a lot of frustration still that can be gleaned from it. When it gets revealed though I don't think it will be planned or go in Juliet's favour. I mean come on, you had to have laughed at the pepperpot scene and her ridiculous explanation of it to Nick, and I hope there's plenty more of that to come. Look on it as her taking revenge for all that time he kept her in the dark.
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Feb 8, 2015 13:31
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Cactus posted:I mean come on, you had to have laughed at the pepperpot scene and her ridiculous explanation of it to Nick I kind of forgot about that scene, but when it was happening I thought very highly of Juliette for actually being curious about this whole Wesen powers thing. (I also was giddy when Wu knew it was a Manticore from his research) kind of like every fan of this show would be if any of this were real. I get that it is a fantasy world and we can suspend disbelief at reactions, etc. because we obviously have no frame of reference with dealing with actual fairy-tale creatures, but if all of the sudden anyone was turned into a witch, they would be trying to levitate/ESP/whatever in no time.
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Feb 8, 2015 15:23
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JD Bucks 7 posted:I kind of forgot about that scene, but when it was happening I thought very highly of Juliette for actually being curious about this whole Wesen powers thing. (I also was giddy when Wu knew it was a Manticore from his research) kind of like every fan of this show would be if any of this were real. I get that it is a fantasy world and we can suspend disbelief at reactions, etc. because we obviously have no frame of reference with dealing with actual fairy-tale creatures, but if all of the sudden anyone was turned into a witch, they would be trying to levitate/ESP/whatever in no time. Yeah, this episode is pretty much the most interested I've been in Juliette as a character since... um... the pilot?
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Feb 8, 2015 15:59
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Good episode. Lots of plot holes, but at least it's entertaining. Juliette is bad rear end as a hexenbiest, but the "not telling Nick" thing continues to make absolutely no sense and is lazy writing. If we're really expected to chalk that up to Juliette's personality and not the writers being incompetent then I hope Nick and her never gets married as she needs lots of therapy and counseling on communication skills. Still no explanation for why nobody says "just use a bit of grimm blood". They even introduced a character with deep knowledge of Hexenbiests and who is aware that Juliette is in a relationship with a Grimm who loves her, but at no point does she bring up the easy fix either. They better introduce some kind of "plot to keep Juliette a hexenbiest" thing involving this character to explain that, but I'm sure the writers will just forget about it. Also did not buy the "not enough evidence" thing in regards to the bounty hunter, but at least there I can believe that all the characters have a vested interest in just killing off these type of interlopers rather than use the system. All in all the episode was messy as usual, but 10x better than the last one. Adalind is tolerable in a simple "villain" role, let us hope they can resist the temptation to give her any more characterization than that until she croaks.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:07
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Biomute posted:Good episode. Lots of plot holes, but at least it's entertaining. Juliette is bad rear end as a hexenbiest, but the "not telling Nick" thing continues to make absolutely no sense and is lazy writing. If we're really expected to chalk that up to Juliette's personality and not the writers being incompetent then I hope Nick and her never gets married as she needs lots of therapy and counseling on communication skills. Still no explanation for why nobody says "just use a bit of grimm blood". They even introduced a character with deep knowledge of Hexenbiests and who is aware that Juliette is in a relationship with a Grimm who loves her, but at no point does she bring up the easy fix either. They better introduce some kind of "plot to keep Juliette a hexenbiest" thing involving this character to explain that, but I'm sure the writers will just forget about it. Also did not buy the "not enough evidence" thing in regards to the bounty hunter, but at least there I can believe that all the characters have a vested interest in just killing off these type of interlopers rather than use the system. All in all the episode was messy as usual, but 10x better than the last one. Adalind is tolerable in a simple "villain" role, let us hope they can resist the temptation to give her any more characterization than that until she croaks. There is no easy fix. There is no "fix" at all. It wouldn't matter if Juliette drank an entire swimming pool full of Grimm blood, it wouldn't turn her back human. That's what Henrietta was saying. Like Nick and Hank told We earlier, this is Juliette's new normal. As for as the evidence, they kind of have too much of the wrong kind. If it was just the photos, it might work. However, they have a witness who is going to say "Yep, he killed the guy by turning into a big giant scorpion monster and stinging him with the huge stinger tail he also grow out of his rear end." There's no murder weapon because the guy grows his own weapon. Even if they somehow found a jury to convict him, there's no prison that can credibly hold him.
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Feb 8, 2015 19:53
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johntfs posted:There is no easy fix. There is no "fix" at all. It wouldn't matter if Juliette drank an entire swimming pool full of Grimm blood, it wouldn't turn her back human. That's what Henrietta was saying. Like Nick and Hank told We earlier, this is Juliette's new normal. She never said anything of the sort. If she'd gone "Nicks blood cannot drive out the infection as created hexenbiests of power are resistant" we would have a (albeit lame) nod to the world as established. That the writers did not do that means they're either totally incompetent and forgot about it, or they're underestimating their audience either by purposefully ignoring the entire thing, or by milking this development for the rest of the season only to introduce the easy fix in the finale. The witness saw him murder someone, is able to identify the person, but with the shock and the darkness in the alley their mind played tricks on them. The witness might very well rationalize their experience like that before testifying. Police looked for the murder weapon (a large poisoned dagger), but were unable to find it as the professional hitman disposed of it. I think he could easily be convicted with all the evidence they had. Whether or not a prison is able to hold him is irrelevant. They complained about the evidence, they never mentioned how they would jail him. thotsky fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 23:07
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Biomute posted:She never said anything of the sort. If she'd gone "Nicks blood cannot drive out the infection as created hexenbiests of power are resistant" we would have a (albeit lame) nod to the world as established. That the writers did not do that means they're either totally incompetent and forgot about it, or they're underestimating their audience either by purposefully ignoring the entire thing, or by milking this development for the rest of the season only to introduce the easy fix in the finale. From the writers' Twitter, it looks like they have something in mind. Whether or not they're actually able to pull it off remains to be seen...
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Feb 8, 2015 23:18
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Biomute posted:She never said anything of the sort. If she'd gone "Nicks blood cannot drive out the infection as created hexenbiests of power are resistant" we would have a (albeit lame) nod to the world as established. That the writers did not do that means they're either totally incompetent and forgot about it, or they're underestimating their audience either by purposefully ignoring the entire thing, or by milking this development for the rest of the season only to introduce the easy fix in the finale. Or Henrietta has an ulterior motive.
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Feb 8, 2015 23:34
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