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OminousEdge posted:Nah. Best way is to threaten the device you are using with a hammer. My old computers were poo poo. However, when I threatened to either work or I'd take a hammer to them, they'd magically start working. Bonus points for being snide about your threats. (That strip is nearly ten years old. I miss that comic.)
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Neurion posted:Yeah, thanks to grinding fruitlessly for the drop, Eight's actually level 32 right now, when story-wise I should be around 21 or so. I've advanced a few more hours in the story so I can fight enemies that give a 1/64 drop rate instead of the Minidemons' 1/256. We'll see how that goes That's one of the things which irritates me about drop/steal grinding. I'm running through FF5-Android right now and am nearing the end. I want some of the rare-steals from the second-to-last area of the final dungeon, but I'm trying to keep my XP grinding to an absolute minimum. In my recent forays back into the land of Final Fantasy games on my phone, there's a lot more fun to be had by avoiding grinding and staying pretty low level and It'd be nice to be able to have a "no XP" switch for those times you just want to flesh out your inventory.
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Dr_Gee posted:That's one of the things which irritates me about drop/steal grinding. I'm running through FF5-Android right now and am nearing the end. I want some of the rare-steals from the second-to-last area of the final dungeon, but I'm trying to keep my XP grinding to an absolute minimum. In my recent forays back into the land of Final Fantasy games on my phone, there's a lot more fun to be had by avoiding grinding and staying pretty low level and It'd be nice to be able to have a "no XP" switch for those times you just want to flesh out your inventory. Sounds like you should play more Bravely Default, then. Also, yay. I'm learning a lot about how to break open DQ8, it seems.
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I use my seeds to patch up deficits, so Agility and MP on Yangus, Defense on Jessica. Wisdom I don't bother with much, so Jessica I guess.
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Since I have no idea how valuable a handful of extra points are in any given stat for this game (though the usual answer for a JRPG is "not very"), I think you're the most qualified to make that decision.
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When I play, I usually patch up weaknesses. In the spirit of LP, though, I'd say feed all them fuckers to Eight.
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Geostomp posted:Since I have no idea how valuable a handful of extra points are in any given stat for this game (though the usual answer for a JRPG is "not very"), I think you're the most qualified to make that decision. Here's Eight's stats at level 41. code:So it's mostly Seeds of Magic, especially for Yangus. code:For completeness sake, here's Jessica and Angelo at the same point. respectively. code:code:
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I'm going to sit on my mountain of seeds and never use them for anything  Aside from alchemy, I guess.
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Your indecision causes Trode to make good on his threat. Throw 'em in the trash.
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I remember watching my older brother play through Dragon Warrior 4, and he tried to save all the stat-up seeds until the very end of the game and we called it Super Saiyan Trail Mix. I know this isn't helpful for your purposes, but I had a sudden attack of nostalgia.  (Also, give the Agility seeds to Yangus)
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Agility seeds should go on Angelo. I forgot what level I was at when I beat the last boss but I seem to recall Trode asking me why I was so underleveled, and literally the only reason I was ever able to survive was sticking Angelo on AI and hoping he would heal the correct person. Luckily when you put the AI on "NEVER STOP HEALING", they do good on it. Having him faster when we get to the harder bosses would make things go a lot smoother. Everything else I don't care, honestly.
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Stuff all those magic seeds down Yangus' throat because that's a terrible MP pool.
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Charlett posted:Agility seeds should go on Angelo. I forgot what level I was at when I beat the last boss but I seem to recall Trode asking me why I was so underleveled, and literally the only reason I was ever able to survive was sticking Angelo on AI and hoping he would heal the correct person. Luckily when you put the AI on "NEVER STOP HEALING", they do good on it. Having him faster when we get to the harder bosses would make things go a lot smoother. Someone didn't cast enough Acceleratle enough.
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Magic seeds down Yangus' throat, Defense Seeds down Jessica's throat and Agility seeds down Angelo's throat
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Charlett posted:Agility seeds should go on Angelo. I forgot what level I was at when I beat the last boss but I seem to recall Trode asking me why I was so underleveled, and literally the only reason I was ever able to survive was sticking Angelo on AI and hoping he would heal the correct person. Luckily when you put the AI on "NEVER STOP HEALING", they do good on it. Having him faster when we get to the harder bosses would make things go a lot smoother. It's interesting that you should say something along these lines. Given that Angelo is a healer, it's actually a very good idea to put him on AI healing. Since he's on the AI setting, he'll heal targets on the fly rather than requiring you to guess who will need it the most that turn. Granted, there are reasons NOT to put him on AI status, but it's nice that the game does provide some incentive to do so. Also; mp/agility on Yangus wisdom/defense/life on Jess Strength where you prefer mauman fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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The best thing about the AI is that it can change its moves mid-turn. If all four characters are on manual control, you pick your moves and you're stuck with them. If Angelo's on AI control and someone get hit really hard, the AI can and will choose to heal. Or maybe it's not that the AI changes moves, but the AI doesn't pick until it's that character's turn to act?
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Some Numbers posted:Or maybe it's not that the AI changes moves, but the AI doesn't pick until it's that character's turn to act? It's probably this.
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Some Numbers posted:The best thing about the AI is that it can change its moves mid-turn. If all four characters are on manual control, you pick your moves and you're stuck with them. If Angelo's on AI control and someone get hit really hard, the AI can and will choose to heal. Probably the latter. The AI is really great for dealing with most random encounters, especially if you've got a lot of attack-group or attack-all skills. Even better if they have 0 or minimal MP costs. The only change I'd make to this game's battle system is a cursor memory so I don't have to pick abilities over and over at the start of each battle.
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Some Numbers posted:Someone didn't cast enough Acceleratle enough. "Enough" would be every round because the major bosses love to remove your buffs in this game. I vote for Angelo for similar reasons. Having your healer be faster than the enemy is almost always a good thing, though there's enough randomness in DQ8's initiative system that it's not a perfect defense.
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mauman posted:Strength where you prefer  Six extra strength rings, minimum, to get all this poo poo I want. God alchemy is a terrible, wonderful system.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Six extra strength rings, minimum, to get all this poo poo I want. God alchemy is a terrible, wonderful system. You see the poo poo you had to do for DQ9's ultimate weapons and armor? Holy gently caress, 30% to get it, which requires god drat SAVE SCUMMING. I can understand Personas in 3 and 4 before the changes to the system. But seriously.
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 Angelo has no hat, initially. I set about cooking a hat for him. At 9 defense it's the best at the moment. The wonder of DQ8 is, baring some criminally good luck, alchemy never runs too far ahead of the rest of the game.  Like I said earlier, Angelo and Eight have different swords. The first sword both get is the Dream Blade, which will come about six or seven hours from now.  The world map has two levels: "uselessly-zoomed out" and this, "pretty and actually pretty goddamn handy". World maps on the internet are usually just the entire globe at this level with annotations.  Angelo is a pervert. Finally freed from the constraints of living in a place with a dozen other dudes, he's free to spread his wings and... hit on Jessica constantly. Oh Angelo.  He also knows Zoom, which has the same effect as a Chimera Wing and for 1 MP is the handiest loving thing.  I'm pretty sure this is the first and last time I'll buy a shield for Angelo and put it straight on him. Every other shield will be filtered through alchemy.  Turbans are buyable in Simpleton for 410 gold. Buyable items have consistent sale prices, in this case 210. Bandannas cost 45 gold each, so Turbans have a consistent profit. They aren't bad as something to keep cooking Besides, you're cooking an endless stream of turbans.  I have no idea why this is near Peregrin Quay. This axe has been for sale since Alexandria, and the hint for the Stone Hardhat isn't until Ascantha. Either way, I have a Stone Hardhat and no one but Yangus can use it, so gently caress it. Tiny bit of cash.     Angelo does this neat dash thing to slash an enemy. We may never see this again as you guys voted for bows.  Yangus is getting nine skill point levels so why not get the bit of Humanity I want?  Nose for Treasure tells me how many items are left to be plundered in a dungeon. I will never remember I bothered to get it.   Oh hey, neat item drop.  It's used in cheeses.  Scorpions poison and I think they can cast Buff, unless that's another scoprion somewhere.  Jessica gets her next staff spell. Magic Barrier increases resistance to spells for all allies. You remember how Yangus innately resists Frizz? The other three characters get on that level, and Yangus's Frizz resistance goes up further. It's a useful spell, since not much else can reduce a Sizzle's damage.  The red mould makes the cheese spicy. Munchie breathes even more damaging fire with this.  Eight gets his next boomerang skill, which is his first that isn't a physical attack + something. It's a Frizz-elemental attack on all enemies with a base damage of 50. Unlike his other attacks it's not decreased by defense, but as a type-A Frizz attack it's very vulnerable to resistances. Still, it's another option, and Eight learns absolutely no other Frizz-elemental moves.  Treefaces are versatile foes. They can use medicinal herbs to restore 30-some HP to an ally.  A lot of these chests contain seeds. I actually have no idea what these chests contain, just where they are.  Treefaces also can dance. I imagine any dance by a tree is weird by default.  It skips a lot of the rigamarole of random encounters and just directly reduces MP.  Tingle cures paralysis and sleep for all allies. Eight would learn this with a few points in Courage. Incidentally, Angelo learns Squelch at 3 Charisma.  The vote for Angelo went for bows. Angelo will be going into bows until level 32, mostly because his skill points suck.  Oh boy I can't even use this seed as I need a metric fuckton of strength rings to attain True Power.  South of Simpleton is... ... 2 1/256 drops. There's no way I can top that.  So the next place on the road is Ascantha. Let's go there and ask if anyone's seen any  Oh, wow. This is early for rennet powder.  I can't remember if these guys do anything.  Let's try intimidating out.  "you aint poo poo bro gently caress off"  REVENGE  Oh, apparently they turn red and summon Pan pipers. Okay.  One of these trees is... different, don't you think?    Puppeteers can do things from shocking the party with comedy to increasing the party's tension one level each. All the ones I found punched me.  W-what!?!? The Thief Key can't even open all chests? How powerful this random box in the middle of nowhere!?   "I've always wanted to wear clothes like these. They're so much easier to move around in. But mother always refused to buy them for me. She said I was a lady and I must dress as such. She called this kind of outfit 'vulgar'! She just has no idea!" Here's a little house near the bridge.  Proper noun detected in this JRPG. There's no way Emma will be irrelevant.  I need 28 of these to get the first level of reward. Mini medals, man.  Hey, I saved 420 gold by not bothering to change Jessica's armor until now!   Oh man, this Brownie is awakening to his Sayian heritage!  SSJ1 causes you to glow pink, you know.  And they have a passive damage reduction. Luckily, SSJ1 Brownie doesn't have enough HP to survive through the round.  Eight can milk cows on the spot and also has the materials to contain the milk. Each cow can be milked only once. I hope to make this a 100% cow playthrough.  With that rennet powder we got a while back and our newly aquired milk, we can finally make plain cheese. Welcome to the beginning of madness.   hey mom look im in ascantha isnt it neato  There's a church on the opposite bank from Emma's grandma's cat's house's land's location.  Not only is it a save point and a Zoom location...  But it even contains an inn! NEXT TIME: You know what they say about free rests at inns in JRPGS?
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"Oh no, you can stay for free*!" *By staying at this inn for free you hereby waive ownership of all items and agree to a tediously paced plot event that you cannot leave until completion. The inn may or may not directly be responsible for the loss of all your items, any travelling companions or your imprisonment. The town also reserves the right to charge you out the rear end for any items sold within the township.
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Oh, so maxing out Tension gives you the Kaio-ken (which I'm guessing is the reference here, as Dragon Quest is a very DBZ series, what with Toriyama's style and all). Neat thing, I guess.
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No, it's definitely super saiyin, but that only becomes obvious when the party members reach super high tension.
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I'm just going to say that you should give every single seed to Yangus, guv.
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Really tension in general follows a kaio ken logic (x5, x10, x20,and new x50) so unsurprisingly at x100 we bypass kaio ken and just go super saiyan.
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This was my first DQ, loved the hell out of it and was so let down by how terrible 9 was. Alas. Rocket Slime was pretty rad though. Definitely check party chat as often as you can, the dialogue changes constantly, especially in areas that aren't accessible by normal means.
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You know what I like about Jessica and Angelo's relationship? At no point does she ever accept his advances and after a while he gives up on her and sticks to chasing other women instead (this still pisses off Jessica, but in more of a "keep it in your pants" kind of way rather than the usual "secretly jealous").
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Why does Jessica always have intense angry eyebrows
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Acne Rain posted:Why does Jessica always have intense angry eyebrows Maybe she got the US Kirby treatment. e: nope, just as angry in the Japanese version
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Angelo might be a bit of a perv.... But he's got NOTHING on King Trode.
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mauman posted:Angelo might be a bit of a perv.... Keep in mind, he's saying this poo poo with his daughter right there.
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mauman posted:Angelo might be a bit of a perv.... That's the power of experience. I wonder if that's secretly why Angelo actually joined the party. Daw himself a once in a lifetime chance to study under a true master in the field.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Keep in mind, he's saying this poo poo with his daughter right there. His daughter is also a horse. I'm not sure how that influences things but I'm sure it does.
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Acne Rain posted:Why does Jessica always have intense angry eyebrows Toriyama
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