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FeyerbrandX
Oct 9, 2012

KataraniSword posted:

Valhalla in Valkyrie Profile is actually kinda boring! All spreadsheets and talking heads. :v:

Those talking heads have bitchin' hats. So it is improved.

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Cheez posted:

A nice little part that gets skipped over during this LP is talking to Venus after finishing the sewer. She'll try to say that the magi is fake. Obviously by this point, the jig is up and we all know Venus sucks. Still, this is a SaGa/FFL game, so we're probably going to murder every god we see at the first moment it becomes convenient anyway.

We can't risk letting her smell us! We won't be able to get back in! :ohdear:

Chokes McGee fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Feb 14, 2015

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:

Chokes McGee posted:

We can't risk letting her smell us! We won't be able to get back in! :ohdear:

Hey now, there's nothing in the rules that says we can't smell bad. Just brush off the raw sewage and get the unidentifiable gunk out of your hair and you're probably all set. How many of our party members even have hair? Two and a half? Less work for everybody.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Happy Valentine's Day, thread! Here's an update that puts the "romance" in Romancing SaGa! :h:




Chapter 14: Four Funerals and a Wedding (Part 2)







Wha...

Roy?

Did anyone see that just now?

What? Oh, yeah. That was Leon.

Oh, okay.







ow





yay





boo








thud





Oh man I am totally installing that!

Do you even know what it does?

Not a clue!




We get a Grenade drop off the MechBug! It's a step up in crowd control, so we uninstall Roy's laser sword and replace it with some heavy ordinance.

Overall, the volcano's fights really aren't that tough. If anything, it's a bit easier than the sewers since there's a lot of monsters in here that are weak against ice. Also, there's less magic-heavy foes (like O-Bakes), which means Roy and Heather are much more effective tanks.







Oh, hey! There's Leon again!

Seriously, why doesn't he just say hi or something?

Look, there's probably not a lot to do out here. Let him have his fun.













sigh







What I want to know is, how is he getting through the lava? Dude's got like a speedo and a knife.

What I want to know is, how are we getting through the lava?

Uh, we're walking? Duh.










We're going to get that, aren't we. We're going to go against all common sense and wade into molten lava specifically to open a box which may or may not kill us anyway.

Dibs!

Dib—aw.











Well, at least it was worth it.

What do those things taste like, anyway?

Blue!

Blue is a flavor?

Sure?







Leon? You know we can see you, right?

NO YOU CAN'T















The mage staff is an equippable Flame attack that uses mana as its base. We've got two mutants with fire abilities already, so we'll add it to our stash. It'll probably stay in storage until Heather absolutely must have mana raised or Sara has all her attack magic fall off the table.

The flamethrower (Fire Gun) is technically a step up from Roy's SMG, but it's not nearly as awesome as you'd expect. It supposedly does somewhere around 250 damage, but I've never seen Roy hit for more 100. I'm pretty sure it's fixed output and not mana as a base stat, so I have no idea what's going on. It might be resisted with mana, which would explain some things. Still, it gives Roy access to an elemental attack, and who doesn't want grenades and a flamethrower for their robot?













Maybe this'll protect me from the lava!





Well?

Nope.



The Fire shield, on the other hand, is a fantastic pickup. We give it to Roy, and his defense bumps up to the 40-50 range. It also has a neat trick that we'll get to in a bit, although it's of dubious helpfulness at the moment.







Oh thank saw.

Yeah. That was pretty bad.

And what's with Leon following us the whole time? I have no idea what was up with that.














Hi again, Leon!





He's... he's not that stupid. Right? He can't be.

Hey, it's what I would've done.

Which means he is that stupid, and we need to get back to the city right now.
















Alright. If we're going to take on Venus in her own city, we're gonna need to gear up.

Let's make it quick. Leon's heading for Venus, and we need to get there first.








Welcome to Cupid's Mall, customer. What is your request? Bzzt.





Oof. Those are some steep prices.

Yeah, but we've got Heather on our side.

*rattle*

How much will give us for this junk?

Whrr. Sample data indicates chance of selling is low. Beep.

Did you know gold swords are actually made of a special hardened alloy? With the right technique, you can totally cut through steel. It's like a knife through butter!

...

Let's try this again. How much will you give us?

Recalculations indicate previous error.

Better.




To pad our bank account, we dump some old gear like Roy's SMG and Heather's axe. As much as I like Heather being an axe-wielding berzerker, the Gold sword is only a tier or two back from what's in stores right now, and it shows. We grab some Army armor for Sara since she's got the worst defense out of everyone. It doesn't convey any special properties, but an extra 3 points of defense is always nice. We also pick up a new Laser sword and a load of X-Potions. We don't necessarily need to spend a lot of money here, because the volcano has some stupidly good gear. But, hey, you can't take it with you.




Alright. If Venus is anything like the other Aeons, she's gonna have magi out the wazoo. We'll have to catch her by surprise.

It just might work. I don't think she knows we found all that magi.





Crap! A guard!

Just act natural!





WHAT NO WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN

That's... actually pretty natural for us. So good job, I guess.







We're at the halfway point, so before we get on with the boss fight, let's take a look how our guys are coming along. You've already seen Heather's stats last update, so we'll take a look at everyone else.





Roy is about halfway towards max in both defense and HP. He's also stuffed chock full of guns, explosives, and the curiously inert Revenge sword. Decent strength and no real agility to speak of, but he doesn't need to get the drop on anybody, and all his weapons are either fixed-damage or counterattacks. We may change it up later, but for now, there's no compelling reason to flatten and reinstall.





Zero's stats are a bit flat. As previously discussed, it's hard to get mutants to level up. Still, you get a lot of bang for your buck with Mana, and 26 isn't anything to sneeze at. He also has access to all three elemental attacks, and that increases the chance he'll be able to double up his damage. 22 Agility is enough to do 300-400 with a gold bow, so we have a backup plan against magic-immune monsters. His defense isn't too bad, either. Keep in mind Roy's staggering 44 defense is not exactly the norm.





I have no idea what's going on with Sara. She's all over the place theme-wise and seemingly won't be steered towards any one particular loadout. Nevertheless, she's filling two odd but necessary roles: gadget mage and secondary damage dealer. With 29 agility and her laser sword, she can keep up with Heather as far as churning out the damage. I have no idea how this happened, because it certainly wasn't something I was trying to do. :raise:










Oooohohoho! Just in time, children! The...





...will be held in a moment. Please stay and attend! I'll even give you seats in the front row.

We are not going to—

...refuse! Again, that's totally generous. I'm not surprised at all.

Heather. What are you doing.

Why, thank you! Hmm. You know, there's a strapping young lad currently looking for a dinner date. Are you interested in meeting him?

Omigod! I'd love to!

...
















Woah. That's creepy.

Omigod they're such a happy couple~

How? How can you be okay with this?





Oh...

Do it, Flora. Do it.











Leon!








Drama! Excitement! Intrigue! Click here for music!











...magi!

Ohohoho. How amusing! Really, what are...





I kind of agree with her on this one.

Yeah... not really sure what his end game is here.

I think it's a pretty solid plan!

You would.








Flora. You are going to marry Niles regardless. I will not have my beautiful city's gene pool polluted by some limping, sweaty caveman. Now...





No! Leon and I are leaving together!

This is compelling drama.

Pass that over when you have a chance.





I... I... Why can't I? Why can't I do it?

Did you think I was stupid, girl? It's been conditioned in you since birth. You won't be able to do a single thing that isn't within my rules.

Your rules...?





Flora!

There. I'm no longer beautiful. You have to exile me! If you don't, I'll do it for you!

Why... you little insect! Do you how far I'd planned out your bloodline? You've forever compromised my grand vision...





Enough!





Oh, the mutant speaks for all of you now? You're lucky your friend is of purer stock than you, girl, or I'd reduce you to ash here and now.

We're gonna punch her in the face, right?

Absolutely. You okay, Leon?

Ugh... f-fine...





I get the feeling it's in better hands with you, anyway.

Thanks. Flora?

I have Leon now! That's all I care about!





But... All this time, I've never asked...





Me?

I'm Roy Butte, Jr.

And I'm gonna save everyone.




It's easy to miss the power magi here, and with a boss fight upcoming, every little bit helps. Intriguingly, this is a long cutscene that doesn't even involve your guys until Venus causes one of them to flip out. It's kind of neat how the supporting cast has a life that's not defined solely by how long your party sticks around.

Meanwhile: Nils? Your thoughts on the matter?







:stare:




Alright, Venus. Let's rumble!

You insolant cretins. I told Ashura to go out and finish the job once he poisoned Ki, but no. He just had to wait for you so he could deliver one of his stupid, pompus speeches.

Wha—you were in cahoots with Ashura this whole time?!

Are you surprised? We gods must stick together to keep lesser lifeforms in their place. Especially the bald, half-blind ones.

...

Oh well, I suppose it won't be an issue anymore. I'm going to remove you from my city of beauty—permanently.

Your city of...





Wha—How dare you—

Shut up. Just shut up. You're a fascist and a dictator and a friggin' eugenicist. You are the worst person by every possible measure. For the love of saw, I am begging you. Shut. Up.

Make me, child.









I think we can arrange that!








Boss music! This is seriously proclick








Venus is the second of the New Gods and the next major hurdle to clear. If you've been keeping up against her world's monsters, you can probably make it to the other side of this fight without any issues. That doesn't mean she's a pushover, though.




Lemme go first. I've been looking forward to this a long time!

Oooh, Zero. I had no idea you could take command like that~

?

Confidence is so sexy in a man. I can't believe I didn't see that in you before.

...





Zero! Don't listen to her, she's manipulating you!





Wha? No, I'm legitimately confused. Like, why would she even think that would work?





Guys! Try to stay on task here!




Like all major bosses in SaGa, Venus has O-Damage. That means any hits your guys land are going to be cut in half right out of the gate. (And that's after her defense is applied, which is, of course, respectably high.) As you probably guessed before the fight even started, she has Charm. She also has Sleep.







Call him ugly again! I dare you!

S-Sara?

Hmm. I see I was mistaken. He wasn't the ugly one.

Really?

No. All of you are.








:supaburn:

Ooooooooooohohohohoho




She also has Flame. And holy moly, does it hurt.

Flame is the real danger here. Venus also has a Blitz whip that does a ton of damage and, like any other whip, can paralyze for a turn. But, it's single-target, and between that and her Charm and Sleep attacks, you should be able to win the damage race... unless she starts spamming Flame. If that happens, you're gonna die. Two flame attacks in a row from someone with 50+ mana is a party wipe no matter how you prepare. Even if you have fire magi equipped, that person is going to get pasted next turn by her whip. The chances of two Flame attacks in a row are, merifcully, rare—but if it does happen, you're going to be paying Odin a visit.

Fun (well, "fun") trivia: I'm not showing it off here, but you know that Flame shield Roy picked up? When you activate it, it puts a barrier up for the entire party for the rest of the fight. That's great, right? Really useful here! Yeah. One problem with that: In FFL2, elemental gear is reversed from what you'd expect. A Flame shield puts up O-Ice. Not real helpful right now.










Ugh! You care so much for the hairless one? Fine, I'll just take care of that.








Zero!




Every now and then, she'll bust out Erase. Erase is just a straight insta-death ability; it either kills you or it doesn't. Those of you who played FFL1 may remember that O-Para not only protects against being paralyzed but also instadeath. This means Roy, with his natural and unchanging O-Para/Poi ability, is immune to instadeath! It's a neat touch that makes complete sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't really help poor Zero. It's even more unfortunate because instadeath is as unreliable for bosses as it is for your party. Dude just has the worst luck, I swear.










Nngh!





GLRP

Oh no! Hold on, Roy, I'll cure you!

You two think can defeat me? Me, the source of all beauty? Me, the sole arbiter of love? You have nothing that can harm me! There is no miracle coming to save you! I will kill you all!

SYKE, BITCH

!





Not so pretty now, are you?!




Remember how I said Heather was going to cause headaches for bosses? The reason she's largely been ignored in fights is because random mobs are almost always about sheer numbers. Roy, Zero, and Sara are geared towards group attacks, but Heather is our one-on-one girl, and she just kind of plinks away at the edges of the crowd.

Boss fights, though? There's only one target in front of her. And gods help whoever it is.

With her fire sword, 55+ strength, and power magi, Heather throws down bombs of 550 damage against Venus. Venus isn't even particularly weak against fire, and she has O-Damage. Heather does not care. She is doing so much damage that Venus' O-Damage ability can't keep up with it. And, for comparison purposes, I'd like to point out that Venus only has 2000-2500 HP or so.

Yeah.

Honestly, our entire party's damage output is kind of frightening. With Heather and Sara shouldering the load, we can easily shell out 1000 a round against bosses without breaking a sweat—which means we can drop most of them in 3-4 turns. This is very, very helpful. As I've said many times before, SaGa boss fights are damage races. If they're going to hit the entire party for 225, we need to hit them back for 550. Imagine I said that in Sean Connery's voice, because it's much more awesome that way.



















Jeez. No wonder she was such a pain in the rear end.





Everyone okay?

Yes, thanks to you.

How about you, Zero?

Did someone get the number of the wagon that hit me

Ehn, I've seen him worse. He'll be fine.

Sorry about the act earlier. I needed her to think I was on her side.

You did a pretty convincing job, too. I'm sorry we doubted you, Heather. We should've known better.

No way, I was being a total reekazoid. Odin was right. I've still got a lot to learn.

:sigh:





I doubt it helps, but... I want you both of you to know that I really do love her. I would've done everything in my power to make her happy.

It's okay, Nils. It all worked out in the end.

But Flora's face...

It's alright!





...the day I found out the most valuable thing in my life!

'Sides, scars are sexy.

Totally.

Oh! By the way...





Really?!





Let's talk outside. We'll get you hooked up as long as you promise to double-date!

It's a deal!








Feels great to make a difference!

Ugh.

How's the ribs?

Feels like somebody took them out and barbecued them. I'll live, though.

I'm glad the city's finally rid of Venus. Without her around, people'll be free to fall in love with whoever they want. No more messing around with people's hearts!

Well put. Alright, guys, that wraps things up here. Wanna see what the Nexus has next?

Yeah! Let's... ah... AAAAAAH... CHOO

*BAMF*











...

Like, gesundheit.

Thanks




Next Time: Saddle Up

Chokes McGee fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Feb 15, 2015

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Chokes McGee posted:

Shut up. Just shut up. You're a fascist and a dictator and a friggin' eugenicist. You are the worst person by every possible measure.

:hitler: The second worst! :v:

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Oh my saw incredible things can happen now :allears:
Lucky lucky!

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

My fight with Venus went super strange. She went first and charmed my mutant. My mutant used stone gaze and killed her instantly. I was a bit bummed so I reset the game just to see what the fight was like normally.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Pretty is spelled with two Ts. That being said... I hate Venus with a passion. I think she's always been the speed bump that I run into with the game. She only has 2000 or 2500 HP, but it's effectively doubled from O-Damage. And her attacks hurt like a bitch. Ironically it's usually erases I pray for when fighting her. I would rather one person dying (or it missing) than my party half-dying from Flame.

UmbreonMessiah
Nov 1, 2011

~Hey, I'm grump!~
I'm...yeah, I'm just a grump.
Oh goodness, that sound effect can mean only one thing, and it's glorious. (Bonus points for the reference, too!)

Venus has always been, to me, the most iconic part of FFL2. Somehow, an ancient handheld console with barely any space manages to create effective, memorable drama (even if it is kind of hokey). The scene always sticks out in my mind because of how much happens in this one scene compared to all the story moments of the original. Whereas FFL1 waits till the VERY END OF THE GAME to drop it's big story moment, FFL2 has it midway through the game. You just get a sense that things can only get better from here. Plus I'm just a sucker for the melodramatic love story gone awry and Flora doing anything to be with the man she loves shut up man...

For anyone who is curious by the way, Venus's stats are nice, healthy 56 across the board. That means our party is roughly half as tough as a God, while Heather is almost as strong as one. Just...drat.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Randalor posted:

Pretty is spelled with two Ts.

Look, I have to translate all these posts from Atlantiian. Mistakes get made.

(Thanks, fixed because it's an important line)

Shwqa posted:

My fight with Venus went super strange. She went first and charmed my mutant. My mutant used stone gaze and killed her instantly. I was a bit bummed so I reset the game just to see what the fight was like normally.

StonGaze can, in fact, kill bosses in this game. It's just much less reliable than FFL1. (Though to be fair, that's because it nearly always worked in FFL1.) I'd rather just straight up beat the crap out of them for the sure kill rather than wait around for something that may or may not happen.

UmbreonMessiah posted:

For anyone who is curious by the way, Venus's stats are nice, healthy 56 across the board. That means our party is roughly half as tough as a God, while Heather is almost as strong as one. Just...drat.

People reeeeeeally underestimate how far a Strength character can go in this game. They just need a lot of backup to get to the bosses, but once you deploy your tactical nuke, look out :allears:

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Venus's O-Damage doesn't affect physical attacks, actually. O-Damage covers elemental damage types: fire, ice, lightning, poison (includes the status effect, since poison status and poison damage are covered by the same bitflag), and quake. O-Weapon usually gets lumped in with status effects for some reason, which later bosses do have--but neither Venus nor Ashura does, making them vulnerable to instadeath petrification.

the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Feb 15, 2015

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Gabriel Pope posted:

There's one other trick to beating Venus too. Back in Port Town in Apollo's World, the item shop sells a unique item, SpeedUp, for 6800. Each use of it will boost the user's Agility by 20 for one combat, like the Mirror ability the Ninja used. Venus is immune to most magic attacks and frustratingly difficult to land physical hits on, but a couple uses of SpeedUp will fix that (and boost Laser Swords to stratospheric levels.)

Dang, this was gonna be part of a later update. No worries, though, everyone'll have forgotten it by them. :twisted:

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Sorry, figured by Venus it would be fair game. Later bosses are obstacles of a different nature so it's usually Venus that people use it for, if they don't have the natural stats to brute force it or petrification abilities to cheese it.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Chokes McGee posted:

Dang, this was gonna be part of a later update. No worries, though, everyone'll have forgotten it by them. :twisted:

As someone who is completely in the dark as to what's coming, I'm going to take a guess and wager that this is how Heather will actually hit bosses end game.
Or retarded cheesing that snaps the game in two completely unexpectedly, I mean, I have seen enough of the series at this point.

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat
Heather's last line made me think of this

Heres the number for my last boyfriend

Okay? :phone:

Gurgle gurgle

....

SYKE DAS DA WRONG NUMBAH!

I may just be insane though.

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.
I'm eagerly looking forward to one of the two mutants "teaching" Heather how to use magic. Since Humans actually gain magic rather quickly, it wouldn't surprise me if she catches up to, or even surpasses them with a little work.

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

Chokes McGee posted:

Why... you little insect! Do you how far I'd planned out your bloodline? You've forever compromised my grand vision...
I think there's a "know" missing here.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I like the fact that Chokes spent much of Valentine's Day working on a complex and dramatic 2-part update rather than performing, how shall I put this, his "husbandly duties". :heysexy:

By husbandly duties, I of course mean cleaning out the loft, chopping wood, getting that spider out of the bath, that sort of thing

Vault Vanderhuge
Aug 11, 2011
Behold Chunder Road
Oh man this is so great. I binge-read the first FFL LP on the archive and can't wait for more of this.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

JustJeff88 posted:

I like the fact that Chokes spent much of Valentine's Day working on a complex and dramatic 2-part update rather than performing, how shall I put this, his "husbandly duties". :heysexy:

By husbandly duties, I of course mean cleaning out the loft, chopping wood, getting that spider out of the bath, that sort of thing

Actually I had a wonderful Valentine's with Mrs. Chokes! I have it on good authority that I have, and here I am quoting directly, "that boom boom pow."

Mostly, I already had a lot of this update written and needed to extract content. Hopefully this'll be the end of two partners for a while, it was throwing off story flow but also just awkward enough that I couldn't do a single update.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

UmbreonMessiah posted:

Oh goodness, that sound effect can mean only one thing, and it's glorious. (Bonus points for the reference, too!)

Venus has always been, to me, the most iconic part of FFL2. Somehow, an ancient handheld console with barely any space manages to create effective, memorable drama (even if it is kind of hokey). The scene always sticks out in my mind because of how much happens in this one scene compared to all the story moments of the original. Whereas FFL1 waits till the VERY END OF THE GAME to drop it's big story moment, FFL2 has it midway through the game. You just get a sense that things can only get better from here. Plus I'm just a sucker for the melodramatic love story gone awry and Flora doing anything to be with the man she loves shut up man...

Venus is probably the first boss in this game that you can actually HATE, from a story perspective. There's a pretty good build up to the scene at the wedding, and after that you really, really want to kick the poo poo out of her.

The other bosses were either not around long enough (the mook who fought with the captain) or too uninteresting (Asura) for you to really care about. Venus definitely marks a turning point in the story, and it really does get better from here.

DeTosh
Jan 14, 2010
Slippery Tilde

Chokes McGee posted:

Dang, this was gonna be part of a later update. No worries, though, everyone'll have forgotten it by them. :twisted:

Yeah, that's how I defeated Venus my first few times around. After barely being able to put a scratch on her, I looked online for tips and picked up that strategy. Don't recall using it again after Venus, though.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011


Fun Fact: A friend of mine made a balance hack (mostly buffing monsters to make them more able to stand up to Humans/Mutants/Robots), and after giving it to me to run through/playtest, he mentioned that he removed Venus's vulnerability to Stone.

I learned that Venus was vulnerable to Stone by being told that a change to the version I was about to play removed it.

After all the years of Venus being a huge pain in the rear end, to learn about that the way I did was depressing to say the least. :smith:

Roar posted:

What kind of horrible monster would look at FFL2 and say "you know, these random battles aren't balanced properly enough, let's make them harder"

The bastard ones like Sprites/Ghost-types weren't buffed, but a lot of the ones that were basically 'Do One Thing, But Worse Than Humans/Robots' got buffs.

rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 16, 2015

Roar
Jul 7, 2007

I got 30 points!

I GOT 30 POINTS!
What kind of horrible monster would look at FFL2 and say "you know, these random battles aren't balanced properly enough, let's make them harder"

Male Man
Aug 16, 2008

Im, too sexy for your teatime
Too sexy for your teatime
That tea that you're just driiinkiing

Chokes McGee posted:

Hopefully this'll be the end of two partners for a while, it was throwing off story flow but also just awkward enough that I couldn't do a single update.

Sounds like you and I had very similar Valentine's Days.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Male Man posted:

Sounds like you and I had very similar Valentine's Days.

:crossarms:

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Roar posted:

What kind of horrible monster would look at FFL2 and say "you know, these random battles aren't balanced properly enough, let's make them harder"

Someone who's played it a lot, since the game is kinda easy if you know what you're doing.

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013





Your post says "two partners" instead of (presumably) "two parters".

:itisasexjoke:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Great White Hope posted:

Fun Fact: A friend of mine made a balance hack (mostly buffing monsters to make them more able to stand up to Humans/Mutants/Robots), and after giving it to me to run through/playtest, he mentioned that he removed Venus's vulnerability to Stone.

I learned that Venus was vulnerable to Stone by being told that a change to the version I was about to play removed it.

After all the years of Venus being a huge pain in the rear end, to learn about that the way I did was depressing to say the least. :smith:

Just thinking about it, was her name Venus in the Japanese version as well? If so, I wonder if her weakness to Stone is supposed to be a reference to the Venus de Milo? I wouldn't necessarily put it past them.

MisterBishop
Sep 2, 2011

Nooby engineer
What's Heather's Agility score at this point? My first time through, my Human had more Strength than Heather, but his Agility was low enough that he could never manage to hit Venus. When he finally did, it was game over for her, but it took over a dozen resets to get to that point in the battle.

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.

MisterBishop posted:

What's Heather's Agility score at this point? My first time through, my Human had more Strength than Heather, but his Agility was low enough that he could never manage to hit Venus. When he finally did, it was game over for her, but it took over a dozen resets to get to that point in the battle.

Mid teens. The whole group right now is doing well because they have a ton of stat boosting gear, but they could use another montage training session in a little bit. The only problem is their HP could get seriously inflated in the process.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Randalor posted:

Just thinking about it, was her name Venus in the Japanese version as well? If so, I wonder if her weakness to Stone is supposed to be a reference to the Venus de Milo? I wouldn't necessarily put it past them.

Well. She doesn't have a weakness, per se, it just works on her sometimes. I'm pretty sure most(?) bosses don't have O-Stone or O-Change, which are the two blockers for StonGaze/Stone/etc. O-Para is much more common amongst bosses, so Death/Erase is far less likely to work.

I think. OTOH I may just be making everything up!

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.

Chokes McGee posted:

Well. She doesn't have a weakness, per se, it just works on her sometimes. I'm pretty sure most(?) bosses don't have O-Stone or O-Change, which are the two blockers for StonGaze/Stone/etc. O-Para is much more common amongst bosses, so Death/Erase is far less likely to work.

I think. OTOH I may just be making everything up!

Checking the vast resources of the internet, Venus has O-Damage, but does not have O-Change, thus any status effect has a chance of working, but good luck with that.

Edit: The only "boss" so far that has had any kind of status resistance is Dunatis with Pa/Po what with him being a robot. Of course, having a whopping 300 hp doesn't really help him stick around.

Krumbsthumbs fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Feb 16, 2015

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

How did I miss this LP for 4 months I've been waiting for the sequel for a while. :psyduck:

I figured something was up with Heather. She'd never have been so into beauty unless it also included :black101:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Hi, everyone! Update's coming tomorrow night. Just posting a vague warning ahead of time:

Many of you have been waiting for a specific moment in this section. Be advised this has been shunted into an mini-update that Mr. S and myself will handle. I wanted to make it part of the story proper, but things, uh, did not quite go as planned. :stonklol:

To that end, please do not spoil or even hint towards secrets in this area. I want to get the full experience of watching this unfold for the thread's delight :getin:

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

I honestly can't think of what you're referring to. Looking forward to seeing what it is if I don't remember it before then.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
I'm just wondering what you're going to choose to do with it in the end, considering the narrative you've got going. I think regardless of how familiar I am with the game, I'm going to be pleasantly surprised somehow. That's my feeling, anyway.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Oh man I can't believe we are already at this point of the LP. :getin:

Arcade Rabbit
Nov 11, 2013

Genocyber posted:

Someone who's played it a lot, since the game is kinda easy if you know what you're doing.

So basically, the same reason anyone ever makes a rebalancing mod.

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Old Greg
Jun 16, 2008
I'm pumped both because I can't wait to see it in the LP and because my playthrough stalled out around Right Here and I can't wait to see what fun I could have picking it back up!

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