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For the price of a $2k xenon you could buy a dedicated streaming box with capture card and highest end i7 though. Is being able to game and stream on the same box that much of a perk? gently caress for the cost of some of the higher end xenons you could buy some insane hardware x264 encoder used by big events.
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Fajita Fiesta posted:Can anyone explain why twitch streamers keep buying Xenon CPUs Well it certainly isn't a noble endeavor. 
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If your talking like an i7 4770 vs xeon e3-1245 v3 they are the exact same processor with slightly different specs. The i7 has a 100mhz higher boost clock speed. The xeon has a better warranty and rated for 24/7/365 use and can use the intel gpu professional drivers. For streaming with quicksync I'm not sure if this is actually better but it might be. EDIT: The price of the xeon is also cheaper.
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mayodreams posted:Well it certainly isn't a noble endeavor. But what if they combine them with AMD Radon graphics cards? 
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If you're streaming and have a Nvidia card it's much better to just use the card to encode, you get almost no performance loss.
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Yeah NVIDIA has had hardware encoders on their cards since the 600 series, is there some reason they wouldn't just leverage that? Is NVIDIA's Shadowplay encoder not good at the low bitrates they stream at? Do webcam overlays and all that stuff really use up that much CPU? And yeah at some point why not just HDMI out from the gaming computer into a Blackmagic Intensity or whatever on a second computer that is dedicated just to handle the encoding and streaming?
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There are no good hardware encoders for low bitrate stuff they all poo poo out garbage quality video at that level, x264 beats the pants off them.
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Rime posted:Unless you bought an i7 920.  Mine's still going strong. It and a 560Ti seem to do just fine for everything I do.
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Fajita Fiesta posted:There are no good hardware encoders for low bitrate stuff they all poo poo out garbage quality video at that level, x264 beats the pants off them. x264 at 3500kbps which is the maximum Twitch allows looks almost as terrible as Nvenc if you're streaming at 1080p, but it is less blocky in motion.
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Fajita Fiesta posted:There are no good hardware encoders for low bitrate stuff they all poo poo out garbage quality video at that level, x264 beats the pants off them. For ShadowPlay, that's nvenc dumping at 10+mbit to the disk, which it's all fine and good at doing.
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Feb 17, 2015 15:35
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Another Skylake leak: Intel is also launching their SSD 750 series.
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Welmu posted:Another Skylake leak: What does the 4+2, 2+2 indicate?
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Tab8715 posted:What does the 4+2, 2+2 indicate? I assume it's cores + threads
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hifi posted:I assume it's cores + threads That doesn't really make sense though, unless you reverse it and it's threads + cores, because you'd never have more cores than threads. Even then wtf is a 95 watt dual core part? There's no way that exists.
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Welmu posted:Another Skylake leak: Really looking forward to those 128MB GT4e graphics benchmarks. Though I predict Intel will choose not to price those parts competitively.
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Gwaihir posted:That doesn't really make sense though, unless you reverse it and it's threads + cores, because you'd never have more cores than threads. err sorry, i mean cores and then threads per core
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Aghrr August-October? I thought it'd be like June based on the previous info. Oh well at least I'll have to do something outside this summer.
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Rastor posted:Really looking forward to those 128MB GT4e graphics benchmarks. Though I predict Intel will choose not to price those parts competitively.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What was the word on these embedded 128MB in case you're not using the IGP? Fourth level cache? Or do they go unused? You will not be able to buy that CPU on a system where will ever not use the Iris Pro.
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But that said, on Haswell it is indeed L4 cache, and it probably will be on Skylake, as well.
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Will the first Skylake CPUs include the desktop K units or are those probably going to come sometime next year? If that's the case and Broadwell is cancelled then what the gently caress?
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No announcements yet, just leaked slides and rumors. I don't even know what Skylake does except that it somehow charges iPhones wirelessly or something.
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hifi posted:err sorry, i mean cores and then threads per core Nope.
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Cores plus GPU slices? I recall the rumors that all the high-end desktop Skylakes have Iris graphics.
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LooKMaN posted:x264 at 3500kbps which is the maximum Twitch allows looks almost as terrible as Nvenc if you're streaming at 1080p, but it is less blocky in motion. Twitch allows you to stream a lot higher than 3.5 megabits, I've streamed before at 6 megabits CBR and it works fine for people with good connections. You may be thinking of partner / transcoding limits.
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JawnV6 posted:Nope. big.LITTLE cores? 
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Rakthar posted:Twitch allows you to stream a lot higher than 3.5 megabits, I've streamed before at 6 megabits CBR and it works fine for people with good connections. You may be thinking of partner / transcoding limits. They allow you to but consider it abuse and have said so in the past. They might not cut it off but they probably would if you got too many viewers. Nobody sane streams above 3.5mbps though as you're cutting out like 90% of your viewership.
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Fajita Fiesta posted:They allow you to but consider it abuse and have said so in the past. They might not cut it off but they probably would if you got too many viewers. Doesn't twitch transcode your stream to lower quality levels on-the-fly, for people who don't have bandwidth/processing power for viewing the source streams?
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Feb 18, 2015 13:24
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Only for Twitch partners, not for everyone.
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LooKMaN posted:Only for Twitch partners, not for everyone. Huh. I had no idea. My only real experience with twitch has been Desert Bus for Hope and watching A/SDGQ. I just assumed everyone got the same treatment.
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The asus hero maximus VII hero just got a BIOS update:quote:MAXIMUS VII HERO BIOS 2304 I looked up USB 3.1 and its pretty fast, up to 10gb/sec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_3.1 How is this possible in a BIOS update? Will this mean the USB 3.0 ports on the mobo now support 3.1 devices/speeds? Or even better does it make the 2.0 ports 3.1?
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r0ck0 posted:The asus hero maximus VII hero just got a BIOS update: 2.0 and 3.0 have different physical pin layouts, so that's definitely not the case. Dunno about 3.0 vs 3.1 tho, I haven't been paying attention, because I don't really care - even 3.0 is only useful over 2.0 in cases of storage devices where transfer speed matters a great deal, and I don't use any of those, so 
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r0ck0 posted:The asus hero maximus VII hero just got a BIOS update: It would have to be USB3.1 over a PCIE card or similar, as USB3.1 requires a whole new physical controller which is only just coming out to some MSI and ASRock boards.
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Maybe it just means that they can support USB3.1 devices at USB3.0 speeds.
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~Coxy posted:Maybe it just means that they can support USB3.1 devices at USB3.0 speeds. Most likely this is the correct answer. Love the release notes.
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If USB 3.1 has a different plug and controller it will take forever for adoption to occur. Everyone remember firewire?
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I'm more interested in them now supporting NVMe. Asus don't do ssds yet. And they do just about everything else.
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Darkpriest667 posted:If USB 3.1 has a different plug and controller it will take forever for adoption to occur. Everyone remember firewire? 3.1 supports better power delivery (IIRC up to 100W in any direction) and has embedded DisplayPort. You could power your monitor from your laptop or your laptop from your monitor. It's the way forward.
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