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Tomn posted:Also, huh. It was cancer that killed the Lord-Sire, not any stupid plans?
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Anyone who wears Lord-Sire's super armor is a valid target for the Gargant Slayer.
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my dad posted:Anyone who wears Lord-Sire's super armor is a valid target for the Gargant Slayer. It helps that nobody of importance in the Imperium wears helmets.
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LowellDND posted:Hunh.  So...Devries is a Chemdog made good. Tough enough to survive time in a Penal Legion, smart enough to want to get out, lucky enough to actually do so, charismatic enough to keep on ascending despite all the universe has sent against him? poo poo, I dunno, maybe we SHOULD let this fucker become the new Lord-Sire. I think he'd be better at than we would! Besides, we don't actually want to get bogged down running the ship, do we? We want to be building stuff, taking other stuff apart, and building new stuff from the parts! Who's got time for that and running a space hulk? We should really consider letting Devries run the ship while we take over as the new Magos.
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LowellDND posted:
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jng2058 posted:
You know, I'm actually gonna support this. Devries is clearly good material. The fact that he's so borderline heretic actually speaks for him, not against him. He's one of the characters more likely to be in favor of some drastic change in the way the Imperium goes. By no means do we suck up to him. We move to inherit the Magos position, and a Lord Sire knows he shouldn't gently caress with the Magos if he likes his engines to work. Besides, a Chem Dog would be good at this poo poo. And IF we DO become Lord-Sire, perhaps we could make him seneschal. Also, best way to deal with Blood Magpies. Send thieves after thieves.
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He's certainly proven his strength. But if it turns out he killed Limosa, he's going down.
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jng2058 posted:
This is crazy talk. You're crazy. gently caress Devries. He's got it coming. So our new Beau is to lead the organized military resistance against Devries, Tanya can help with special ops, Pax can dig and dig and dig with a dog for his plans and his power-bases.... We need to get a pet psyker.
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So just so it's officially out there, our medicae mechadendrite has room for six doses of drugs, I'd like to load the dream juice we have up and if possible get some De-Tox for future Devries meetups, Admylladox and Kalma are plusses too. De-Tox nulls out the effects of drugs and toxins with the fun side effects such as debilitating pain, vomiting, nose bleeding, and voiding of the bowels! Dreamjuice is fun because it makes people super receptive to being interrogated. Kalma is great because it makes people super compliant and passive so you can lead them around without fear of them running away. Admylladox is just a general painkiller  .Staying away from the combat drugs because we're already busted enough as is.  gently caress letting Devries be Lord Sire dude drug enslaved a commissar, nothing says he won't do the same to Fabulous. Successful Businessmanga fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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quote:11:35 Grognan Also who else do we know that died with massive fast growing teratomas?
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Hey, we gonna reform the Empire, we're gonna have to do a lot worse. And for all we know, that Commissar dude was a huge prick or something. The task we have before us is gigantic. We'll need all the aid we can get.
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Shogeton posted:Hey, we gonna reform the Empire, we're gonna have to do a lot worse. And for all we know, that Commissar dude was a huge prick or something. The task we have before us is gigantic. We'll need all the aid we can get.
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jng2058 posted:
NOPE! I want to see devries die. Even if he his potentially useful, he's too ambitious and too much of a pain in the rear end to let him live. Besides, we're gonna be the new lord-sire.
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[/b] No to letting Devries live. [/b] I want this fucker dead.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:47
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Get a sample of Lord-Sire's tissue at the funeral. Use a servo-skull to do it if you have to, but do it.
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my dad posted:Get a sample of Lord-Sire's tissue at the funeral. Use a servo-skull to do it if you have to, but do it. Doubt we'll even need to go sneaky with it - we're his potential heir, we can just walk up and touch him in our grief. And we can definitely take samples by touch - we did at the wedding.
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We'll probably have to touch him for cake cutting, so easy shot there.
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No matter what happens, Devries needs to die.
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I will note, in passing, that if we take up with Devries we're going to make a committed, eternal enemy of Sincera Pax. Not that she would matter much from a purely pragmatic perspective since she's just one person in an alien environment entirely dependent on our support for survival, but, y'know, it's Pax or Devries.
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The real problem though? He laughed at us. Some jumped up little drug smuggler laughed at us, a Rogue Trader and war hero. We can't allow people who laugh at us to live, it might prove infectious.
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A Darker Porpoise posted:gently caress letting Devries be Lord Sire dude drug enslaved a commissar, nothing says he won't do the same to Fabulous. We says. If we're the Magos, he doesn't gently caress with our people. Of course, if he's Lord-Sire, we don'[t gently caress with his either... Something else to consider is the way things are balancing. We've got the From Below elements, but he's got the From Above. IE, he can make it damned hard for us to exercise control of the Beast by turning the nobles and Greycloaks against us. Deals would sour, bureaucracies would thwart, contacts would suddenly become frigid. But equally, we can use our control of the lower decks to gently caress with a Lord-Sire Devries. Oops, engines aren't working. No, you can't launch any more freighters, the hangers are broken. Sorry, the port side guns won't fire. I wonder why that is? Unless you guys turn around on the Launch a Bloody Coup plan, we may not be able to rule effectively (or long) as Lord-Sire without some kind of deal with Devries. On the other hand, if we're in place to balance him as the new Magos we can do the stuff we want to do (Mechanicus stuff) rather than getting bogged down in the stuff we don't want to do (trade pacts, police the family, make money) and instead let Devries do all that for us. Face it, the dude's better at that stuff than we are. Globofglob posted:No to letting Devries live. I get the emotion, but let's turn off the meat and let the machine logic. We've got a 97% at logic, you know. Check the sheet! Do we really WANT to be Lord-Sire? Think about what that entails, and what it rules out. Do you like learning things in the lab? Lord-Sire doesn't get much lab time. Do you like exploring ancient ruins and leading your retinue? Lord-Sire rarely, if ever, leaves the Beast. Do we enjoy spending our time neck deep in family politics? Because that's most of the Lord-Sire's job. Is the accumulation of wealth your primary motive? If you're the Lord-Sire it is, or you won't be Lord-Sire for very long. Or alive, for that matter. Wouldn't we be both happier and better at our job if we were Magos instead of Lord-Sire?
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Letting Devries live is incredibly loving stupid. Even if Ohone calls a truce he's still going to try and kill her and every possible turn. She knows way too much and is way too powerful even if she decides to become Magos and forgo the whole Rogue Trader aspirations
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Colonel Wood posted:Letting Devries live is incredibly loving stupid. Even if Ohone calls a truce he's still going to try and kill her and every possible turn. She knows way too much and is way too powerful even if she decides to become Magos and forgo the whole Rogue Trader aspirations Exactly this. It's us or Devries.
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The problem is, we may show mercy to DeVries, but he won't show mercy to us. We are too powerful to tolerate.
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jng2058 posted:
We can't trust Devries. Ever. There can be no working relationship. He's proven himself a danger to any organization he's been a part of. When he's out of the way, that's it. No more heirs who can oppose us competently, unless Amacita really is playing the longest game of deep cover lunacy (which I have yet to rule out). If we're the only heir with enough clout and all the guns, we win period. The family has fallen in line before, and they will again. It's time to go to war, which we are good at. All Devries is good at is manipulating people and surviving. It's time to take his advantages away. Yes, we absolutely WANT TO BE LORD-SIRE. When we are, we answer to no one, not even the drat Inquisition. We will finally, FINALLY, have the power to do whatever we want to improve the Imperium. We can always recruit dozens of tech-priests to do our lab work for us, and reap the data without spending the time. VanSandman fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Just because we don't want to be Lord-Sire doesn't mean that Devries should be. There are other options, such as Commissar Fabulous, or a no-name.
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Fabius would make a horrible Rogue Trader, although he would be a good figurehead. Now... if only there was someone aboard the ship who is extremely experienced in shadowy finance business, and more than willing to help if given free reign by their superiors...
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Jng is operating under the assumption Devries leaves us alone if we forgo the Rogue Trader role. There's no way that's gonna happen. Why would he leave his biggest rival alive to eventually take over the Magos role and lead the biggest rival faction and increase her power? Makes no sense. Devries would likely try to kill Ohone and replace the Magos with a puppet. Truces don't mean poo poo to someone like him. Ship tradition or no, all he wants is power
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I know we hinted at it, but it feels like the biggest "crime" that Devries has committed is the whole cloning business, and it seems a much better weapon again him that just mumbling something about him being a bad man.
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While I do think that Devries would make an excellent Lord-Sire, I'm willing to consider other candidates...though really, Pax is way too lawful goody to last a year as a Lord-Sire...I just want us to pause and consider whether WE should be Lord-Sire. And the more I think about it, the more I think that we probably shouldn't. Also, y'all might want to consider the possibility that we won't be ABLE to stop Devries from becoming Lord-Sire at this point. We've been out of commission for weeks, maybe months, and he's had all that time to build power while ours was slipping away. (Which is another reason we shoulda couped BEFORE the wedding, BTW, not that I'm bitter or anything....)
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Doing a coup just as an Inquisitorial retinue is about to arrest you is bad for health.
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jng2058 posted:...though really, Pax is way too lawful goody to last a year as a Lord-Sire... Guys, I just had an idea that's even crazier and more hilarious than a wedding at a funeral. Seriously, think about it. The Adventures of Sincera Pax, Honest Rogue Trader!
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I certainly think that we should be the lord-sire, and if were not, then make fab the lord-sire and just control him from behind the scenes. Alternatively, become the lord sire then just change the rules to allow us to be magos as well.
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I don't care much who becomes Lord-Sire as long as it is not Devries, though Amacita would probably be a hilarious failure at the job.
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Tomn posted:I will note, in passing, that if we take up with Devries we're going to make a committed, eternal enemy of Sincera Pax. Not that she would matter much from a purely pragmatic perspective since she's just one person in an alien environment entirely dependent on our support for survival, but, y'know, it's Pax or Devries. This is a good argument, and I really do like Sincera Pax. So Removing my vote for breaking bread with De Vries However, might I note that if what you want is vengeance against De Vries, and not just removing him out of calculations, dumping him back on his hellish slaveworld of Savlar would likely be a fate worse than death? Seriously, Chem Dogs don't get threatened with execution. They get threatened by being sent back home.
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Shogeton posted:This is a good argument, and I really do like Sincera Pax. So Removing my vote for breaking bread with De Vries We ought not to care about punishing him. He's a piece of grit in our machine. We remove the grit and dispose of it, we don't need to worry about making the grit sorry for what it's done.
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Colonel Wood posted:Jng is operating under the assumption Devries leaves us alone if we forgo the Rogue Trader role. There's no way that's gonna happen. Why would he leave his biggest rival alive to eventually take over the Magos role and lead the biggest rival faction and increase her power? Makes no sense. Devries would likely try to kill Ohone and replace the Magos with a puppet. Truces don't mean poo poo to someone like him. Ship tradition or no, all he wants is power Well there's a few of things about that. First of all, Devries never tried to kill us. WE tried to kill HIM. Sure, he was going to blackmail us, but that's not the same as killing us. LIMOSA was the one who sicced the poor Rogue trader kid on us, not Devries. Secondly, if he wanted to kill us, he probably could have. He's got the Alien Artifact of Improved Invisibility. Remember all that time we spent unconscious getting implants put in? How hard would it have been to use the Artifact to slip in and drop a melta-bomb under the operating table? And before you tell me about how invincible the Magos' security around us was, recall that WE used the damned thing to steal from the Magos' secret vaults! Even if he didn't do it then, he could have while we were just walking around on the planet or on the Beast or even while locked in a cell! Thirdly, we're talking about Balance of Power. If we've got a tight enough control over the parts of the ship that make it go, Devries can' afford to kill us. The Beast needs to move to be worth anything and as Magos, we're the one who makes it move. Fourthly, "all he wants is power" describes the last Lord-Sire too. In fact it probably describes ALL of them. Certainly it describes all the successful ones. The fact that we don't just want power is another reason we're not good for the job! Tomn posted:Guys, I just had an idea that's even crazier and more hilarious than a wedding at a funeral. ....  Well, we wouldn't last a year, but it'd be an INTERESTING year at least.
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jng2058 posted:Fourthly, "all he wants is power" describes the last Lord-Sire too. Didn't the last Lord-Sire spent the early days of his reign getting rid of all the former rivals to his position?
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Tomn posted:Didn't the last Lord-Sire spent the early days of his reign getting rid of all the former rivals to his position? Yes he did.
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