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Brodeurs Nanny posted:Look out NHL, we could go into the season with a down the middle of Zajac-Sutter-Josefson-Gionta Gomez will be back
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Winnik returned more than Tlusty or Bergenheim and the Leafs added a 2nd instead of pissing theirs away as usual. I'm pleased. Hand Knit didn't you mock McKeown endlessly for some reason?
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You can see James Duthie is making no bones about expecting TradeCentre to suck something fierce on Monday. He's suggested making it a karaoke day on Twitter.
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eXXon posted:Winnik returned more than Tlusty or Bergenheim and the Leafs added a 2nd instead of pissing theirs away as usual. I'm pleased. hes a frontenac
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eXXon posted:Winnik returned more than Tlusty or Bergenheim and the Leafs added a 2nd instead of pissing theirs away as usual. I'm pleased. Hand Knit is contractually obligated to mock anyone that plays for Kingston.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:22
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Zodijackylite posted:The Hockey News has gone crazy with deadline speculation. HFboards-level crazy. My friend recently sent me a text saying he heard a rumour for Lupul for was one of Thomas, Eller, or some other guy. I wonder where he read that, why I haven't seen it, and if the Hockey News is reading the same "source" as my friend?
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Feb 26, 2015 01:47
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Zodijackylite posted:Could Pittsburgh somehow work it out so that Jagr's cap hit is LTIR space from Pascal Dupuis being done for the season? Same base cap hit of 3.5m. IIRC the pens have about 1 mil in cap space (dunno how the Winnik trade changes that) because Dupuis played through October and I think some of November, then they traded for Perron in early January who has a similar cap hit as Dupuis.
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from McKenzie's mouth to your eyes: “One name that’s been linked to the New York Rangers is Tyler Bozak, a center with the Toronto Maple Leafs, who would not be an easy deal to do because of the financial implications. Bozak has term and dollars left on his deal, so it’s not easy for a cap team like the New York Rangers. But at least that’s one player’s name who’s out there as maybe the Rangers having some interest if they could find a way to facilitate the dollars.” lots of qualifiers there, but that would qualify for a typical Sather stupid move
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Feb 26, 2015 02:18
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So with Sekera being worth a first rounder plus stuff, what would Philly get for trading Coburn? He's at least as good as Sekera, and on a really good contract. I really don't want to lose him, but another first round pick would be groovy.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:27
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Aye Doc posted:from McKenzie's mouth to your eyes: He usually signs the bad players to bad contracts though.
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Mike_V posted:He usually signs the bad players to bad contracts though. Hey now, to be fair Sather is way more complex than that. He also does the whole "trade all your draft picks for an aging former superstar" thing as well.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:34
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Bozak makes no sense for the Rangers. He makes too much money and isn't better than Stepan or Brassard so you end up having to move significant salary to get an overpaid 3rd line center on your team and you have a cap crunch coming up during the offseason when you need to sign your actual #1 center and some other important forwards. On top of that the return the Leafs would be asking for would likely be too pricey...if the Rangers couldn't get in on Winnick or Santorelli then why would they blow up the team for Bozak. It basically sounds like something a Leafs fan made up because they heard the Rangers need a center who can win faceoffs.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:04
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Gonna laugh when Sather trades Glass and a 4th to TOR for Bozak and half his salary retained.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:11
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I just looked up Sather's trade history and pretty much every trade since 2007 was either good(ish) or a non-factor with the exception of like Jody Shelley, Ryane Clowe, and maybe Roszival for Wolski. It's July 1st when he makes me sweat.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Gonna laugh when Sather trades Glass and a 4th to TOR for Bozak and half his salary retained. And it would still be considered a win for Toronto
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grack posted:And it would still be considered a win for Toronto Getting rid of Glass would make it a wash.
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Aye Doc posted:lots of qualifiers there, but that would qualify for a typical Sather stupid move except sather's trades are usually good so a "typical stupid sather move" should only refer to signings
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As nice as it is to see Sill go, this is kinda sad (dana heinze is the pens equipment manager): Dana Heinze @RealDanaHeinze 4h4 hours ago Packed up Zach Sill's gear -he is headed off to Toronto. Zach is a great guy and we wish him all the best w/The Leafs  https://twitter.com/RealDanaHeinze/status/570740061093941248
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Dana Heinze's twitter is really cool in a spergy way if you like seeing pictures of locker rooms, hockey equipment, and other random behind the scenes stuff. I'm pretty sure he's made it his mission in life to photograph and post to twitter every square inch of Console Energy Center no matter how mundane, as well as arenas the Pens visit on the road.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Dana Heinze's twitter is really cool in a spergy way if you like seeing pictures of locker rooms, hockey equipment, and other random behind the scenes stuff. I'm pretty sure he's made it his mission in life to photograph and post to twitter every square inch of Console Energy Center no matter how mundane, as well as arenas the Pens visit on the road. I've read some articles about him and it's pretty insane how many hours equipment guys work. Think Heinze said he routinely works like 50 hours
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Ginette Reno posted:I've read some articles about him and it's pretty insane how many hours equipment guys work. Think Heinze said he routinely works like 50 hours 50hrs is insane ?
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Feb 26, 2015 05:44
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My cousin's daughter got a Zach Sill bobble-head as a giveaway at a game a couple of years ago and gave it to me for my birthday. It sits on my desk and reminds me how much our fourth line sucks. Now I can look at it and laugh at Toronto.
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Feb 26, 2015 05:45
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poser posted:50hrs is insane ? hey man I work for a startup
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Feb 26, 2015 05:47
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Welp congratulations on your third Stanley Cup Kings Petry is the only decent rental defencemen left (The Wiz won't be moved with his trolling the NMTC)
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Feb 26, 2015 05:58
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50 hours a day. The man has some unreal dedication.
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ive always wondered what would happen if they moved him to a team that refused to honour his NTC that promptly traded to a team that wants him
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Obama Yo Mama posted:I just looked up Sather's trade history and pretty much every trade since 2007 was either good(ish) or a non-factor with the exception of like Jody Shelley, Ryane Clowe, and maybe Roszival for Wolski. It's July 1st when he makes me sweat. Yea but look at his UFA signings... Redden... Holik...Drury...  (I think those were all UFA's, and Gomez? but maybe he was a trade if I remember right)
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Hirez posted:Yea but look at his UFA signings... Redden... Holik...Drury... Gomez was Sather's worst signing and also by far his best.
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i guess lorne henning was in ottawa, speculatively to look at weirdcock. i want him on the canucks
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eXXon posted:Hand Knit didn't you mock McKeown endlessly for some reason? Sic Semper Mavety
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Gomez and Drurys first two years weren't bad, considering. Just weren't quite producing for the money spent. Then they traded Gomez and Drurys knee fell apart. Redden was a far worse signing as he was always bad
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Hirez posted:Yea but look at his UFA signings... Redden... Holik...Drury... As much as I complain about most of those, they were mostly bad because of the looming specters of those massive contracts, which Sather did away with brilliantly. Gomez spent two seasons with the Rangers, in which he put up 70 and 58 points. That first season he was second, by one point, to Jaromir Jagr, and the second season he led the team in scoring, tied with Nik Zherdev. Drury tied Jagr for the team lead in goals, then was two behind Markus Naslund the next year. Naslund was the old goal scorer to replace Shanahan. Redden and Rozsival gave a team with pitiable defensive depth a little something to work with, but they were both overpaid and underwhelming as #1/2. However, the Rangers basically had no depth otherwise, and had to blow some of that $20m+ in cap space one way or another. 2008-09 Rangers depth without those guys: Center: Dubinsky-Betts-Fritsche-Anisimov-Rissmiller (Arty played one game that year) Defense: Girardi-Staal-Mara-Kalinin-Potter-Reitz-Sauer (those last three played a combined 19 games that year) That depth was bad enough that the Rangers acquired Antropov and Morris at the deadline to shore it up, even with the big-four contracts.
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Yeah, people seem to forget that Gomez and Drury were actually quite effective their first couple years. Redden was way overpaid and a product, for the most part, of playing with Chara. But again, Sather weasels his way out of big contracts really well and now he seems to have learned his lesson. And his trades are great. I'm pretty positive the Rangers will add someone to bump Glass from the lineup and move Hayes to wing.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:I'm pretty positive the Rangers will add someone to bump Glass from the lineup and move Hayes to wing. More like bump Stempniak from the lineup
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Levitate posted:More like bump Stempniak from the lineup When Fast comes back, yes, Glass/Stempniak should be the extra forwards.
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quote:Mark Lazerus @MarkLazerus 2h2 hours ago I'll take a first flipped to somebody else along with some other parts for a top-six winger.
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Gomez was never bad as a Ranger, but it was clear that his contract was massive and he was declining. The biggest problem is that, while he was never a good playmaker, he was the by far the worst shooter I've ever seen with a legitimate claim to being a top line center. He scored 33 goals one year while shooting at 13.5% one year, but other than that, he shot 9% his first two years, but he was otherwise a 6% shooter who opponents knew was always going to pass, and he just completely lost effectiveness because of that. He remained very effective as a power play passer with the Habs for two years, but as he stopped getting the benefit of top linemates, he couldn't even stay in that 10-19 goal range he had always been in. One of the reasons Sather never ceases to amaze me. He traded Rozsival's contract for Wolski's, then he traded Wolski for an AHL defenseman and a third-round pick in 2013. The Rangers had four third-round picks that year, until they unfortunately traded one for Ryane Clowe. The other three were used to select Pavel Buchnevich, Anthony Duclair, and Adam Tambellini, who all seem to be looking pretty good for third-round picks. Two potential top-six forwards and a guy projecting to likely be a good 3rd-4th liner.
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CBJSprague24 posted:I'll take a first flipped to somebody else along with some other parts for a top-six winger. Asking price was a first and a prospect last week, a first this week, and hopefully it'll be a second and Danny Kristo on Monday.
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Zodijackylite posted:Gomez was never bad as a Ranger, but it was clear that his contract was massive and he was declining. The biggest problem is that, while he was never a good playmaker, he was the by far the worst shooter I've ever seen with a legitimate claim to being a top line center. He scored 33 goals one year while shooting at 13.5% one year, but other than that, he shot 9% his first two years, but he was otherwise a 6% shooter who opponents knew was always going to pass, and he just completely lost effectiveness because of that. He remained very effective as a power play passer with the Habs for two years, but as he stopped getting the benefit of top linemates, he couldn't even stay in that 10-19 goal range he had always been in. Gomez's worst problem was that for a guy you expected to create a lot of assists, he really didn't see the ice all that well. He'd fly up the ice through the neutral zone and gain the offensive zone just fine but instead of waiting for his teammates to catch up with him, he'd just throw a weak wrister on net if no one was around. If someone was with him he'd likely try to force a pass through a defender. He basically got a lot of assists by just throwing the puck around and some percentage of them actually got through. Current Rangers like Brassard and Zucc are better overall passers I think or are at least more creative
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Levitate posted:Gomez's worst problem was that for a guy you expected to create a lot of assists, he really didn't see the ice all that well. He'd fly up the ice through the neutral zone and gain the offensive zone just fine but instead of waiting for his teammates to catch up with him, he'd just throw a weak wrister on net if no one was around. If someone was with him he'd likely try to force a pass through a defender. He basically got a lot of assists by just throwing the puck around and some percentage of them actually got through. Current Rangers like Brassard and Zucc are better overall passers I think or are at least more creative it was so fuckin weird to watch him play. he might have been the single most elite player i've ever seen at gaining the offensive blueline and had no goddamn clue what to do with the puck after that
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