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George posted:Thank you for putting me down so gently, Bobbin. Can I have my 50 gold back? No. I may be hunting down my parents' murderer, but I'm no saint here.
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I just saw the William Steele video and I have to ask - why do the barracks in the sewers have a privy? It's in the sewers. Just step outside the barracks and have at it.
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Mar 6, 2015 23:05
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It's rather hard to squat with your bum over the soup balanced like that. Far easier to sit on a bucket then toss that into the soup.
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Mar 6, 2015 23:19
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Cartheon posted:I just saw the William Steele video and I have to ask - why do the barracks in the sewers have a privy? It's in the sewers. Just step outside the barracks and have at it. They need somewhere to hang the loo roll
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Mar 6, 2015 23:40
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I looked up some stuff about House of Leaves and...the gently caress  
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Mar 8, 2015 03:02
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Good old House of Leaves  One of the classics: "It's a book about a book about a film about a house that is a labyrinth. In short, it's a book that is a labyrinth."
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Mar 8, 2015 03:04
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I had to read that book for a course on Post-Modernism. The teacher wasn't impressed when I called it a "... pretentious pile of words that has more in common with standing in the middle of a screaming crowd than any sort of narrative" Apparently I don't "get" post-modernist thought. Who knew?
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Looking at that 1; makes my brain hurt and 2; makes me go "dang" because I've been writing a short story that does stuff like that and I thought I was being unique. Whelp, time to add another book to the buy list. Edit: 'Stuff like that' meaning the strange page layouts and typographic weirdness. HnK416 fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 03:16
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HnK416 posted:Looking at that 1; makes my brain hurt and 2; makes me go "dang" because I've been writing a short story that does stuff like that and I thought I was being unique. You ever read Bester's classic "The Demolished Man"? It uses those tricks quite well. Book's about psychics, and it uses all sorts of typography tricks to indicate how their communications work.
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HnK416 posted:I looked up some stuff about House of Leaves and...the gently caress I really liked House of Leaves, but didn't care for his follow-up (Only Revolutions). Both books, however, are must-haves on the shelf for all of the crazy and awesome typography. HoL may devolve into pure PoMo grandstanding, but there's still a lot of impressive writing, good horror, and plenty to talk about. Highly recommended, and if you hate it I don't take it back.
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Mar 8, 2015 05:58
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I always found House of Leaves more a piss-take an criticism of post-modernism (and academia) than necessarily post-modernist grandstanding. Then again, that and the Illuminatus! Trilogy are my two favorite books of all time, so I'm a bit of an odd duck I s'pose.
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berryjon posted:I had to read that book for a course on Post-Modernism. The teacher wasn't impressed when I called it a "... pretentious pile of words that has more in common with standing in the middle of a screaming crowd than any sort of narrative" The correct response to the teacher being unimpressed is "Oh, I get what the text is trying to do and that the author was clever at a meta level, but cleverness at the meta level does not a good book make. It is still pretentious diahrea of the mouth."
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Mar 8, 2015 18:00
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Which actually works for House of Leaves because while a good book is definitely could've used much, much harsher editing.
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HnK416 posted:I looked up some stuff about House of Leaves and...the gently caress  Seriously what Like jesus I thought it was like maybe some passages skipping or something but not THIS clusterfuck holy poo poo this looks crazy. I REALLY wanna read it now just to experience this.
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Mar 8, 2015 22:59
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It's pretty neat for what it is! Expeeeeeerimental literature. A narratively better and more accessible example would be The Raw Shark Texts by Steven Hall. I kind of like books that use the page space as a tool for progressing the narrative, even if they can be a little pretentious. I gotta say I found the rest of Danielewski's work to be loving unreadable.
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So, ignoring the page layout gimmick for a moment (incredible though it may be), is it a well-written  ?
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Cartheon posted:The correct response to the teacher being unimpressed is "Oh, I get what the text is trying to do and that the author was clever at a meta level, but cleverness at the meta level does not a good book make. It is still pretentious diahrea of the mouth." And then the entire class stood up and applauded as I donned my fedora and walked out.
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double nine posted:So, ignoring the page layout gimmick for a moment (incredible though it may be), is it a well-written The ending is a bit precious, but yes. It will make you feel things, especially in the dark and every time you walk into an anteroom.
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Prop Wash posted:And then the entire class stood up and applauded as I donned my fedora and walked out. Typically such discussions happen during office hours rather than in the middle of class, but if that's how you want to handle it...and you wear a fedora, sure.
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It's also dense as gently caress. I've been reading it for something like 2 years now and I'm about halfway done because I need time to digest.
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Maybe I'm just dense, but as far as I could tell all the funky typography stuff had no actual bearing on the contents of the book. There's a couple of tricks that are kind of neat (like every single instance of the word "house" being blue/purple) but otherwise it pretty much seems like grandstanding. And the vast majority of the book is a textual description of a fictional film, so you could totally film it, by making said film. (I did like most of it. The core concept is really neat, in particular.)
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malkav11 posted:Maybe I'm just dense, but as far as I could tell all the funky typography stuff had no actual bearing on the contents of the book. There's a couple of tricks that are kind of neat (like every single instance of the word "house" being blue/purple) but otherwise it pretty much seems like grandstanding. There's a chase sequence in the book that has only a few short sentences a page so you find yourself constantly flipping quicker and quicker to mirror the frantic pace of the people running. Not to mention the bits where there's twisty passages where you find yourself having to turn the book around to read the words so it feels like you're climbing own a hole.
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I didn't finish the book, but if I recall correctly, pretty early an editor writes his own story into the footnotes, and eventually those footnotes take entire pages over. So at least sometimes those different parts of the page are different threads of the plot.
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Aithon posted:I didn't finish the book, but if I recall correctly, pretty early an editor writes his own story into the footnotes, and eventually those footnotes take entire pages over. So at least sometimes those different parts of the page are different threads of the plot. Anyway, yes, the layout is used in several very clever ways to accentuate what you are reading about.
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There's actually something like four or five different 'books' that sort of interweave between each other. And the footnotes, oh god the footnotes. There are footnotes with footnotes that reference prior footnotes several hundred pages before, sometimes the footnotes they reference don't actually exist or they do exist but only as an empty space with a reminder by the author to himself to write the footnote later. "A book that is a labyrinth" really is the best description I've ever heard for it; it's a literary maze.
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Mar 9, 2015 09:03
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It is a book where anyone that makes their way through it confuses the sense of relief with one of enjoyment. Like the Silmarillion.
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At least at no point in House of Leaves does the book take a 3 page time-out to describe Elven filigree 
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Silmarillion is beautiful. My favorite history textbook ever.
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The Name of the Rose, depending on how you read it, is either a historical mystery novel, a treatise on classical and medieval philosophy, or both.
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I read North European family sagas and collections of traditional stories and legends for fun. The Silmarillion was still an arduous slog.
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Speaking of books, I've got a bonus surprise waiting on my Youtube channel.   South Quarter Sluices Whiteridge's Duty: The Constant Lady Client Loot: The Talking Skull
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Re: Toughness: http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/featbox.pl?feat=Improved_Toughness It's exactly like the "much better toughness feat in pathfinder" and available to all E6 characters.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Speaking of books, I've got a bonus surprise waiting on my Youtube channel. Dailymotion says this episode has been removed. 19 is there though.
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Oh good it's not just me then. I was wondering if something had gone horribly wrong.
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Illyria? Glad to see they don't even bother to make up new names.
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Mar 9, 2015 18:12
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These side missions seem to have a lot more care and effort put into them than the main story has. Maybe they were made by the old dev team.
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Mar 9, 2015 18:13
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By the old dev team you mean one of the teams involved in a previous development cycle of Thief 2014 before one of the many massive staff turnovers? It seems possible or at least probably like a small team separate from most of the main game. If you mean the development team of Thief 1, 2, or 3 they were not involved in the project. I wish the team that made the side missions had made the whole game. Maybe it would have been less stupid then.
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asvodel posted:I wish the team that made the side missions had made the whole game. Maybe it would have been less stupid then.
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The_Hatt posted:Dailymotion says this episode has been removed. 19 is there though. Yeah, I don't really get what's different about it, but I can't reupload it again so it's Youtube or nothing.
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