EPL March: Chelsea are going to win everything for the foreseeable future

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Bea Nanner: Oct 20, 2003; Je suis excité!

It doesn't matter when Wenger leaves, it matters who will replace him.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:12

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Wenger should walk

to united

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:17

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

I do like that Stoke, noted team with only one style, ruled with an iron fist by a tin pot despot who shaped the entire structure in his image, managed to successfully find a new manager and staff and build a working support structure while improving both in terms of playstyle and league position. If some poo poo club from the midlands can do it the biggest club in the world should be able to.

What I am saying is find a local lifelong fan who is almost a multibillionaire with children who have decades of experience in C level positions of internationally successful businesses and have them run your club.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:17

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Byolante posted:

What I am saying is find a local lifelong fan who is almost a multibillionaire with children who have decades of experience in C level positions of internationally successful businesses and have them run your club.

United literally have that, except for the important part.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:19

The Big Taff Man: Nov 22, 2005; Official Manchester United Posting Partner 2015/16; Fan of Britches

Byolante posted:

I do like that Stoke, noted team with only one style, ruled with an iron fist by a tin pot despot who shaped the entire structure in his image, managed to successfully find a new manager and staff and build a working support structure while improving both in terms of playstyle and league position. If some poo poo club from the midlands can do it the biggest club in the world should be able to.

What I am saying is find a local lifelong fan who is almost a multibillionaire with children who have decades of experience in C level positions of internationally successful businesses and have them run your club.

Yeah Stoke and United are identical.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:27

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The Big Taff Man posted:

Yeah Stoke and United are identical.

Give it a few years

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:44

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Byolante posted:

I do like that Stoke, noted team with only one style, ruled with an iron fist by a tin pot despot who shaped the entire structure in his image, managed to successfully find a new manager and staff and build a working support structure while improving both in terms of playstyle and league position. If some poo poo club from the midlands can do it the biggest club in the world should be able to.

What I am saying is find a local lifelong fan who is almost a multibillionaire with children who have decades of experience in C level positions of internationally successful businesses and have them run your club.

Going from 13th to 9th is a lot easier and cheaper than getting back into the Champions League places once you're out, let alone winning titles again.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 15:57

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# ? Mar 10, 2015 17:07

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Blue Star Error posted:

Going from 13th to 9th is a lot easier and cheaper than getting back into the Champions League places once you're out, let alone winning titles again.

I fully agree with what Mourinho said a few years ago, in that at the top clubs there is usually very little disparity in player ability, so it comes down to momentum and mentality to decide who has success and who doesn't most of the time (iirc I think he singled out Ronaldo as one of the few players who is a class ahead of the usual top club players).

So BSE is right here, because when a team suffers a (relative to them) big setback, it seems much harder to come back from that. Once Manchester United finished outside the CL places it was always going to be a struggle afterward, the teams mentality is likely shot, they're not the kings of the Premier League anymore. Momentum has clearly shifted. It's the same problem Liverpool was always going to have once Gerrard slipped lol, you're not getting that mentality back short of a miracle.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 17:13

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The Big Taff Man posted:

The bit thats the most frustrating at United at the moment is theres no semblance of play, the whole tactic seems to be built for someone to need to produce a moment of magic that creates something out of nothing - theres absolutely no flow in the team. I look back over this season and I cant think of a single game where Ive come out thinking "their keeper has played well", but I can think of a load where De Gea has saved us. Look at last night - aside from the goal what has their keeper had to do?

I'm not asking for champagne football - the pundits and fans who think we played champagne football in the last 2 seasons of Fergies reign are drinking the kool aid. The year Fergie left was a title winning team driven by Fergies determination to go out on a high and the form of RVP. We didnt play good football at that time. It was also in this last year that Fergie let Pogba leave on a free at the start of the season and signs Wilfred Zaha for 15 million at the end of the season.

Then youve got the Moyes and Woodward fiasco which set us back not only several paces but shot us back to 7th in the league. You then have 3 of our regular back 4 leave because they dont feel they can play under Moyes (personally I would have kept Vidic and Evra if only for dressing room reasons tho I can understand Evra leaving as Shaws arrival was imminent). I heard some bollocks about Moyes not being backed - he spent 27 million on Fellaini (could have got him for 4 million less and had another month of training with him if he moved quicker) and then 37ish on Mata who was totally on the out at Chelsea. Then he played both of them in the wrong positions / tactics for them. He also clearly set up the deal for Shaw (another 30 million) and I was told the Herrera deal was put in place by Moyes too (30mill again!).

LVG comes in and the clubs a shambles to be honest but he seemed to be the right guy for the job (I say seemed, Im still fully behind him for another season). But then you have the only defensive signing being Shaw? I think Rojo is a decent buy, and I think Blind was a good for the money he paid for him (compared to the money we've paid for other people), tho I'm not sure you should ever play him and Carrick together in midfield. Herrera signing I dont think was his and I think thats why he has a lack of faith in him - I can see why he brings Herrera off and doesnt play him at times, he can be careless on the ball and his movement isnt always what I'd expect. I think Herrera will end up being class tho.

Di Maria was a massive risk. Early on he looked fantastic. Then all of a sudden his tricks stopped working, then his house gets broken into and he uproots his family to live in a hotel and he goes so awful that he gets hoked off after one of of the worst performances Ive ever seen against Sunderland. Match of the Day didnt do it justice, he couldnt even pull off a simple pass. Last night he was at it again - tho his cross for the goal showed his class. His heads gone and he's needed dropping for a few games for a while, the red card is probably a good thing for him. What I dont understand with him is where he needs to play. He had his best spell at Madrid in centre mid, I thought he was more a left winger when he signed but he's been played on the right.

Someone said to me recently that they think that this season got scrapped midway through by LVG, and he stopped trying to implement his tactics on the team and instead started playing knockout football as if it was a tournament, built just to get a result and get us back to the champions league so he can spend a full summer working on the team. I just worry what happens in the summer. We clearly need at least one centre back, and a right back. Falcao isnt going to stay, and as much as I'd love him to be a success LVG has no faith in him (he warmed up for about 15 minutes last night and looked a broken man when Januzaj got called back to the bench to come on while they were both warming up). So thats now 1 CB, 1 RB, 1 ST and you can probably chuck another midfielder in as needed too, 2 if you want to go back to playing wingers.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 19:46

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Just read that Falcao's starting for Man U's under 21 tonight. Wow

# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:21

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The Big Taff Man posted:

The bit thats the most frustrating at United at the moment is theres no semblance of play, the whole tactic seems to be built for someone to need to produce a moment of magic that creates something out of nothing - theres absolutely no flow in the team. I look back over this season and I cant think of a single game where Ive come out thinking "their keeper has played well", but I can think of a load where De Gea has saved us. Look at last night - aside from the goal what has their keeper had to do?

I'm not asking for champagne football - the pundits and fans who think we played champagne football in the last 2 seasons of Fergies reign are drinking the kool aid. The year Fergie left was a title winning team driven by Fergies determination to go out on a high and the form of RVP. We didnt play good football at that time. It was also in this last year that Fergie let Pogba leave on a free at the start of the season and signs Wilfred Zaha for 15 million at the end of the season.

Then youve got the Moyes and Woodward fiasco which set us back not only several paces but shot us back to 7th in the league. You then have 3 of our regular back 4 leave because they dont feel they can play under Moyes (personally I would have kept Vidic and Evra if only for dressing room reasons tho I can understand Evra leaving as Shaws arrival was imminent). I heard some bollocks about Moyes not being backed - he spent 27 million on Fellaini (could have got him for 4 million less and had another month of training with him if he moved quicker) and then 37ish on Mata who was totally on the out at Chelsea. Then he played both of them in the wrong positions / tactics for them. He also clearly set up the deal for Shaw (another 30 million) and I was told the Herrera deal was put in place by Moyes too (30mill again!).

LVG comes in and the clubs a shambles to be honest but he seemed to be the right guy for the job (I say seemed, Im still fully behind him for another season). But then you have the only defensive signing being Shaw? I think Rojo is a decent buy, and I think Blind was a good for the money he paid for him (compared to the money we've paid for other people), tho I'm not sure you should ever play him and Carrick together in midfield. Herrera signing I dont think was his and I think thats why he has a lack of faith in him - I can see why he brings Herrera off and doesnt play him at times, he can be careless on the ball and his movement isnt always what I'd expect. I think Herrera will end up being class tho.

Di Maria was a massive risk. Early on he looked fantastic. Then all of a sudden his tricks stopped working, then his house gets broken into and he uproots his family to live in a hotel and he goes so awful that he gets hoked off after one of of the worst performances Ive ever seen against Sunderland. Match of the Day didnt do it justice, he couldnt even pull off a simple pass. Last night he was at it again - tho his cross for the goal showed his class. His heads gone and he's needed dropping for a few games for a while, the red card is probably a good thing for him. What I dont understand with him is where he needs to play. He had his best spell at Madrid in centre mid, I thought he was more a left winger when he signed but he's been played on the right.

Someone said to me recently that they think that this season got scrapped midway through by LVG, and he stopped trying to implement his tactics on the team and instead started playing knockout football as if it was a tournament, built just to get a result and get us back to the champions league so he can spend a full summer working on the team. I just worry what happens in the summer. We clearly need at least one centre back, and a right back. Falcao isnt going to stay, and as much as I'd love him to be a success LVG has no faith in him (he warmed up for about 15 minutes last night and looked a broken man when Januzaj got called back to the bench to come on while they were both warming up). So thats now 1 CB, 1 RB, 1 ST and you can probably chuck another midfielder in as needed too, 2 if you want to go back to playing wingers.

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# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:34

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# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:45

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# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:47

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Actually I liked reading the effort post, unfair post removed.

stickyfngrdboy fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Mar 10, 2015

# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:52

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Hamas Rodriguez posted:

I respect Taff for his effort post

same

# ? Mar 10, 2015 20:59

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Just imagine big staff man speculating about where Rinaldo would play on his return to united??

# ? Mar 10, 2015 21:21

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

Shaw would really be getting a lot more criticism as well, hes a Carroll esque flop and should be treated as such

# ? Mar 10, 2015 21:48

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TelekineticBear! posted:

Shaw would really be getting a lot more criticism as well, hes a Carroll esque flop and should be treated as such

Yer they definitely shouldn't use the example of Henderson and wait a while before judging a young player and labelling him a flop.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 21:56

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

Total Meatlove posted:

Yer they definitely shouldn't use the example of Henderson and wait a while before judging a young player and labelling him a flop.

He cost �30million, he gets a lot less wiggle room than some young kid from the academy or a cheaper player from elsewhere

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:07

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TelekineticBear! posted:

He cost �30million, he gets a lot less wiggle room than some young kid from the academy or a cheaper player from elsewhere

Henderson cost, what, �20m?

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:15

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Henderson cost, what, �20m?

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# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:23

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serious gaylord posted:

26 if you include the clauses he's triggered so far.

He made a rape joke at the north pole?

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:27

TelekineticBear!: Feb 19, 2009

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Henderson cost, what, �20m?

and he rightfully got slaughtered for being clown car, shaw should be getting loving crucified by man united fans, not making any effort whatsoever

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:42

Shrapnig: Jan 21, 2005

TelekineticBear! posted:

and he rightfully got slaughtered for being clown car, shaw should be getting loving crucified by man united fans, not making any effort whatsoever

Has he even completed a full 90 minutes this season?

It's shocking.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:46

Ewar Woowar: Feb 25, 2007

Henderson was sixteen million. But yeah, he was poo poo to start off with but that was all down to confidence. He just wouldn't be involved in the game at all...which is funny considering the kind of all action performances he's put in since.

Shaw looked great for Southampton last season and a good player doesn't turn poo poo over night. Considering how good Di Maria and Falcao were (and should be) it's a management problem. It's funny, Ferguson quite often got the best out of mediocre talent and now United are getting mediocre displays from top talent.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:54

The Big Taff Man: Nov 22, 2005; Official Manchester United Posting Partner 2015/16; Fan of Britches

beedeebee posted:

Just read that Falcao's starting for Man U's under 21 tonight. Wow

Not sure what the wow is here? He didnt play yesterday and we've got a game on Sunday?

He played 70 minutes and didnt look happy about being subbed.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:55

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Ewar Woowar posted:

Henderson was sixteen million. But yeah, he was poo poo to start off with but that was all down to confidence. He just wouldn't be involved in the game at all...which is funny considering the kind of all action performances he's put in since.

Shaw looked great for Southampton last season and a good player doesn't turn poo poo over night. Considering how good Di Maria and Falcao were (and should be) it's a management problem. It's funny, Ferguson quite often got the best out of mediocre talent and now United are getting mediocre displays from top talent.

Falcao was always a donkey

# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:59

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I think it's ridiculously difficult to get back into the top 4 once you drop out right now and will be for the next 1-2 years. But the window of opportunity to make a massive push back up to title challenges will be when Wenger retires. Arsenal will have atleast a year of falling apart once he's gone, and that means that instead of 3 guaranteed CL teams there will only be two and that's the window that they will have to capitalise on. Man United have so much money, it really is a joke how much revenue they generate, so speaking objectively they can leave Liverpool and Spurs behind them, but they have to get the timing right.

edit: one of the interchangeable american united fans posted a big 6 or 7 paragraph post last week I think and people just said "tell me more" and "pooshited", it is a bit boring outside of the mdt.

Hoops fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Mar 10, 2015

# ? Mar 10, 2015 23:32

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Hoops posted:

I think it's ridiculously difficult to get back into the top 4 once you drop out right now and will be for the next 1-2 years.

Why? Because you got in it last year? The top 4 has been different every year for a good few years now, with at least one team dropping out every year

# ? Mar 10, 2015 23:56

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I don't think Arsenal will have a United style decline when Wenger leaves. At this point, Arsenal have a pretty good squad, and I could see another manager getting more out of them. Watching Wenger over the last few years has been frustrating. Arsenal are finally spending money and getting better players, but results aren't improving, and all of the old flaws are still there.

OTOH Arsenal will always have fourth choice of players behind City , Chelsea, and United (when they get back into the champions league), so it's tough to say they should be doing more than finishing fourth every year.

# ? Mar 10, 2015 23:56

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The Big Taff Man posted:

Why? Because you got in it last year? The top 4 has been different every year for a good few years now, with at least one team dropping out every year

He means it will be this difficult for the next 1-2 years

# ? Mar 11, 2015 00:10

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The Big Taff Man posted:

Not sure what the wow is here? He didnt play yesterday and we've got a game on Sunday?

He played 70 minutes and didnt look happy about being subbed.

He got subbed off in the U21 match? Dang. I wonder who's gonna take a chance on him next season. Will his transfer fee fall through the floor because of his high wages, or is it like a buyout or something?

I try not to know too much about footballers and their contract situations, it seems like a pretty deep rabbit hole

# ? Mar 11, 2015 00:24

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TheBigAristotle posted:

He got subbed off in the U21 match? Dang. I wonder who's gonna take a chance on him next season. Will his transfer fee fall through the floor because of his high wages, or is it like a buyout or something?

I try not to know too much about footballers and their contract situations, it seems like a pretty deep rabbit hole

I've a feeling we'll be held over a barrel for Falcao if we want to keep De Gea.

# ? Mar 11, 2015 00:50

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The funniest thing about Falcao was he was rushed back for a world cup he didn't even play in

If he would've just timed his recovery for the start of the season he wouldn't be the broken mess he is now

# ? Mar 11, 2015 02:43

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Ninpo posted:

I've a feeling we'll be held over a barrel for Falcao if we want to keep De Gea.

Don't agents also get a cut of a players pay? If not Mendes will probably just be offered a load of money as well as De Gea

# ? Mar 11, 2015 08:14

hadji murad: Apr 18, 2006

How does this work, surely it's send Falcao to the glue factory and give DeGea a raise? Are there any commitments with Falcao?

# ? Mar 11, 2015 10:18

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

They have the same agent who is also the most powerful person in club football

# ? Mar 11, 2015 10:23

The Big Taff Man: Nov 22, 2005; Official Manchester United Posting Partner 2015/16; Fan of Britches

Ninpo posted:

I've a feeling we'll be held over a barrel for Falcao if we want to keep De Gea.

I was told at the start of the season that the deal for falcao had been done and the only reason the first year was a loan was for FFP reasons, but thats looking more and more untrue as the season goes on.

chuggo is BACK posted:

He means it will be this difficult for the next 1-2 years

Hasnt it always been difficult tho? I mean the peak year was when Spurs finished 4th and Chelsea finished 6th but won the champs league.

# ? Mar 11, 2015 10:34

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# ? May 16, 2024 14:34

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Can someone explain to me why Falcao was so hyped before he broke himself? Was it because he had good timing on runs? His strength? Finishing? I only watch the PL and so far nobody good has a brown/black ponytail.

(he's poo poo)

# ? Mar 11, 2015 11:02

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