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ultrafilter posted:Is the end of the game just "everyone dies"? Apparently it is.
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This is my favorite example of how ludicrously detailed these games are. Gale, from the beginning, has had this weird hand gesture thing he did, right? So I actually did it one time. It's the same motion I already did to move glasses up on my nose. Hell, didn't Gale do that even before gaining his Atma? The cool poo poo you can do when you write the whole story before making the game.
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Mar 12, 2015 04:25
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You may think poo poo has gotten as crazy as it can but I assure you no.
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Mar 12, 2015 04:35
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I think what irks me the most about Cielo's death is that he's used awesome laser beams before while flying around. I want to believe that he didn't need to kill himself here just to succeed. God, that's just heartbreaking.
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Mar 12, 2015 04:58
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I'm not sure if I want to think that everyone who has died knew full well that they weren't going to make it out and had no confidence they were going to get the world unfucked; That's misery incarnate if this "plan" ends up working.
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Mar 12, 2015 05:06
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I knew it was probably coming as soon as Agrilla and Heat and Roland died, but Gale and Cielo.  The first JRPG I've ever seen where I legitimately like the entire party and they're getting shredded. I have the strong inkling we're gonna be seeing people again, though, given we're trying to go to God, source of all Data, to plead for poo poo to get unfucked. Night10194 fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 05:46
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CmdrKing posted:This is my favorite example of how ludicrously detailed these games are. Gale, from the beginning, has had this weird hand gesture thing he did, right? So I actually did it one time.  This game goes deep, goddamn. I also hadn't guessed that poo poo about how the Junkyard AIs got their personalities from residual data from Sera's beach simulation...
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Mar 12, 2015 06:05
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Man this game..... Freakin LOVE it 
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Mar 12, 2015 06:55
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Those last couple of updates  That was unexpected.
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Mar 12, 2015 11:06
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... Wait, so at the end of the game there are only two party members? O.O Both weak to fire? This is going to complicate fights...
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Mar 12, 2015 12:49
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God drat it CIelo you are not allowed to do that, your dying privileges have been revoked, get your rear end right back in my party this instant you big jerk! ...Please? 
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Mar 12, 2015 13:51
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Waterguy posted:... You'll see!
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Mar 12, 2015 13:59
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This game knows where to hit you and hits hard. After so much time spent building everyone up and they're just taken down one after the other like the developers had a hit list But I think what's coming up is worth it. Anyway, the Airport felt like the biggest filler dungeon in the game. Enemy quality aside, it's just kinda there because someone went "We need to pad stuff before the end!", or at least that's what I feel about it. Dragonatrix posted:So, if you're one of the maybe seven people that actually watch the field hunts, you may have picked up on how I had no bloody clue where to go. Although sadly the rewards are way smaller.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:16
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HGH posted:This game knows where to hit you and hits hard. After so much time spent building everyone up and they're just taken down one after the other like the developers had a hit list But I think what's coming up is worth it. I legitimately remembered the scene with Jenna and Gale happening back at the EGG Facility, with the airport being literally just there to pad poo poo out. I'm glad they put SOMETHING worthwhile there, don't get me wrong, but yeah, could have been omitted. Especially considering how much dungeon the Final Dungeon actually is.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:19
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I was always disappointed we didn't get to fight Angel again. It seemed like an inevitable boss fight for the finale of the airport dungeon.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:09
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So I've been trying to find a bright side to the whole sitution and the best I could come up with is that at this point the game's most likely out of ways to punch us in the gut. Why are you so cruel Atlus, I really liked those characters
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Aumanor posted:So I've been trying to find a bright side to the whole sitution and the best I could come up with is that at this point the game's most likely out of ways to punch us in the gut. Why are you so cruel Atlus, I really liked those characters You really think Atlus' cruelty engineers are out of ways to gently caress with you? There are still two whole characters left alive. TWO. That's as many as two more than they want alive. And there's not really anyone left alive to even give them an epic death so it's probably gonna be pretty punk.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:09
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Feinne posted:You really think Atlus' cruelty engineers are out of ways to gently caress with you? There are still two whole characters left alive. TWO. That's as many as two more than they want alive. And there's not really anyone left alive to even give them an epic death so it's probably gonna be pretty punk. Did any Atlus game actually end on a TPK?
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Mar 12, 2015 21:15
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Maybe the cat becomes the third party member, ever consider that?
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Mar 12, 2015 21:27
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Aumanor posted:Did any Atlus game actually end on a TPK? Arguably DDS3 Nocturne, though I suppose the PC survives, but the entire world dies. All of it. Forever. To fuel his ascent to be the Right Hand of Satan and storm the throne of God.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:31
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this thread finally got me to play these games, they're very good. hard mode actually lives up to the name a little when you don't carry over the bonus stats from a mostly completed mantra grid and don't know what weakness/attacks every boss features
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Mar 12, 2015 21:38
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Everyone's data gets sent to God though, right? The who Hindu/Buddhist thing seems played more or less straight to me, so maybe everyone will get reincarnated (again)? Of course if what I know of those philosophies gets followed up on in the game there will be no similarities between the people who died and who/what they come back as.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:49
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Seriously though you don't want what's coming next spoiled for you it's awesome.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:53
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One thing I don't get is how David's data wound up in the Junkyard in the first place. I get Cielo appearing there because Sera knew about him, along with the rest of Embryon. From what the game tells us, Sera never met David, thus never giving her a template to create Gale from. Is that explanation stuck in some obscure guide book somewhere or something?
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Mar 12, 2015 22:10
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And how did Gale know about him?
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Mar 12, 2015 22:26
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Waterguy posted:... Not really, just set up the right manta and you're fine.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:28
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And why was Sera's version of Gale coldly logical (initially)?
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Mar 12, 2015 22:28
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AradoBalanga posted:One thing I don't get is how David's data wound up in the Junkyard in the first place. I get Cielo appearing there because Sera knew about him, along with the rest of Embryon. From what the game tells us, Sera never met David, thus never giving her a template to create Gale from. Is that explanation stuck in some obscure guide book somewhere or something? Same goes for Fred's dad. I think a conversation in last(?) update actually hints on the likely reason: Sera didn't merely set up a VR system (how would she even do that?), she made one with some sort of involvement from God, and I would guess that somehow got it hooked up with actual reincarnation.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:34
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AradoBalanga posted:One thing I don't get is how David's data wound up in the Junkyard in the first place. I get Cielo appearing there because Sera knew about him, along with the rest of Embryon. From what the game tells us, Sera never met David, thus never giving her a template to create Gale from. Is that explanation stuck in some obscure guide book somewhere or something? If all data returns to god and Sera was in contact with god, perhaps some of god's data passed back through Sera into the Junkyard. Just my guess at this point. I never finished the second DDS. ultrafilter posted:And how did Gale know about him? Gale had all those flashes of memories from his past life. I guess he'd remembered more than he let on.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:35
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Night10194 posted:And why was Sera's version of Gale coldly logical (initially)? Everyone was coldly logical initially, being that they're all meant to be blank-slate combat AIs. He was just one of the last to awaken to his data-soul-thingamajig. In the latter half of the first game just about every NPC starts recognising concepts that don't exist in the Junkyard, or remember details from their previous lives. Every single mook the Embryon fought was a real person whose data got stuck in the Junkyard
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Mar 12, 2015 22:45
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Night10194 posted:And why was Sera's version of Gale coldly logical (initially)? everyone in the junkyard was initially like gale, it's just easy to gloss over this because everyone else gets emotions within the first hour or two while gale waits until just before the second to last dungeon
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Mar 12, 2015 22:45
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I know that part, it's more that even when he triggered, Gale remained much closer to that archetype, just tempered with compassion and purpose.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:46
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It's not like we know much about David other than him being a scientist and being in a relationship with Jenna. It's a bit further down the line, but the whole "you mustn't hate them" spiel David did was reflected earlier by Gale telling Sera not to hate anyone back in the Power Plant. David was probably just a very composed person is all.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:50
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True enough. RIP Gale, you were a super cool guy and I liked you a lot.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:52
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OddObserver posted:Same goes for Fred's dad. I think a conversation in last(?) update actually hints on the likely reason: Sera didn't merely set up a VR system (how would she even do that?), she made one with some sort of involvement from God, and I would guess that somehow got it hooked up with actual reincarnation. Lex Averial posted:If all data returns to god and Sera was in contact with god, perhaps some of god's data passed back through Sera into the Junkyard. Just my guess at this point. I never finished the second DDS. That's my take too, Sera's function as the cyber shaman was talking to God to collect data for scientific purposes, so when the Asura Project began and she asked God for data to create the most advanced AIs it sent the code of actual people whose data had returned to it (ie: died). Night10194 posted:I know that part, it's more that even when he triggered, Gale remained much closer to that archetype, just tempered with compassion and purpose. Well, even though Gale was based on David, he is his own person and developed his own personality. Remember Serph's introspection battle to prove he isn't Dr. Serph nor Sera's AI boy toy.
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So what the hell is up with that theory that the mime dude was Bat's avatar then? He wasn't dead before the Bat AI existed and something tells me an elite guard crazy man wouldn't be allowed around Sera much if at all. Though honestly that just brings up literally every AI in the junkyard besides Beck.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:16
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Yeah, Gale flat out stated that he's NOT David. He's just based on his data.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:23
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Oh my god this game just keeps getting better. Also Dragonatrix posted:
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Serph... I won't be afraid, as long as you're here.
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RIP Cielo, dying for the dream. RIP Gale, because Angel can't even let herself be happy.
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