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Some of the Sheep
May 25, 2005
POSSIBLY IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF I ASKED FOR A LIST OF THE HARMLESS CREATURES OF THE AFORESAID CONTINENT?
We've even got brink keeping up the TCC tradition of "arm reduction."

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Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




I was waiting for this point, harkening back to why I liked Boston's assessment of "I'm not putting my hand in there" you just KNEW we were gonna go back to it, also we needed a use for that jawbone.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Neruz posted:

Basically this entire game is about drug addiction :okpos:

Tonight, a Very Special Episode of LucasArts adventure game.

Non-EuclideanCat
Nov 9, 2009

Some of the Sheep posted:

We've even got brink keeping up the TCC tradition of "arm reduction."

He didn't give the crystals the respect they deserve.

Odysseus S. Grant
Oct 12, 2011

Cats is the oldest and strongest emotion
of mankind
At alien plantet lost fingat post mote later.

Non-EuclideanCat
Nov 9, 2009
You ever shoot a man because he hosed with your stash?

grimlock_master
Nov 1, 2013

Fuck you, suzie
I always felt that the whole activation sequence looked like how lesbians first have sex.

Anoia
Dec 31, 2003

"Sooner or later, every curse is a prayer."

grimlock_master posted:

I always felt that the whole activation sequence looked like how lesbians first have sex.

I did fall off the bed trying a new thing once, so you're not wrong.


Anyway, the cutscene with Brink always struck me as being a bit off. Maggie is totally engrossed with her Palm so I guess they planned for the circumstances to be different? That or she got tired of the arguing and was playing the lunar lander game.

Kangra
May 7, 2012

Neruz posted:

...Spacetime Six is so impossibly beautiful to creatures that evolved in Spacetime Four that they basically become hypnotized and entranced by it, unable to look away without monumental force of will. Force of will which slowly ebbs over time.

Don't forget that Orson Scott Card worked on this. (They are addicted to pornography.)

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?
Brink, all the brains in the world and he can't figure out how to balance a rock in one hand.

Non-EuclideanCat
Nov 9, 2009

Robodog posted:

Brink, all the brains in the world and he can't figure out how to balance a rock in one hand.

You ever tried to heft 50 pounds of stone over your head, one-and-a-half-handed?

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Plus Brink is well and truly insane by this point.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
"Get avay from my machine or I touch you wiz my stump! Boogabooga!"

I dont know
Aug 9, 2003

That Guy here...
I like after all the repetition of how Boston would kick Brinks rear end if they ever actually fight he is blindsided by a tackle and knocked stupid. That's why you don't take your eyes off the paranoid schizophrenic Boston.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Jeez, I feel so blindsided by the death of Maggie, it was just so unexpected. I feel like it wasn't telegraphed in any way whatsoever.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.
It is kind of funny how much of a jerk Boston is the whole time to Brink. Like at the end, Boston really does deserve to get his rear end kicked.

"Hey let's split the crystals."
"Actually, I'll just take them both, you weren't going to share anyway."
"Oh, and I need this part that makes your machine work too."
"Now I'll just turn my back and walk away because what could possibly hap-"

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

JossiRossi posted:

It is kind of funny how much of a jerk Boston is the whole time to Brink. Like at the end, Boston really does deserve to get his rear end kicked.

"Hey let's split the crystals."
"Actually, I'll just take them both, you weren't going to share anyway."
"Oh, and I need this part that makes your machine work too."
"Now I'll just turn my back and walk away because what could possibly hap-"

You know, I was going to make a joke about adventure game protagonists, but as I was watching the video it dawned on me that as the game has gone on dealing with Brink has been increasingly like dealing with an intractable, angry toddler, with the size and strength of an angry, angry man. Like, if Low was doing this kind of thing to Brink in the beginning when he was in full possession of his faculties yeah, that would be a giant dick move. As it is Boston is kind of responding to Brink's regression; ask any parent, about once a day you're going to have to play the "because I'm the grown-up and I'm bigger and I make the rules" card or else you're literally going to be stuck forever trying to reason with someone who thinks "I'm right therefore you are a poopy head" is a valid counterargument for your point. The only difference is, Brink can kill you when he's mad, and he's always mad because you won't do what he wants.

I feel like I've gotten off track because I think what I'm saying is Boston is probably a decent dad...

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Anoia posted:

Anyway, the cutscene with Brink always struck me as being a bit off.
It makes no sense. Boston's on the ground, Brink is about to bash his head in with a rock, then suddenly Brink falls off the cliff for no reason. In fact, it looks like Boston is between him and the edge, so he not only has to fall for no reason, he has to fall over Boston without dragging him down too.

Samovar posted:

Jeez, I feel so blindsided by the death of Maggie, it was just so unexpected. I feel like it wasn't telegraphed in any way whatsoever.
Boston seems to think Maggie knew it would happen, but as far as I could tell she only died because the machine jammed and when she unjammed it she lost her balance and fell. :confused:

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?
Nobody in this drat game can keep their balance!!

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

Tiggum posted:

It makes no sense. Boston's on the ground, Brink is about to bash his head in with a rock, then suddenly Brink falls off the cliff for no reason. In fact, it looks like Boston is between him and the edge, so he not only has to fall for no reason, he has to fall over Boston without dragging him down too.

The writers weren't on their A-game that day and they couldn't think of a good reason for Brink not to succeed in killing Boston, because Maggie was too busy staying punched apparently, so they just had him fall over and die for no reason. Then they went back and rewrote his character to imply that he was slamming a crystal every time he felt himself start to come down from the high, thereby making him build up a resistance several millions of times faster than he would using them normally, so they could say he was too focused on killing Boston over two crystals to remember to take one of the several hundred he already had. Which wasn't actually a good explanation for why Boston was still alive at the end of that scene even if "turning childish, erratic, and violent" made for an okay antagonistic arc.

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.

Robodog posted:

Nobody in this drat game can keep their balance!!

Side effects may include: Unbridled sense of well-being, irritability, megalomania, uncontrollable violence, heartburn, vertigo, addiction, and death (temporary).

Non-EuclideanCat
Nov 9, 2009
Hey, who's up for a trip into crazyspace?



And that's a wrap. I'll leave the thread open for a week or so. Thanks again, all.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.
You can revive Maggie for an extra cutscene and an alternate moment in the ending actually :science:

Montegoraon
Aug 22, 2013
Wouldn't it be a real kick in the teeth if disabling the light bridge deactivated the Eye? Seeing as how the bridges are somehow connected to the eye's function rather than primarily being meant for walking on, it would make sense.

And no alternate ending?

I dont know
Aug 9, 2003

That Guy here...
Congrats on a successful LP and thank you too.

A few other minor odds and ends

-the alternate ending as others have mentioned

-if you go into the room past the airlock (where you turn one of the trams back on) and type SWANS you get an extra unused animation.

-if you try to go back to the underwater cave when Maggie is with you, she refuses and gives a meta joke comment about how you just wanted to see if she could swim.

-pressing Control B makes Boston flex. Show off the guns.

I dont know fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Mar 18, 2015

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice
Nice work. Thanks for this!

And no poo poo, Brink was voiced by Steve Blum? That guy really has been in everything.

Non-EuclideanCat
Nov 9, 2009

Well gently caress me running, I didn't know about any of this.

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
Thanks for the LP man, good fun.

I remember I played part of this game when I was a kid. I was convinced the Asteroid Lander game on your PDA was important but I could never beat it, so I never got anywhere.

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?
So is there any explanation about old man Brink? Or him having his hand back? Or is it just 'Spacetime Six!'.

Also, baller rear end move from Maggie there jumping off the cliff after being revived. Way to stick to your guns on that one.

grimlock_master
Nov 1, 2013

Fuck you, suzie

Robodog posted:

So is there any explanation about old man Brink? Or him having his hand back? Or is it just 'Spacetime Six!'.

Also, baller rear end move from Maggie there jumping off the cliff after being revived. Way to stick to your guns on that one.

I always interpreted as "the crystals hosed him up"

I dont know
Aug 9, 2003

That Guy here...

Robodog posted:

So is there any explanation about old man Brink? Or him having his hand back? Or is it just 'Spacetime Six!'.

Also, baller rear end move from Maggie there jumping off the cliff after being revived. Way to stick to your guns on that one.

If i recall correctly, the novelization it is mentioned as being an effect of abusing life crystals. Depleted his life force or some such.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

JossiRossi posted:

You can revive Maggie for an extra cutscene and an alternate moment in the ending actually :science:

Yep, if you revive her she gets angry and suicides and then when she comes back at the end she punches Boston in the face.

Panboy
May 20, 2010

Le'me tell ya'll about them Apples.
Thanks for the LP, And i got final bidding in the credits WOO!

Also I just watched interstellar and this this, Got the strangest vibe of Déjà vu at the endings.

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




Thanks for making this LP man, it was short and sweet, sort of how I feel most LucasArts adventure games are (once you know all of the puzzles, of course) :unsmith:

Oski
Oct 20, 2010

Everyone has their dream...
Great LP! I got stuck on this game about 15 years ago somewhere after the first time you speak to the inventor with Maggie and always wondered how it ended. Finally, closure!

Now I've seen it, the ending seems a bit lackluster and rushed to me, I was expecting the final puzzle to be something cool and fiendish in spacetime-6 rather than turning off a button to kill the guardian.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Non-EuclideanCat posted:

Well gently caress me running, I didn't know about any of this.



"You know that what the crystals bring back isn't life!" - No, you don't know anything. You have absolutely no reliable information. All you know is that Brink seemed to become addicted or something. That's it. What caused that? No way to tell, since he may have been exposed to any number of alien substances or technologies, or maybe the trauma of his own death and revival (after being unwittingly transported to an alien planet) just had a really bad effect on his mental state.

Sure, the alien who speaks in riddles says the crystals are bad, but he's pretty clearly not interested in giving useful or accurate information, and you have no reason to trust a word he says.

Also, Boston is trapped in Spacetime 6, right? The creature says that they can communicate because they're in Spacetime 6, but then back in "normal" spacetime they can still communicate fine. So Boston never got out, this is all some kind of illusion. The reason the aliens never got out is because they don't even know they're still trapped.

Kangra
May 7, 2012

I kind of wish the explanation for old Brink is that the alien just can't tell the difference. "I walked along all the paths of time & space, and found a version of the man you call Brink ... at least I'm pretty sure it's him."

The game just got released on GoG.com, so it's on sale for less than US $5 this week.

Quaternion Cat
Feb 19, 2011

Affeline Space
Thanks for helping me easily share this game I played when I was young with my husband, who'd never even heard of it.

I thought I remembered Maggie looked older too in her bad ending but I guess not. As a game, it really stood out from a lot of the other adventure games I played, which had dozens and dozens of characters, compared to this one which starts with 5 and then goes down from there...

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

Tiggum posted:

"You know that what the crystals bring back isn't life!" - No, you don't know anything. You have absolutely no reliable information. All you know is that Brink seemed to become addicted or something. That's it. What caused that? No way to tell, since he may have been exposed to any number of alien substances or technologies, or maybe the trauma of his own death and revival (after being unwittingly transported to an alien planet) just had a really bad effect on his mental state.

Sure, the alien who speaks in riddles says the crystals are bad, but he's pretty clearly not interested in giving useful or accurate information, and you have no reason to trust a word he says.

Occam's Razor, man. We know Brink's behavior only started degrading after he was exposed to the crystals. We know Brink didn't have access to anyplace Boston and Maggie couldn't go themselves; therefore anything he was exposed to, so was Boston at least. We know Boston and Maggie didn't start degrading, ever. Therefore, the conclusion that makes the fewest unfounded assumptions is that it was the crystals.

quote:

Also, Boston is trapped in Spacetime 6, right? The creature says that they can communicate because they're in Spacetime 6, but then back in "normal" spacetime they can still communicate fine. So Boston never got out, this is all some kind of illusion. The reason the aliens never got out is because they don't even know they're still trapped.

Obviously they learned English while Low was in Spacetime Six, because all minds communicate in perfect clarity or whatever. Haven't you ever become one with the universe and started speaking some other language? Keep up, man.

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Sovy Kurosei
Oct 9, 2012

Dr. Buttass posted:

Occam's Razor, man. We know Brink's behavior only started degrading after he was exposed to the crystals. We know Brink didn't have access to anyplace Boston and Maggie couldn't go themselves; therefore anything he was exposed to, so was Boston at least. We know Boston and Maggie didn't start degrading, ever. Therefore, the conclusion that makes the fewest unfounded assumptions is that it was the crystals.

The alien creator didn't really degrade like Brink either, though. Also Brink tried to start a mutiny within minutes of landing on the planet.

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