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I had a job interview for a "marketing analyst" position where I would be "networking with clients regarding distribution and marketing of various products" and it turned out to be door-to-door sales of office supplies. You don't make a salary, but instead get a cut of your sales. You're also technically a freelancer, so you don't get a business card and can't claim that you work for the company. You have to buy your own insurance. There are daily "team-building workshops" that are mandatory. After a certain amount of sales you move up a level, until eventually you start getting people to work for you. Then you get a cut of THEIR sales! After two or three years, you could easily be making six* figures! The experience was miserable. I showed up for the first interview, and they didn't unleash the crazy on me. Instead they made it seem like I was a shoe-in for the position, and they called me later in the day for a second interview where I'd be shadowing a senior marketing analyst to get a feel for the job. We showed up at our first target, which was a bodega that wanted to buy some printers. We spent 5 hours walking around, speaking with "clients" which were just shop owners who had no clue they were being ripped off, and I just stood there silently as I realized this was all I'd be doing. We were supposed to go back to the office, but I told the guy I was shadowing that I wasn't interested. It seemed like that's something he's used to, so we parted ways. The worst part is that they make you feel like you're actually worth hiring. That was my first interview in a long time, despite months of sending out resumes in that area (marketing). Then you realize they're just making it seem like you're special but really they'll hire literally anyone willing to peddle some cheap, shoddily-made office supplies. I'm going for my engineering degree now, so at least I have them to thank for that.
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Moridin920 posted:conning people into being under you in a pyramid scheme F Stop Fitzgerald posted:any intelligent, charismatic sociopath could probably do alright with it. aah yes, the few people ive seen on facebook who are into it fit that description to a t
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Mar 27, 2015 19:39
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Re: Beachbodies., The person still maintains that they don't have to buy anything, and that she makes money from other peoples consulting fees or whatever. I felt like it was a bit less scummy since she wasn't required to buy things, but it was pretty scummy that the people "below her" had the MAIN company (not them) pay her a commission on that. So she made money for not doing anything, so good for her I guess!
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Verisimilidude posted:I had a job interview for a "marketing analyst" position where I would be "networking with clients regarding distribution and marketing of various products" and it turned out to be door-to-door sales of office supplies. You don't make a salary, but instead get a cut of your sales. You're also technically a freelancer, so you don't get a business card and can't claim that you work for the company. You have to buy your own insurance. There are daily "team-building workshops" that are mandatory. After a certain amount of sales you move up a level, until eventually you start getting people to work for you. Then you get a cut of THEIR sales! After two or three years, you could easily be making six* figures! Looking for legit marketing jobs is full of poo poo like this. I've had so many interviews with people who 30 minutes in reveal that their posting wasn't entirely accurate and that the real job is "events marketing" and "everyone works up from the bottom, so even with your advanced degrees, you'll have to start on the floor working booths."
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Salt Fish posted:The best pyramid schemes are the ones that don't even bother to have a product. Think about how much more efficient you can con people out of their money if you don't have to print labels for juice and poo poo. One time I got an oldschool snail mail pyramid letter. It had five addresses in it I was expected to mail $20 to. The letter itself contained no money. No return address either, could've even reply "bitch where my twenny"
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During high school my football coach was in on this superfood juice MLM and kept pressuring me to tell him about my family's medical history so he could tell me about how his magic fruit juice could cure it. So how do people get into the higher levels of MLMs, like the levels where they're aware of what the organization is? Selling people a fantasy about being their own boss and convincing them to pay me to get paid sounds like a dream job. flick my Mr. Bean fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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dog buttz posted:During high school my football coach was in on this superfood juice MLM and kept pressuring me to tell him about my family's medical history so he could tell me about how his magic fruit juice could cure it. It's a pyramid scheme. Not rocket science.
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Mar 28, 2015 01:45
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the funny thing is ponzi schemes, mlms for bankers, always work out because the government always bails them out. there hasn't been a ponzi scheme yet which has lost their investors money. because of this they don't even count as scams. some investment firms - quietly - seek them out because if you get in early you can actually make serious bank. this is because at a certain point, you're too rich to be a sucker crazy huh
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Mar 28, 2015 09:32
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A local MLM is this thing called "herbalife" i think they sell essential oils or some other liver destroying snake oil
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Are there any rich people mlms i should look out for so i can cash out that sweet bail out money?
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becoming a drug dealer is hilariously more legit and profitable than MLMTsinava posted:A local MLM is this thing called "herbalife" i think they sell essential oils or some other liver destroying snake oil my buddy was broke and out of work and went to a herbalife presentation, they told him that regular toothpaste burns holes in lab rat skulls, and that he should take a loan from his parents to buy a starter kit goku im piss fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Mar 28, 2015 10:15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBbLpxLglz0
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I woke up in the middle of the night to take a poo poo, and now I'm wide awake after being sucked into this MLM thread for the last hour. Where do I sign up?
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Mar 28, 2015 12:18
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goddamn that guy has a video for everything
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Mar 28, 2015 17:21
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some idiot bitch i used to work with would always peddle her scentsy crap at work. she always had to talk about how much money they had, and always had expensive poo poo and wore a big gaudy wedding ring that cost like 40k. thankfully she eventually quit and last i heard, surprise surprise, they were having financial difficulties.
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Mar 28, 2015 17:46
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I saw a lot of Scentsy posts on US base swap/sell groups. Japan has a small undercurrent of the usual MLM companies, but I see more of these "health food and supplement" shops that hold early morning seminars offering a free box of tissues to lure in olds and sell them immortality juice. You'll recognize them as a plain storefront with a shelf of 10 products, 40 folding chairs and windows covered in flyers.
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Herbalife, next to Amway and Mary Kay, is the most well-established MLM. It is international, and they have paid stadiums to bear their name. It just takes money from people who don't understand health, pyramid scams, or medicine so I don't hate them as much as I do some of the others.
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peanut posted:that hold early morning seminars offering a free box of tissues Wait... do tissues mean something different in Japan? Because a box of tissues is like 99 cents in the US
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Olds love tissues. Sunday morning at the hardware store is a hellstorm of bad parking and tissue box 6-packs. Edit: Tissues tend to be used in place of paper towels at home. peanut fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 01:01
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Drunk Nerds posted:Wait... do tissues mean something different in Japan? Because a box of tissues is like 99 cents in the US Giving out little packets of tissues is a thing in Japan.
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So I belong to a club for parents of multiples (twins, triplets, etc.) It's usually pretty great: Clothing swaps, advice boards, etc. However, I just got an email for their "Vendor Night." They will have "several representatives here to make shopping easy for the busy moms that we are." The three companies represented by the vendors? Jamberry- A fake fingernail MLM Pampered Chef- A kitchen supplies MLM Miche- A handbag MLM Is there some sort of MLM watchdog site I can link to when I contact the president about these? Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 18:18
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I have a dirtbag uncle who buys into a different MLM scheme like every year. I'm pretty sure the only people he sells his magic teas and frozen steaks to are my grandparents which he still lives with.
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exethan posted:http://www.myitworks.com/crazywrap/ God, this loving thing. A friend of mine from college fell into it hard like a year and a half ago and it's like some goddamn cargo cult or something, complete with their national "conference" having Southern Baptist church services underneath a giant loving can of their product: 
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This thread makes me sad and happy all at the same time. Sad that so many people fall for this and happy to know that I'm not really alone out there. This is how I grew up. My father bought into every MLM that came his way. Amway in the 90s, then Excel, EcoQuest, now Vollara. As a Christmas "gift" this year, he borrowed my social security number to "start my very own distributorship". I've never felt so loving betrayed. All the little "spoilfield" wives 'round here are currently doing Thrive, Herbalife, with a few stragglers still holding on for dear life with Scentsy, It Works! & Premier Jewelry. I know one woman who does Slumber Parties and she makes a fortune (but I think she miiiiiight do porn on the side, no joke.) Anyway. gently caress pyramid schemes. I trust no one selling any goddamn thing on their personal Facebook pages and immediately unfriend/unfollow including my mom & dad. It's pretty devastating.
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theloosecannon posted:This thread makes me sad and happy all at the same time. Sad that so many people fall for this and happy to know that I'm not really alone out there. 
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the us government is the best mlm
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theloosecannon posted:This thread makes me sad and happy all at the same time. Sad that so many people fall for this and happy to know that I'm not really alone out there.
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Shadow posted:Holy poo poo dude. Most hosed up part about all of this: I have a family. A husband and a 2 year old son. I don't doubt, that had my father had their socials, he would have "signed them up" too. He did the same thing to my brother. All for a $200 bonus he pocketed himself.
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theloosecannon posted:Most hosed up part about all of this: I have a family. A husband and a 2 year old son. I don't doubt, that had my father had their socials, he would have "signed them up" too. He did the same thing to my brother.
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theloosecannon posted:Most hosed up part about all of this: I have a family. A husband and a 2 year old son. I don't doubt, that had my father had their socials, he would have "signed them up" too. He did the same thing to my brother. FactsAreUseless posted:You might want to sue him for identity theft before he lands you in some sort of massive debt. It may be hard to do but you may want to consider something. If he's desperate you could end up hosed. By you I mean your husband and kids.
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FactsAreUseless posted:You might want to sue him for identity theft before he lands you in some sort of massive debt. This right here. Father or no, if he's willing to use your SSN for some MLM scheme, it's only a few steps away from him using your SSN to take out loans, get credit cards, etc.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:This right here. Father or no, if he's willing to use your SSN for some MLM scheme, it's only a few steps away from him using your SSN to take out loans, get credit cards, etc. Exactly. Under the delusion of "investing in his distribution network for his product". Point is do this even if you don't think he'd do anything malicious. Stupid decisions are still stupid despite intent.
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FactsAreUseless posted:You might want to sue him for identity theft before he lands you in some sort of massive debt. I followed up. After the massive, and I mean MASSIVE, Christmas screaming match, I came just short of police and law involvement. Everything was cancelled and removed and I followed up with credit reporting agencies. (At the time, we were selling our home so we were working closely with the bank and our credit was being monitored anyway THANK GOD). Pretty much if I ever catch a whiff of his get rich poo poo ever again, I'm done. 20+ years of being dragged to team meetings as children, listening to spiels as adults, having him pitch to my friends/ boyfriends who would come over this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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theloosecannon posted:I followed up. After the massive, and I mean MASSIVE, Christmas screaming match, I came just short of police and law involvement. Everything was cancelled and removed and I followed up with credit reporting agencies. (At the time, we were selling our home so we were working closely with the bank and our credit was being monitored anyway THANK GOD). Good for you, and yes, you were very lucky.
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Just remembering that one thread where some goon's girlfriend from England flew to the US to wander door to door selling books for an MLM, including wandering the bad parts of the US for pennies a day. That was pretty jacked.raditts posted:MLM schemes absolutely ask you to gently caress your friends and family. PotatoManJack posted:It's basically in their literature. They train you to first go to friends and family and try and sell them the crap and/or recruit them Yep. Honestly this is partly what makes them the pieces of poo poo they are. They actively encourage you to gently caress over everyone you know, including family. But they do it by convincing you that you're "helping them make so much money." In the previously mentioned thing with my girlfriend's mom, she kept insisting it was so I could "plan for the future" and "learn to manage money." With a loving MLM and she couldn't even explain how it worked.
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I had a coworker who was really into Beachbody and would try to sell it to us at work. We told her multiple times it was a MLM and she told us that "Technically every job is an MLM. We all make money for someone higher than us"
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Shnooks posted:I had a coworker who was really into Beachbody and would try to sell it to us at work. We told her multiple times it was a MLM and she told us that "Technically every job is an MLM. We all make money for someone higher than us" Capitalism  Also lol
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Shnooks posted:I had a coworker who was really into Beachbody and would try to sell it to us at work. We told her multiple times it was a MLM and she told us that "Technically every job is an MLM. We all make money for someone higher than us"
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Shadow posted:Good for you, and yes, you were very lucky. I would like to say I dodged a bullet, but the reality is, he & my mom did. Not a literal bullet of course, but they would've lost their daughter, SIL & grandson for the rest of their lives plus the very, very little they've actually accumulated over the last 37 years of work. My mom is the real victim in all of this. But that's another story for another time, ugh.
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theloosecannon posted:My mom is the real victim in all of this. But that's another story for another time, ugh. Hey you're on a roll let's hear it.
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