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Wait so what timeline is Arrow in now? It must be 3 (the one the flash it currently in)?
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Apr 4, 2015 14:51
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Bandanna posted:As much as my imagination is going wild, giving Batman some sort of big boy powers like the GL ring or speed force even for just one story would be entertaining as hell. Batman has already been GL and superman (and superman as a GL). Let someone else get a new power set for once
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Apr 4, 2015 15:07
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Xelkelvos posted:Batman has already been GL and superman (and superman as a GL). Let someone else get a new power set for once During Blackest Night quite a few heroes (and villains) got power rings of various corps to help combat the Black Lantern Corps, made up of every living creature that ever died, including quite a few superhuman ones - all with their own black rings to make them even more powerful.  Above are Flash with a blue ring for hope, Mera (Aquaman's wife) with a red ring for rage, Lex Luthor with an orange ring for greed, Scarecrow with a yellow ring for fear, Wonder Woman with purple/violet for love and who I assume is the Atom with indigo for compassion. I think Wonder Woman would have made more sense to be compassion rather than love, though that's based only on reading Gail Simone's run and I'm not terribly familiar with the character outside that. It still happened in the then mainline comics. I assume it's been retconned since with the new 52, but if it happened there it's probably happened other times even in the regular comics too. Batman had been sent back to the past at the time and wasn't around to receive one, black, green or otherwise. tsob fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 15:32
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:Yeah basically everyone caught that the instant it appeared and we all decided as a group that nobody on the show would allow that so it was something Tom Cavanaugh did on his own that everybody missed. It was foreshadowing - reverse flash really likes fisting people to death.
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Apr 4, 2015 15:42
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ambushsabre posted:Wait so what timeline is Arrow in now? It must be 3 (the one the flash it currently in)? Arrow exists in whatever time line is most likely the final time line. Basically, if we end up on a 6th time line, then that's going to be the one Arrow is in. We know it's not the original, because Barry became the flash 6 years too early for that.
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Apr 4, 2015 16:09
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ambushsabre posted:Wait so what timeline is Arrow in now? It must be 3 (the one the flash it currently in)? Yeah, Arrow's in TL3. No Butt Stuff posted:Arrow exists in whatever time line is most likely the final time line. Basically, if we end up on a 6th time line, then that's going to be the one Arrow is in. We know it's not the original, because Barry became the flash 6 years too early for that. Basically this. The interesting point about TL2-3 Barry as the Flash is that he IS younger and less mature than TL1 Barry presumably was. Which actually gets shown on screen quite well, since Barry's emotional, impulsive, and lacks discipline. Presuming he still exists and wasn't just absorbed by Barry as a child, it'd be interesting to see how they play TL1 Barry. Is he still basically the same quick to act slow to think Flash we know and love, or has he got more self-control? How important were those six extra years?
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Apr 4, 2015 16:32
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The original timeline Flash might have been entirely different given that he presumably didn't grow up obsessed with finding his mother's killer (since she probably didn't die in mysterious circumstances during that timeline) and chasing down any weird tales in the hopes of finding a man in the lightning.
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Apr 4, 2015 16:38
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tsob posted:Stuff like that annoys me a bit. Bobby spent years learning to use his powers, then Emma Frost is in his body for five minutes and does stuff that makes him look like a chump. It'd be one thing if it was some kind of omnipotent being in his body that showed he was still learning and could do much more - but just having another regular human (or mutant) kind of undercuts all the work he put in to learning to master his powers. It doesn't even make her look smart or adaptable, it just makes Bobby look lazy or stupid. I think the point of the story was that Booby was being intellectually lazy. He'd settled on an idea of how his powers work as "I make ice" without thinking that what it really means is "I can the control condensation and temperature of liquids." Including the liquids that make up his own body. Or those in YOUR body, for that matter. Which makes sense, since Bobby has always been the goofball of the original team and the least likely to really think about how his powers work rather than accepting his own mental model. What the story really shows is that Emma Frost is a much better teacher than Charles Xavier was.
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Apr 4, 2015 16:48
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The thing is it takes most mutants months to get a basic grasp of how to use their new powers and years to master them. Emma managed it in a completely new body with completely new powers in the space of a few hours, which is like a paraplegic learning to walk in a few hours when they get bionic legs - it's just not going to happen and it undercuts the actual effort taken by the other character. Yea, Iceman is a doofus, but he did put some actual effort in and it did take time to get to where he was. If she was in control for months a la Superior Spider-man it'd be one thing, happening over night is another and while I understand it's just narrative short hand it still bugs me a little.
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Apr 4, 2015 17:39
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Batman was given a ring by Hal Jordan as "therapy", to get over his parents murder. Here's how that unfolded.    His unwillingness to get over his parents aside, during his first use of the ring he was able to conjure up a swarm of bats and his parents. Green Arrow tried to use the ring once and all he could muster up was a single arrow, and that took everything he had. He was exhausted afterwards. So a batman with a power ring should not be underestimated. He actually got offered a yellow power ring. It was searching earth for the scariest mother fucker it could find, and went for Batman. Batmans willpower overpowered the ring though, and it went searching for another candidate.
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Apr 4, 2015 18:07
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I was presumably conflating the Batman and Green Arrow events then, and yea, I remembered it coming across a lot better in the comic than I was describing it and that does. It still seems pretty silly that he can't let go if it twenty odd years later, but there's far worse ways to explain why Batman doesn't have a ring.
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Apr 4, 2015 19:36
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tsob posted:I was presumably conflating the Batman and Green Arrow events then, and yea, I remembered it coming across a lot better in the comic than I was describing it and that does. It still seems pretty silly that he can't let go if it twenty odd years later, but there's far worse ways to explain why Batman doesn't have a ring. Considering Batman has built his entire life around abstractly avenging his parents, I guess it's not too difficult to believe he'd have trouble letting go of an idea central to that whole mess. On a somewhat related note, I started watching Batman Beyond recently, on recommendations from this thread. Although I was (and remain) a huge BTAS fan in my teens when it first ran, I never really got into Beyond because I developed this preconception at the time, perhaps aided by a teenage hero, that the tone was more adolescent. Boy was I wrong. Maybe half a season in, and this show is exploring all sorts of adult themes. On top of this, the episode 'Shriek' produced what is now my favorite Batman exchange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceca1JCRQbA&t=10s Habibi fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 20:00
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tsob posted:The thing is it takes most mutants months to get a basic grasp of how to use their new powers and years to master them. Emma managed it in a completely new body with completely new powers in the space of a few hours, which is like a paraplegic learning to walk in a few hours when they get bionic legs - it's just not going to happen and it undercuts the actual effort taken by the other character. Yea, Iceman is a doofus, but he did put some actual effort in and it did take time to get to where he was. If she was in control for months a la Superior Spider-man it'd be one thing, happening over night is another and while I understand it's just narrative short hand it still bugs me a little. She's a telepath. She can take his knowledge of how to use them as a starting point. She also has the ability to telepathically unlock mutant potential. It's even frequently one of her powers in the video games she appears in.
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Apr 4, 2015 20:09
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He actually does get over his parents death, eventually. Has a little thing with his son where they talk about it and everything. Of course, two issues later damian dies, and bats is back on square one.
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Apr 4, 2015 20:53
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Now, Dan Dorian truly is the mightiest pinkbellyer in all the lands.
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Apr 4, 2015 21:07
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Xelkelvos posted:Batman has already been GL and superman (and superman as a GL). Let someone else get a new power set for once So a couple years back, IDW wanted to a crossover with DC that DC turned down. This was one of their pitch images: 
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Apr 4, 2015 21:20
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Eh, Batman with a lantern ring doesn't look all that impressive to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBoZ1ye8sA
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Apr 4, 2015 21:24
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Polaron posted:So a couple years back, IDW wanted to a crossover with DC that DC turned down. I just peed a little.
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Apr 4, 2015 22:05
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Polaron posted:So a couple years back, IDW wanted to a crossover with DC that DC turned down. God dammit DC. Okay admittedly figuring out the setting could be a little tricky, but still! Who would turn down this crossover, considering everything else they've apparently gone and happily accepted?
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Apr 4, 2015 22:13
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Polaron posted:So a couple years back, IDW wanted to a crossover with DC that DC turned down. Going to buck the trend and say that would have been so dumb as to redefine dumb for posterity.
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Apr 4, 2015 22:17
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Apr 4, 2015 22:18
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Habibi posted:Going to buck the trend and say that would have been so dumb as to redefine dumb for posterity. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have made for some incredible splash panels. Astro Nut posted:God dammit DC. Honestly, it would have been tricky from a rights issue since last I checked Hasbro tends to end up with Marvel. Still, what could have been.  Yes, that is the Batplane and Wonder Woman's invisible jet as Transformers. Polaron fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 22:31
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McCloud posted:Batman was given a ring by Hal Jordan as "therapy", to get over his parents murder. Here's how that unfolded. Did Geoff Johns write this? This feels like Johns' usual wanking off to Hal Jordan, the Green Arrow one was even better because Ollie's willpower was "too cynical" or some copout like that. In the past Hal used to hand out duplicate rings like candy and regular shmucks had no problem flying and doing basic hologram/construct stuff, he pulled poo poo like that all the time and it sure as hell didn't take "quit cold turkey a three-packs-a-day smoking habit" levels of willpower (another hyperbolic overstatement of how hard it is to pass Power Ring 101, basically the Flash's "I see things that happen in less than an attosecond" for GLs). This is why you don't actually want that many comic book writers working on your other comic book-based properties.
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Apr 4, 2015 23:17
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Polaron posted:That doesn't mean it wouldn't have made for some incredible splash panels. I would give so much money to have the batplane and the invisible jet as transformer toys. DC YOU ARE SITTING ON A GOLDMINE HERE.  Regarding the show - I was kinda peeved to see the Adult Barry Flash from the "Let's go kill Baby Barry!" scene didn't have yellow boots. I dig the highlight lines and I dig the white symbol but yellow boots would have been awesome. Also, and I might be alone in this, but didn't we see Barry's mom NOT get killed? They beat the poo poo out of each other, and RF leaps at lil barry, but Adult Barry wasn't having any kind of inappropriate touching so he tackled him, and then ran off in another direction. After that we see RF lose his speed force ability, so wtf happened to his mom? Stupid_Sexy_Flander fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 4, 2015 |
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Apr 4, 2015 23:22
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Apr 4, 2015 23:24
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McSpanky posted:Did Geoff Johns write this? This feels like Johns' usual wanking off to Hal Jordan, the Green Arrow one was even better because Ollie's willpower was "too cynical" or some copout like that. In the past Hal used to hand out duplicate rings like candy and regular shmucks had no problem flying and doing basic hologram/construct stuff, he pulled poo poo like that all the time and it sure as hell didn't take "quit cold turkey a three-packs-a-day smoking habit" levels of willpower (another hyperbolic overstatement of how hard it is to pass Power Ring 101, basically the Flash's "I see things that happen in less than an attosecond" for GLs). That stuff about willpower and difficulty and all that was all established by Kyle Rayner stories.
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Apr 4, 2015 23:24
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Aphrodite posted:That stuff about willpower and difficulty and all that was all established by Kyle Rayner stories. GL worship didn't start with Hal (let's take a few hours to talk about all the "Kyle is Space Neo" hints and arcs, or not) but it sure got more obnoxious with him.
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Apr 4, 2015 23:38
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I don't have enough willpower to care about Green Lantern
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Apr 4, 2015 23:59
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McSpanky posted:GL worship didn't start with Hal (let's take a few hours to talk about all the "Kyle is Space Neo" hints and arcs, or not) but it sure got more obnoxious with him. I haven't read a huge amount of Green Lantern stuff so I'm not terribly familiar with Green Lantern worship, but I was reading up on the newest Earth Green Lantern, Simon Baz a few days ago and I was tempted to shout at my screen a bit, because the Wikipedia article refers to him as "the miracle worker" - which seems a rather hyperbolic name for a character that's only a few years old at best and who is something like the 7th Earth Green Lantern viaing for attention at any one time. Though, to be honest, I found it worse that apparently someone from the future has revealed that he'll eventually train the first female Earth Green Lantern. That should not be something that you feel the need to build up, like it's some kind of landmark point that we're not ready for yet. If you want a female Earth Green Lantern then create Simone Baz instead of Simon Baz and be done with it. Besides, Jade already exists (or existed, she's probably no longer canon) and she probably fulfills the criteria as is/was.
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Apr 4, 2015 23:59
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Can we keep the comic talk in the comic forum please? Including posting panels and dumb derails about Green Lanterns. Unless it is directly related to the show that is.
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Apr 5, 2015 00:02
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Also, and I might be alone in this, but didn't we see Barry's mom NOT get killed? They beat the poo poo out of each other, and RF leaps at lil barry, but Adult Barry wasn't having any kind of inappropriate touching so he tackled him, and then ran off in another direction. After that we see RF lose his speed force ability, so wtf happened to his mom?
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Apr 5, 2015 00:11
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Wait, just rewatched that part and I hosed up. Apparently they circled around and kept fighting, and Adult Barry ran lil Barry down the street, and a second or so later you see RF leave the house. He had plenty of time to shiskabob the mom before his powers went poof.
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Apr 5, 2015 00:22
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Wait, just rewatched that part and I hosed up. I mean even if you see them leave at the same time he technically still had time to kill her, make breakfast, get in a 3 mile run and some yoga.
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Apr 5, 2015 00:23
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I often think that Barry communicating with the STAR Labs team while simultaneously running 500 mph might be the most skill intensive thing he does.
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Apr 5, 2015 00:55
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possibly my favorite Flash moment this season was finally figuring out how the gently caress to say Eobard I mean it took the Batman movies and Arrow, what, ten years to agree with Batman: TAS on Ra's? This is a landmark.
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Apr 5, 2015 01:31
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Chokes McGee posted:possibly my favorite Flash moment this season was finally figuring out how the gently caress to say Eobard But...Eobard can only really be said one way.
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Apr 5, 2015 01:38
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Chokes McGee posted:possibly my favorite Flash moment this season was finally figuring out how the gently caress to say Eobard Really? I thought it was pretty obvious how to pronounce that. I guess it could've been Ebbard but I never thought for once it wouldn't be Yobard. And of course Ee-oh-bard sounds dumb as hell.
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Apr 5, 2015 01:46
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Deadpool posted:Really? I thought it was pretty obvious how to pronounce that. I guess it could've been Ebbard but I never thought for once it wouldn't be Yobard. And of course Ee-oh-bard sounds dumb as hell. I always mind heard it as "eyo bird", I can definitely see distinctions in how much emphasis you put on the "o" and "a". It is a futuristic fictional name after all.
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Deadpool posted:Really? I thought it was pretty obvious how to pronounce that. I guess it could've been Ebbard but I never thought for once it wouldn't be Yobard. And of course Ee-oh-bard sounds dumb as hell. But they pronounce it 'ee-oh-bard' on the show, though?  Like, both actors say it that way. (OK, Tom says it more 'ay-oh-bard', I guess)
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Apr 5, 2015 02:58
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