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Dead Reckoning posted:Well, SHAPE turned their analysts loose on open source and commercial imagery, and created a succinct release demonstrating that Russian armor is almost certainly operating in Ukraine but no one publicly changed their positions since everyone already knew that Russian infantry was engaged and no one in the West is willing to go the mats over Eastern Ukraine yet. “NATO announced that the Russians were about to invade Ukraine. But, according to French intelligence, there is nothing to corroborate this hypothesis – we determined that the Russians were deploying neither command posts nor logistical facilities, including field hospitals, needed for a military incursion,” General Gomart told a parliamentary hearing. (1) http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/cr-cdef/14-15/c1415049.asp quote:Ukraine is currently the principal operator of T-64 MBTs, and as such it had been considered that the most likely source for the T-64s in rebel hands came from stocks seized from Ukrainian hands either in east Ukraine, or in Crimea (where a number of T-64s were known to be captured by Russian forces). There is quite a difference between no longer active stocks of matériel being gifted to federalist fighters via the 'military surplus store' as they call it and saying that Russian mechanized forces are operating in Ukraine. This is an entirely distinct level of engagement. Like republican spanish civil war vs fascist side of the spanish civil war. And that characterization is what I was objecting to. You can look at lots of videos and photos and see that the ethnic russians fighting were all old men until the last small bit of the conflict, as younger people joined up when they realized that there was not much alternative. The alarmist rhetoric about Russia invading never seems to stop. In Crimea, it was clear, Russian units deployed simply without insignias and they quickly handled the switch over. In the east it's quite different, you have old rear end men, veteran veterans, in old trucks fighting with hand me down russian materiel alongside captured ukraine army equipment. You can read near real time accounts of combatants, there's a strong communist tendency, and they hate having to fall in line with Russian directives or be cut off from artillery / resupply. Putin is happy with friendly local oligarchs and a greater Transnistria status, (this caused lots of anger and tension from both the communist locals and the party of war to the right in russia) the locals want their own state and democracy, or at least federalism within Ukraine. But they fight on as they're against demented putschists who are being supported, seemingly out of pure spite, by nato. And to reiterate, I was objecting to claims of Russian mechanized divisions operating in ukraine. If Russia invaded, the war would have ended very quickly, just like Georgia. The low information is your butt which is your head http://lostarmour.info/spoils/ You can pop this website into google translate to see what's been seized by whom. It's very nifty. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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But it's the airpower thread rather than the argue about old tanks thread, so I'll show you some nice Iraq conflict stuff   Stills of Iranian f-4s bombing daaesh positions from 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHU3H0vYYQs    New stuff: http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/2015/03/photos-and-video-of-iraqi-su-25-engaged.html  Here is a former russian su-25, rather than the former iranians seen above. http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/2015/03...ts-cannon.html  Iraqi Eurocopter EC-635 and Bell IA-407 over Tikrit    mi-35 okay a little bit old tank, an Iraqi asv with additional cameras    Note the Vietnam style canopy   Here are Iranian delivered t-72s operating next to donated abrams tanks. This is 2015, everyone cool is working together against the bad men and it's all love. God bless all the brave Iraqi soldiers 
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Apr 13, 2015 13:09
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Nah it's the oldish tank thread as well, note the 'Cold War' in the title.
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Delivery McGee posted:Wasn't the Thud meant to be more bomber than fighter, and in the era when knife-fighting was still a thing, though? Its fighter-like qualities were more for getting out after it dropped its bombs. Sort of like the Mudhen now, but with less ability to turn. The F-105 was originally built with an internal bomb bay. It was designed for tactical nuclear strikes.
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Dejan Bimble posted:
I was half expecting the next image to be of downed powerlines and the burning wreckage of 2x choppers...
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Apr 13, 2015 18:48
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Mi-28 Havocs, right? Still a pretty rare helicopter outside of Russia, it seems like.
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Apr 13, 2015 18:52
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Still a pretty rare helicopter in Russia, as we see with most of their programs.
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bitcoin bastard posted:p hosed honestly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A New Red Alert game looking pretty hot
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razorscooter posted:New Red Alert game looking pretty hot I just get increasingly confused as this video goes on. It started with the 200 F-16s idling on the runway, it did not slow down when all our B-2s were just chilling out. Then I saw the Aardvarks. And that's ignoring the silly as gently caress actual vehicle. Where did this goofy thing come from? Alaan fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Apr 13, 2015 22:06
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The Russian Inferiority Complex.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:18
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Haha yeah. i think our entire Air Force, plus some of our Air Force from the early 90s was all hanging out on that base. As well as a decent chunk of our Navy and some euro-fighters as well.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:20
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My favorite part is at the end when they have the mini RC deathcopter destroy El Presidente's Palace because even if they're been destroying obviously American planes, ships, and other equipment and facilities the whole time, the White House is a bridge too far.
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Apr 13, 2015 22:26
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Reminds me of that video with the remote-controlled doombot that kills an entire company plus armor support just to poop out a stretcher and rescue one wounded guy. in short, this: razorscooter posted:New Red Alert game looking pretty hot
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Apr 13, 2015 22:33
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Alaan posted:I just get increasingly confused as this video goes on. It started with the 200 F-16s idling on the runway, it did not slow down when all our B-2s were just chilling out. Then I saw the Aardvarks. And that's ignoring the silly as gently caress actual vehicle. Where did this goofy thing come from? Destro? That's some 80's GI JOE poo poo right there...
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Apr 13, 2015 22:42
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The India - France deal is dead in the water http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/india-makes-it-official-the-mother-of-all-defense-deals-is-dead/
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Psion posted:Reminds me of that video with the remote-controlled doombot that kills an entire company plus armor support just to poop out a stretcher and rescue one wounded guy. Here is said video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9xqdoDc3oI
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yesss, that's it. I forgot about the rear end Missile.
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Apr 14, 2015 00:32
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Why does the missile copter fly? Shouldn't it just be a small UAV designating targets, and then have the trucks poop out the missiles/artillery? Come on Russia.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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This video is even more amazing. I feel like I'm watching Gumby Goes to War With America with this animation style. Edit: All that and the dude has to load himself on the stretcher. If anything these videos that Russians have mastered extradimensional space because these gadgets all have impossible proportions. Alaan fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Apr 14, 2015 00:44
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The doombot should just whip out some buzz saws and amputate the wounded guys arms and legs so it can jam his torso in a 2' x 3' x 1' box, great victory for russian ergonomics
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Apr 14, 2015 01:25
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Seems like if you could get a truck that close to an airbase you'd be better off just detonating a nuke from it.
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Apr 14, 2015 01:38
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Personally not a huge fan of Russia's massive erection concerning military gear disguised as civilian poo poo, but the absurdity of it all is at least amusing.
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Warbadger posted:Personally not a huge fan of Russia's massive erection concerning military gear disguised as civilian poo poo, but the absurdity of it all is at least amusing. Yeah, the whole shipping-crate missile thing is weird. I dont want to say "dishonorable" because thats a blatantly incorrect term, but its purposefully going to jeopardize ALOT of civilian lives in the event its fielded.
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I choose to believe "Fresh Fruits" was an intentional choice that could blend in with the NATO homonazis. E: Also check out the VTOL F-16s parked at the very end of the runway.
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Dandywalken posted:Yeah, the whole shipping-crate missile thing is weird. I dont want to say "dishonorable" because thats a blatantly incorrect term, but its purposefully going to jeopardize ALOT of civilian lives in the event its fielded. If/When NATO decides to throw a SDB on a suspect freight container and blows away an innocent, who do you think the western public is going to blame? There is literally no downside for the Russians.
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ArchangeI posted:If/When NATO decides to throw a SDB on a suspect freight container and blows away an innocent, who do you think the western public is going to blame? There is literally no downside for the Russians. Well, to be honest actually using such a thing would rather quickly result in a lot of people on the receiving end being very, very angry and work wonders to dehumanize the user while pushing any conflict in a pretty ugly direction for both sides. In any kind of situation where such a thing was being used I think it's exactly the sort of poo poo that would lead to the user becoming unpopular enough that people would be ready to believe just about anything about them. It would also have the impact of providing justification for the kind of laws that would make the Patriot Act look tame. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Warbadger posted:Well, to be honest actually using such a thing would rather quickly result in a lot of people on the receiving end being very, very angry and work wonders to dehumanize the user while pushing any conflict in a pretty ugly direction for both sides. In any kind of situation where such a thing was being used I think it's exactly the sort of poo poo that would lead to the user becoming unpopular enough that people would be ready to believe just about anything about them. It would also have the impact of providing justification for the kind of laws that would make the Patriot Act look tame. Yeah but you have to wait for them to actually use it (and blow up 150% of the USAF) before droning random Russian 18 wheelers becomes politically palatable.
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I'm operating on the assumption that all of these videos are made by bored Russian teenagers with a copy of Autodesk and not by people who could be expected to know or care about the laws of war.
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Slamburger posted:The doombot should just whip out some buzz saws and amputate the wounded guys arms and legs so it can jam his torso in a 2' x 3' x 1' box, great victory for russian ergonomics How else are you going to get volunteers for your Dreadnoughts
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Back Hack posted:Here is said video: Good to see forward thinking on materiel for Russia's ability to protect its citizens
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ArchangeI posted:If/When NATO decides to throw a SDB on a suspect freight container and blows away an innocent, who do you think the western public is going to blame? There is literally no downside for the Russians. Wouldn't getting your frieghtyards blown up count as a downside?
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Yeah I was really trying to figure out what the gently caress the scenario was for tiny tank. So the Americans are in the city in tanks gunning down any russky in sight. Somehow half a mile away, not getting bombed into oblivion is a soviet armored cav or something. Despite being in a war zone they are loving around with their new RC tanks without a care in the world until some schmuck gets shot by a tank.
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the only person with a bigger boner than the video creator for the shipping crate disguise is Larry Bond.
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razorscooter posted:New Red Alert game looking pretty hot Definitely has a bit of a ridiculous Just Cause vibe to it. Also the way that no-one on the ground appears to get hurt made me think of the scene with the minigun in Terminator 2
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inkjet_lakes posted:Definitely has a bit of a ridiculous Just Cause vibe to it. Also the way that no-one on the ground appears to get hurt made me think of the scene with the minigun in Terminator 2 Even when it comes to a blatant act of war, the Russians know the game. Don't kill American soldiers, just destroy equipment so we bankrupt ourselves buying 2-3 of everything that was destroyed to show *THEM* ~who we are~ and how they'll never *break* us (except on the balance sheets). (didn't want those social programs anyway) If an F-22 crashes, nothing happens. It's not replaced, it's just a tragic loss of an 'invaluable asset.' If one was lost in a dogfight? OH THIS MUST BE *AVENGED* LET'S BUILD 300 MORE AND FAST-TRACK THE F/A-XX PROGRAM HERE'S A SUPERTANKER FULL OF MONEY  NATIONAL PRIDE!  "Calm down, Senator McCain!" BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Alaan posted:Yeah I was really trying to figure out what the gently caress the scenario was for tiny tank. So the Americans are in the city in tanks gunning down any russky in sight. Somehow half a mile away, not getting bombed into oblivion is a soviet armored cav or something. Despite being in a war zone they are loving around with their new RC tanks without a care in the world until some schmuck gets shot by a tank.
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Insert name here posted:I enjoyed the fact that the Americans were using Leclercs and Challenger 2s The Great Game 2 - Anglo-French Boogaloo, or Poke the Russians, poke the Russians oh Christ they're coming
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I guess the primary duty of the remote controllers is to input "idkfa" regularly.
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 In 1947, this is what the Swedish navy figured a guided missile cruiser's missile launch system might look like in the future. It's funny how they just took what they knew (the twin gun turret) and replaced the guns with launch ramps. Complete ship proposals, one with guns and one with missiles:  
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