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Pro Target posted:ive seen enough nerds throw around 'strong female character' that i think i have an understanding of what they mean: 'any female character' Yeah exactly
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:15 |
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Bwee posted:Can someone explain the "strong female characters" that supposedly exist in this show/book? I don't think it's their strength that people like, although it certainly helps that they are more then just there for sex and to serve some man. A lot of the love is directed towards Cersei, and Daenerys because they are political leaders that are smart and have allies, but also have faults and enemies. Daenerys for example is naive and doesn't see or accept the world for what it really is, she wants to reshape it into her own vision and make everyone free, but at the same time she doesn't see that these actions have serious consequences, and we see those actions blow up in her face throughout the series. She seems to always find some way to deal with it though, on her own, instead of just running to a man to have him fix it. Cersei is a ruthless bitch who is very smart and knows how to play the political game without resorting to sex. If nothing else Game of Thrones breaks a lot of female tropes.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:18 |
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Pro Target posted:yeah theres no other books except fantasy novels... its hosed up But what are people supposed to be getting from fiction?
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:18 |
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hopefully something more relevant to the actual world and to their lives than the Names Of The 25 Ancient Dragons Of Olgox
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:20 |
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I definitely want to hear more about all these blood sausages. Like in extreme detail, with info about the lamprey and pies. Scene after scene of it.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:23 |
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Pro Target posted:hopefully something more relevant to the actual world and to their lives than the Names Of The 25 Ancient Dragons Of Olgox Why would you go to fiction for that? Hello, yes, ice cream vendor, please give me your finest quinoa.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:25 |
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Pro Target posted:hopefully something more relevant to the actual world and to their lives than the Names Of The 25 Ancient Dragons Of Olgox yeah escapism is all bad 100% of the time never read fiction
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:26 |
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Sorry, should have remembered that genre fic readers can only engage with stuff at the most superficial level
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:26 |
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Moridin920 posted:yeah escapism is all bad 100% of the time never read fiction Yes, it is
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:27 |
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Am I supposed to disagree with that?
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:27 |
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fiction should encourage deeper analysis and critical thinking (about social issues, gender issues, class issues, etc) and mainstream pop fantasy does none of this
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:29 |
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Bwee posted:fiction should encourage deeper analysis and critical thinking (about social issues, gender issues, class issues, etc) and mainstream pop fantasy does none of this Thank Allah !! could you imagine how awful everything would be
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:30 |
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Bwee posted:fiction should encourage deeper analysis and critical thinking (about social issues, gender issues, class issues, etc) and mainstream pop fantasy does none of this Why? What's the advantage over engaging with those issues directly? How is that not just something that makes it easier for people to lie to you?
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:30 |
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Good fiction should encourage you to think about it in connection with and as a reflection of the reality that produced it and to which it relates. Genre fic encourages its readers to disconnect from reality, and so is worthless
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Pro Target posted:Good fiction should encourage you to think about it in connection with and as a reflection of the reality that produced it and to which it relates. This is still like going to an ice cream vendor for a salad.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:32 |
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Hate Fibration posted:Why? What's the advantage over engaging with those issues directly? How is that not just something that makes it easier for people to lie to you? Your mind has rotted so much that you cant seperate art from escapism
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:33 |
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Bwee posted:fiction should encourage deeper analysis and critical thinking (about social issues, gender issues, class issues, etc) and mainstream pop fantasy does none of this I don't think it necessarily should. I don't see anything wrong with a fantasy series that doesn't make me question conflict in the middle east. and honestly most of the time i read fantasy, or whatever similar fiction, i get annoyed by obvious social justice bullshit subtexts. I just want to read about a dragon saving the world, I'm not here to get educated on loving gender roles. Hate Fibration posted:This is still like going to an ice cream vendor for a salad. lol e: boy im taking this thread straight to hell
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:33 |
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Hate Fibration posted:This is still like going to an ice cream vendor for a salad. if youre going with this then its more like saying ice cream is garbage and we should dispose of it forever
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:34 |
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Pro Target posted:Your mind has rotted so much that you cant seperate art from escapism It must be because I don't read fiction in general anymore.
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Poetic Justice posted:it's better than the books This but unironically.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:35 |
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Pro Target posted:Am I supposed to disagree with that? if you're one of those people that literally thinks you should never read fiction there's nothing really wrong with that necessarily, it's just highly likely that you are a bore. also what makes you think reading fantasy and reading literature are mutually exclusive? I'm pretty wide read, at a certain point I can just re-read the classics for a 4th time or I can try to find some random scifi novel to read.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:37 |
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Moridin920 posted:if you're one of those people that literally thinks you should never read fiction there's nothing really wrong with that necessarily, it's just highly likely that you are a bore. Well, i guess i'll have to live with being left out of conversations about elves
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:37 |
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Pro Target posted:Well, i guess i'll have to live with being left out of conversations about elves and most social functions I'm guessing why are you so tightly wound up?
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:38 |
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Pro Target and I have already established that literature is important, genre fantasy isn't. You can be very non-boring through discussion of literature
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:39 |
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Bwee posted:Pro Target and I have already established that literature is important, genre fantasy isn't. You can be very non-boring through discussion of literature you sound boring as gently caress already it's not so much that literature isn't interesting, it is. it's just that you lack imagination.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:39 |
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The Mountain gonna get frankensteinered.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:40 |
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yeah this thing that millions of people watch and love is actually really bad -a human being
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:The Mountain gonna get frankensteinered. I hope they use the same actor, he's a viking beast !
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Moridin920 posted:you sound boring as gently caress already This is a sentence devoid of any meaning whatsoever
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:42 |
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quote:The Mountain gonna get frankensteinered Actually the thing I wanna see most in the show. Actually, I'm happy with anything not involving Daenerys(sic). quote:Pro Target and I have already established that literature is important, genre fantasy isn't. You can be very non-boring through discussion of literature You actually haven't done that. You can make pretty much anything convincing by portraying it fictionally. If the works of fiction people read do exert a subtle influence on them as you would claim, then why is that a case for employing critical analysis in literature? Why isn't just avoiding fiction altogether and engaging directly with the real world a better option, so as to avoid those potential influences? Unless the escapist elements of fiction have value, you are consigning it as a whole to irrelevancy.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:44 |
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pro target i value lit so much i got a degree and i think you're a hypocrite and a retard
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:45 |
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probably like 30% hypocrite and 110% retard
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:46 |
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it's a stupid show but i watch it because i am entertained by it much like breaking bad or the walking dead except the walking dead actually truly sucks Hate Fibration posted:Actually, I'm happy with anything not involving Daenerys(sic). same
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:46 |
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don't let these retards bully you into qualifying your enjoyment of entertainment
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:pro target i value lit so much i got a degree and i think you're a hypocrite and a retard that so mang?
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:47 |
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Pro Target posted:This is a sentence devoid of any meaning whatsoever You only read literature and yet your reading comprehension is bad? I was saying there's nothing wrong with literature, but if you never read fiction because it is terrible then you are likely a person who lacks imagination and is thus boring in most social interactions.
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:47 |
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I value lit so much i got a degree just so i can say i have a degree when people make fun of my Fairy Tail Book
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:The Mountain gonna get frankensteinered. i wanna see him get scottsteinered POPPA PUMP
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# ? Apr 22, 2015 22:48 |
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Pro Target posted:I value lit so much i got a degree just so i can say i have a degree when people make fun of my Fairy Tail Book lol what's the last book you read?
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TwoStepBoog posted:
I feel like she's the weakest part of the show by far. Her entire character seems really one-dimensional. She's pretty much just a walking goal. I also feel like her actions are really poorly integrated into the overarching plot. Moridin920 posted:lol what's the last book you read? Me and Pro Target should exchange reading materials. We'll both learn something.
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