|
Politicalrancor posted:Id say Simmons is a little too hands off, with the putter story as an example. There were a number of people that the putter story went through so I'd say that was an institutional failure. And yes Simmons is the head so a large amount of the onus is on him but that felt more like ignorance than anything else. Not that that excuses things. But I'm glad he isn't meddling in a lot of the pop culture stuff. It's an amazing staff at grant land.
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 02:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 04:13 |
|
|
sportsgenius86 posted:The majority of espn readers are middle aged white guys and the majority of those people wish all black men thought like Whitlock. That's why espn likes him The majority of readers, plus the majority of ESPN execs, plus the majority of Disney execs, plus the people running the sports teams/leagues that ESPN is constantly compromising its integrity to maintain access to. There's a fundamental incompatibility between the struggle of oppressed people and the interest of multinational corporations. Don't expect the latter to ever authentically advocate for the former.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 02:23
|
|
|
The putter story is probably an example of a story that Simmons wouldn't realize what was wrong with because he's a middle aged white guy, but a younger and more "with it" editor should have caught it, at least that's what i think.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 02:26
|
|
|
For all of Simmons' myriad faults, the guy has always shown a great deal of respect for great sportswriting, the form and the craft of it. He was actually a strong choice to run ESPN's Prestige Longform vertical. The early months of GL were painful with how much the writers were trying to mimic his style, but after some feedback and some turnover people's own voices started to shine through and the site is now extremely solid top-to-bottom (even the often-wobbly pop culture side of it has more plusses than minuses these days).
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 02:47
|
|
|
Grantland has Charles Pierce lobbing bombs on a regular basis. It's wonderful 
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:02
|
|
|
Also Brian Phillips is loving incredible on a consistent basis. Sometimes the deeply analytical sports guys get a little boring, but Simmons is the only regular contributor that I don't consistently enjoy and never makes me think. And almost everyone is a pro Twitter follow.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:42
|
|
|
Brian Phillips, Charles Pierce, Louisa Thomas, and Wesley Morris are so fantastic and what they do. Greenwald and Papademas are quite excellent too, but there are few journalists/writers I enjoy reading more than those 4.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:46
|
|
|
BWV posted:Brian Phillips, Charles Pierce, Louisa Thomas, and Wesley Morris are so fantastic and what they do. Greenwald and Papademas are quite excellent too, but there are few journalists/writers I enjoy reading more than those 4. Sometimes Wesley Morris goes totally off the deep end but he's unquestionably really smart. And he has a Pulitzer.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:49
|
|
|
Almost all of the Grantland writers (minus Simmons) churn out amazing journalism at an incredible pace. And I still love Simmons because his articles are a great way to coast to the weekend on a Friday afternoon at work. It really is a fantastic site.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:50
|
|
|
howe_sam posted:Grantland has Charles Pierce lobbing bombs on a regular basis. It's wonderful Could you imagine Whitlock doing anything like that?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 05:32
|
|
|
FMguru posted:Pierce also speaks to Simmons' quality as an editor - he absolutely torched Simmons' oversized basketball book (and Simmons himself) when it came out, and Simmons pissily responded by removing all of the references to Pierce's work in the softcover edition. Simmons was willing to look beyond all that when it came time to staff up Grantland, and he knew that Pierce was an excellent writer with a distinctive voice and a sharp understanding of social and political issues outside of sports, and to his very great credit he hired Pierce. Pierce also destroyed him in the Ali "controversy."
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 06:01
|
|
|
HOLY poo poo      
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 06:01
|
|
|
 Honestly, given the goofy/tongue-in-cheek tone of a lot of SB Nation's output this really doesn't seem that out of line. I mean, it is out of line, but really pretty mild.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 06:13
|
|
|
Frackie Robinson posted:
He's cheerleading a dude's tragic death because the owner of his sports team has a vendetta, what is wrong with you?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 09:47
|
|
|
That guy's issues go well beyond Josh Hamilton. And reading team-specific SBNation blogs is Doing It Wrong.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:20
|
|
|
That guy was fired in pretty short order and posted a since-deleted rant about that as well. It's at the bottom of the article.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:50
|
|
|
BWV posted:Brian Phillips, Charles Pierce, Louisa Thomas, and Wesley Morris are so fantastic and what they do. Greenwald and Papademas are quite excellent too, but there are few journalists/writers I enjoy reading more than those 4. Holly Anderson is also great, I need to read her piece on rattlesnake rodeos. Steven Hyden can go jump in a lake though.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:07
|
|
|
I enjoy Steven Hyden but his opinions are really strange.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:51
|
|
|
DJExile posted:That guy was fired in pretty short order and posted a since-deleted rant about that as well. It's at the bottom of the article. The thing is he should have been booted for making these kinds of posts eons ago. While this was the worst I've seen from him it was not really any kind of shock that he actually went that far.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 16:03
|
|
|
BWV posted:Brian Phillips, Charles Pierce, Louisa Thomas, and Wesley Morris are so fantastic and what they do. Greenwald and Papademas are quite excellent too, but there are few journalists/writers I enjoy reading more than those 4. Greenwald is so loving bad. All the jokes he tries to shoehorn in are awful. If Fire Joe Morgan still existed he'd have caused the Food Metaphors tag to collapse from overuse.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 16:09
|
|
|
Andy Greenwald is a pretentious douche
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 16:49
|
|
|
Henchman of Santa posted:I enjoy Steven Hyden but his opinions are really strange. I think he's a good writer, but if I have to read about how Counting Crows is secretly a great band one more goddamn time Just admit they were your poo poo back in College, dude.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 19:41
|
|
|
Blast Fantasto posted:Just admit they were your poo poo back in College, dude. He has more or less said exactly this.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 19:51
|
|
|
Hi, this is Andy Greenwald and Chris Ryan and we're thrilled to bring you 60 minutes of smug chuckle-talking. RYAN: ThNks Andy I'm a potato with teeth. R.D. Mangles fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 29, 2015 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:21
|
|
|
E: quoted upon my own petard
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:23
|
|
|
R.D. Mangles posted:RYAN: ThNks Andy I'm a potato with teeth. lmao
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:25
|
|
|
Frackie Robinson posted:
I can assure you that Rev Halofan is completely sincere and unironic about his craziness
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 22:00
|
|
|
Benne posted:I can assure you that Rev Halofan is completely sincere and unironic about his craziness Okay I'll have to take your word for it. I thought it might have been one of those cases where he was only like 55% sincere.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 14:06
|
|
|
http://deadspin.com/haughty-dipshit-gregg-easterbrook-gone-from-espn-1701211035 Good riddance
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 16:10
|
|
|
DJExile posted:http://deadspin.com/haughty-dipshit-gregg-easterbrook-gone-from-espn-1701211035 every time I was reminded that column still existed I was stunned
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 16:16
|
|
|
DJExile posted:http://deadspin.com/haughty-dipshit-gregg-easterbrook-gone-from-espn-1701211035 God speed, you black emperor...  Pouring out a Flaming Thumbtack in your honor.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 16:25
|
|
|
Pappademas and Morris podcast is great and insightful with pop culture stuff. When I accidentally hear a minute or two of Greenwald and Ryan I cry. Unless you enjoy the idea of grown white men saying "Yo this is dope."
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 17:42
|
|
|
DJExile posted:http://deadspin.com/haughty-dipshit-gregg-easterbrook-gone-from-espn-1701211035 Man did Simmons steal his thunder or what
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 17:44
|
|
|
I like Morris' writing a ton but he's a total non-entity on those podcasts, it usually ends up being Pappademas monologuing to fill air while Morris occasionally chimes in with an "I don't know" or "Yeah, I guess so"
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 17:44
|
|
|
That "WTF is wrong with SAS?" article at the bottom is something else, too. Jesus.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 22:00
|
|
|
Brian Windhorst always seemed like a giant dork from his Sportscenter segments and Lebron-chaser gig, but he's somehow the 2nd best guest on Simmons's podcasts (after Haralabob). Shows how it's a total crap shoot with who translates to being entertaining on podcasts.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 23:15
|
|
|
Windhorst is good for providing inside information about Lebron and whatever team he is playing for. He doesn't know much about basketball but I find his appearances fascinating. He told a bunch of stories about how the Paul Pierce/Lebron feud began which I had never heard about.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 23:25
|
|
|
Niwrad posted:Windhorst is good for providing inside information about Lebron and whatever team he is playing for. He doesn't know much about basketball but I find his appearances fascinating. He told a bunch of stories about how the Paul Pierce/Lebron feud began which I had never heard about.
|
|
#
?
May 1, 2015 02:13
|
|
|
bearic posted:Yeah I loved his stuff, and he had some fascinating stories the last time he appeared. How the hell does that guy have inside info. they collective dick of Lebron's crew has been deep in his mouth for over a decade.
|
|
#
?
May 1, 2015 02:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 04:13 |
|
|
morestuff posted:I like Morris' writing a ton but he's a total non-entity on those podcasts, it usually ends up being Pappademas monologuing to fill air while Morris occasionally chimes in with an "I don't know" or "Yeah, I guess so" Really? Not sure I totally agree. He's got a lot to say when it comes to race and inputs a lot when its about recent movies.
|
|
#
?
May 1, 2015 04:12
|
|