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Nah, B-wings have a bunch of decent pilots. Ten numb is cool even though slightly overpriced, nera also has a pretty cool ability which she can use slightly more cheaply once the extra munitions are out. Most other ships only have one named pilot that is actually worth it
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alg posted:Counterpoint: the only named B-Wing pilot worth his points is Keyan Farlander Until Whisper changed everything about the game, the only named pilot worth a drat was Han Solo.
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Poopy Palpy posted:Until Whisper changed everything about the game, the only named pilot worth a drat was Han Solo. Biggs Darklighter 
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Apr 29, 2015 15:33
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Poopy Palpy posted:Until Whisper changed everything about the game, the only named pilot worth a drat was Han Solo. Uh, Han Solo became good because of Whisper.
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Apr 29, 2015 15:36
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Han Solo was always good
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Apr 29, 2015 15:40
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Tekopo posted:Not at the moment/in the current meta. They aren't absolutely unworkable but they suffer a lot and since a B-Wing is only one point more, B-Wings are almost always a better choice. So the starting advice I saw of buying two starters, two tie fighter expansions and one xwing expansion is no longer applicable?
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Apr 29, 2015 15:46
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Howlrunner is the best named pilot? Also how does it work when you fly a small swarm z95s and you can not kill Fat Han. You loose a few and he just keeps circling using C3PO, R2D2, Lando. He wins on attrition when time is out?
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It depends if you want to run tie swarms or not. The xwing expansion is not strictly necessary but it is still fun to fly with Wedge, who's got a pretty nice pilot ability. It really depends on what you want to do with the game.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:So the starting advice I saw of buying two starters, two tie fighter expansions and one xwing expansion is no longer applicable? It still applies. Having enough dice and two sets of measuring templates is great. And the Tie swarm is as effective as ever. You could skip the Xwing expansion if you wanted but for $10 I'd still grab it.
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Phantom + mini swarm is still a good list. It was the forerunner to phantom/Baron + Decimator and is still good when the decimator doesn't cut it. I'd argue it's still better against IG*2 since you can use the swarm to box in and concentrate on one IG the same way you do with Z's. alg posted:Han Solo was always good It was fine, but never good, as in top tier, until phantoms and Z's came around. I remember clowning lists with those with XBBB or any other configuration of XB**. Of course, that's probably because people were terrible with piloting them and didn't figure out engine upgrade as the best mod yet. Z's gave them a good escort choice instead of the Han+Chewie config. Swarms' declining in popularity was also a big part of it and phantoms helped with that.
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Poopy Palpy posted:Until Whisper changed everything about the game, the only named pilot worth a drat was Han Solo. Corran Horn. Soontir Fel. Rexler Brath.
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Apr 29, 2015 16:23
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Rexler has never been good. I love the guy, but in no way is it a better choice than most other ships.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:14
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Watch as I make it obvious I've been into this game for less than a week: what configuration is Fat Han?
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Apr 29, 2015 17:33
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Usually some variation on Han + C3P0 + Predator + Falcon + Engine Upgrade Tala x3 This became popular because of Phantoms, basically
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It's sad that this is necessary, but good on them.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:16
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I reads like a copy/paste from any Magic:TG tournament.
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wtf guys we're supposed to be better than the magic group. 
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Chill la Chill posted:wtf guys we're supposed to be better than the magic group. Last weekend, I went to an escalation tournament (which I somehow won and went undefeated...no idea how) and there was a medium-ish group of Magic players in the same room, probably about 12 of them and 10 X-Wingers. Every twenty minutes or so, the entire room started to smell of wet farts on a hot day. It was overpowering. I have no idea if it was one of the M:TG players or an X-Winger, but no one would take claim of those crimes against humanity. After 3 times of this happening, I casually mentioned, "Whoever is dropping all that rear end, please stop". It still happened again during the. final round of the tournament, but at least there was a prolonged period of peace beforehand..
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I can't tell if this is dumb or indulgent or what. Part of me feels I should learn to fly tankier, easier lists. I also can't tell if this is considered cheesy or obnoxious to fly. Echo + VI + Enhanced Scopes + ACD Soontir + Ptl + Autothrusters Omicron + HLC + Rebel Captive + Tactical Jammer Instead of the HLC I used to have a Stealth device on Soontir and Vader in the shuttle, and decided I wanted the shuttle lurking around on the outside more taking range 3 shots. Thoughts?
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yellowjournalism posted:I can't tell if this is dumb or indulgent or what. Part of me feels I should learn to fly tankier, easier lists. I also can't tell if this is considered cheesy or obnoxious to fly. Maybe find a way to fit Mara Jade into the Phantom? That plus Rebel Captive feels like a potentially potent combo.
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Sombody needs to come up with a catchy little easy to remember thing that helps remind people of what to do when bumping into varoius things. On that note there is also an A-Wing pilot that is able to shoot people that he is run into. Him and the wierd ramming guy in the Decimator are the only ones that really take advantage of it directly.
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Arvel isn't good. His lack of an EPT makes him really subpar compared to every A-Wing that has one (including the generic one 3 PS below him) and his mediocre pilot skill makes running into things difficult against what you really want to actually run into and also keeps you from using an action.
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I picked up a Firespray today. Imperial Kath Scarlet seems like she'd work pretty well with Calculation and Recon Specialist. Thoughts?
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Endman posted:I picked up a Firespray today. Imperial Kath Scarlet seems like she'd work pretty well with Calculation and Recon Specialist. Thoughts? I'm considering experimenting with Imperial Firesprays, and that sounds like a good start. I mean, I've got a million lists I want to try, but I've flown the Scum Firespray a couple of times now, gotta change things up. Anyway, maybe throw a Mangler Cannon on there for some extra fun? Imp Kath with a Mangler Cannon, Calculation, Recon Spec, and an Engine Upgrade comes out to 50 points on the nose. A couple of Royal Guard Interceptor pilots with Autothrusters and Veteran Instincts makes it an even 100. Edit; Another option is swap out Calculation and the Recon Spec for Tactician and another 1-2 point EPT. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Kai Tave posted:I'm considering experimenting with Imperial Firesprays, and that sounds like a good start. I mean, I've got a million lists I want to try, but I've flown the Scum Firespray a couple of times now, gotta change things up. Anyway, maybe throw a Mangler Cannon on there for some extra fun? Imp Kath with a Mangler Cannon, Calculation, Recon Spec, and an Engine Upgrade comes out to 50 points on the nose. I was thinking of pairing her with a miniswarm (Howl + 3xAcademy), but that means foregoing Engine Upgrade. Either that or keeping the Engine Upgrade and having 3 named TIE pilots. Maybe Dark Curse, Backstabber and Mithel. Endman fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 10:12
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Finally, X-Wing has achieved true miniature wargame status.
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Now we don't even have the moral high ground. I prided myself as part of the x-wing community.
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Chill la Chill posted:Now we don't even have the moral high ground. I prided myself as part of the x-wing community. To borrow a phrase ... Cry casual.
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alg posted:Counterpoint: the only named B-Wing pilot worth his points is Keyan Farlander Ibtisam+Evasiveness is deceptively evasive.
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The WV Regional this weekend is gonna have the 3x3 playmats as top 8 prizes.  Anyone here going?Cobbsprite posted:To borrow a phrase ... Cry casual. I am, friend.
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I wanged today, but not as much as I would have liked (story of my life, really). Got one game in. My opponent was running Lando with Nien Numb in the Falcon with a couple of Green Squadron A-Wings with Push the Limit and Proton Rockets. In my corner was a list based on something someone floated here earlier: Drea Renthal -Proton Torpedoes -Extra Munitions (proxied) -Autoblaster Turret -Munitions Failsafe -Unhinged Astromech Kavil -Veteran Instincts -Bomb Loadout -Blaster Turret -R4 Agromech -Proton Bombs Palob Godalhi -Veteran Instincts -Blaster Turret -Recon Specialist -Moldy Crow Team Turrets, as I affectionately call them, did pretty well despite both of us rolling like poo poo for most of the game, but in the end I rolled marginally less like poo poo. Also, Palob. Not once during the entire game did I get to make use of Palob's ability because my opponent refused to focus or evade when Palob was in range...but that's essentially how Palob usefulness manifests as far as I can tell, by making your opponent unwilling to do beneficial things lest you steal them. By the time he blew Palob out of the sky it was too late to save the Falcon and one of the A-Wings had been disintegrated earlier thanks to a focused Proton Torpedo courtesy of Drea. Once again, Proton Torpedo versus A-Wing proves to be a one-sided match. I wound up winning after his remaining A-Wing slammed into an asteroid with a Stunned Pilot card. I think the FAQ specifies that you have to actually end your movement on the obstacle to take the damage but I think he was ready to concede anyway since he had an A-Wing with one hull against a nearly uninjured Drea and Kavil minus shields. Things of note: 1). My opponent actually argued that the Blaster Turret/R4 Agromech combo was invalid because, in his words, spending a focus in order to use a secondary weapon isn't part of the attack itself. I'm pretty sure this is bullshit but nothing in the rulebook clearly spells it out that we could see. He agreed to let it ride but I sent an email to FFG just so I have something to show, because Kavil + R4 + Blaster Turret is becoming a mainstay of my Scum lists. 2). Torpedoes: not that useless, and the Extra Munitions making them cheaper certainly isn't an unwelcome bonus. On the other hand, Proton Bombs: not terribly exciting. I did nail an A-Wing with one but sadly didn't get Direct Hit to one-shot it. I think next time I'll go with a Proximity Mine since being able to drop three red dice on someone dogging your Y-Wing's tail sounds like a pretty good deal, and plus it's cheaper. 3). The HWK is still a sluggish shitheap to fly, but I'm getting better at it. On the one hand I feel like Recon Spec plus Moldy Crow could be viewed as spending too many points for what it does, but between being able to bank focus points early on (which helped when the HWK got nailed with Damaged Sensor Array and couldn't take actions for a couple turns) and both shoot and focus the Blaster Turret I'm kinda liking it. 4). That said I'm not as sold on the Autoblaster, that Range 1 hurts even on an Unhinged Y-Wing. I only shot it twice all game and while it landed some damage I don't know if it was totally worth it. Thinking of swapping it out for an Ion Cannon since the Blaster Turrets leave me with no long-range options outside of torpedoes. 5). As nice as Kavil is with that setup it more or less means you can either try to set up an attack with the Blaster Turret during your turn OR go for a red maneuver but you can never do both, and so I often find that he winds up drifting away from the main fighting after a while since his hard 3 turns and K-turns are all red. The turret helps a bit, but being limited to Range 2 still means that there are occasional turns where I'm not in a position to shoot with him, and I need to get better about determining when to say gently caress it and eat the stress even if it means I'm down to shooting with the nose guns.
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So is there a point to ever blowing your action on Evade instead of Focus? It just seems consistently suboptimal.
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grassy gnoll posted:So is there a point to ever blowing your action on Evade instead of Focus? It just seems consistently suboptimal. Han and Whisper both use it because its a guaranteed evade every round and because they have other ways to modify their attacks/defense. Other expensive dogfighter ships like Interceptors pair it with a PTL+focus to turtle up.
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^^^Also this, once you start getting cards like Push the Limit or pilots like Darth Vader where multiple actions become possible, Focus becomes a good way to add some extra defense while also doing other stuff.grassy gnoll posted:So is there a point to ever blowing your action on Evade instead of Focus? It just seems consistently suboptimal. Evade is a guaranteed cancellation of a single hit. It's not as flexible as a focus in the sense that you can't spend it offensively (barring certain pilot abilities)...but a focus won't do anything for you if you roll blanks instead of eyeballs. It definitely shines on ships with lower Agility...there's a reason the Millenium Falcon title gives the YT-1300 the Evade action as an upgrade...but even on ships with higher Agility like TIEs it's useful when you want a greater ability to guarantee that even if you roll like poo poo you'll have the ability to blunt or even negate an attack aimed at you.
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grassy gnoll posted:So is there a point to ever blowing your action on Evade instead of Focus? It just seems consistently suboptimal. In my experience, Evade is particularly useful when you're going to take multiple shots in one turn or want to discourage your enemy from targeting a specific ship. If you're only going to have to dodge lasers from one enemy, you're better off (mathematically) taking a Focus action, especially since it's also useful on the offense, but if you're going to take multiple shots, then it can be useful to have the Evade in your pocket to choose exactly WHEN you'll dodge a damage. It's been useful to take a normal hit and duck a crit later in the round. Lastly, if you have an Evade on a ship, an enemy is probably going to be more hesitant to fire at it. He KNOWS you're going to dodge one guaranteed damage, so he's slightly less effective against that target. Taking an evade on a more valuable or wounded fighter and leaving someone else in his sights is one way to encourage him to pick on the lesser target instead.
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grassy gnoll posted:So is there a point to ever blowing your action on Evade instead of Focus? It just seems consistently suboptimal. The defence die has 3 evade, 2 focus and 3 blanks on it, so if you actually want to cancel out an enemy hit, taking the evade action is massively better for your odds.
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Yup, an evade is the equivalent to a focus with 4 green dice.
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Cobbsprite posted:... If you're only going to have to dodge lasers from one enemy, you're better off (mathematically) taking a Focus action, especially since it's also useful on the offense, but if you're going to take multiple shots, then it can be useful to have the Evade in your pocket to choose exactly WHEN you'll dodge a damage... I'm betting this is what's throwing me. I haven't gotten to play against more than three ships at a time, so I haven't been up against that kind of focused fire yet. I look forward to bring eaten alive by a TIE swarm. Is there a good place to look to for theorycrafting stuff?
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