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Endless Mike posted:Wait why do people keep saying the Braddocks are the Ultimate versions? Probably because that's the same design as their Ultimate versions.
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Was there ever an Ultimate Megan? I don't remember.
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May 16, 2015 20:47
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muscles like this? posted:Probably because that's the same design as their Ultimate versions. And Hickman gave a much bigger poo poo about Jamie (and told almost the same self-sacrifice story) in his Ultimates run than he does about Brian.
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May 16, 2015 22:42
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Alien Rope Burn posted:So, I was really hoping the second issue would pull me into the crossover, but it really didn't happen. Maybe it was the roughly twenty pages of "Doom mediates a dispute I have zero reason to care about" that didn't help, but for something named Battleworld, it was a relatively sedate issue. Maybe it was all the "let me tell you about the world, as if you did not inhabit it" dialogue. I had a hard time putting my finger on it, but sitting back, I asked myself "Is there a single character in this book whose story would compel me to read more?" After some thought, I settled on "... Jamie Braddock?" with fairly muted enthusiasm. And when Ultimate Jamie Braddock is the only character that interests, there are real issues with the book for me. The protagonists didn't appear in this issue. This was just to set the stage, give some background on Battleworld, and show that the Cabal is loose.
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May 16, 2015 22:55
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Here's some interesting news on Secret Wars & what comes after. They seem to be hinting at a revival of Exiles with that comment about heroes from dead universes. That, or they'll all be emigrating to 616.
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May 16, 2015 23:19
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Skwirl posted:Isn't the 616 version of Jamie an insane reality warper and the Ultimate Version just Captain Britain Mk. 2?
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May 16, 2015 23:32
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Codependent Poster posted:The protagonists didn't appear in this issue. This was just to set the stage, give some background on Battleworld, and show that the Cabal is loose. I still have to be interested in what happens next within the context of the issue. The classic argument for Hickman's runs is that they hold together better as a whole, but since they're published issue by issue, they still have to hook me in based on that format.
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May 16, 2015 23:33
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Yvonmukluk posted:Here's some interesting news on Secret Wars & what comes after. OK, as long as Blink is around. 
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May 16, 2015 23:57
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I haven't been a big Hickman fan but this sounds good, so now I guess I need to read 70-odd issues of Avengers and New Avengers ...
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May 17, 2015 01:16
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Why can't all of Secret Wars just be the adventures of smug rear end in a top hat Sinister? Have him team up with smug rear end in a top hat Namor.
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May 17, 2015 01:18
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OR you can just jump right in and see how it goes! I vote for that!
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May 17, 2015 01:19
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Endless Mike posted:OR you can just jump right in and see how it goes! I vote for that! As someone who's doing that, SW is pretty wtf I'm having to read 60+ issues of random comics to get this together lol
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May 17, 2015 01:21
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Hickman is really good at story and concept but not the greatest at character. it's a weird place for a writer to be. I'm fascinated by the events and world building but don't give a poo poo about any of the players, like that other dude was saying.  I still like it mostly but I could see myself getting bored of there's no emotional hooks soon.
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May 17, 2015 01:25
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Hickman is really good at story and concept but not the greatest at character. it's a weird place for a writer to be. I'm fascinated by the events and world building but don't give a poo poo about any of the players, like that other dude was saying. THe most recent issue was all character, in my opinion.
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May 17, 2015 01:28
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Anyone that says he's not good at character must not have read any of his Fantastic Four run. Or very little of his Avengers. It's chock full of character moments.
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May 17, 2015 01:30
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In the span of an issue he managed to lay out some pretty unique characterization for Young Thor, Old Thor, Baron Sinister, Doom, Strange and their entourage, the Braddocks.. all of it worked very well in this readers opinion. Even the court scenes where you got glimpses of Apocalypse and Lewd Jean Grey, you could tell what they were all about just from a few lines and Esad's art.
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May 17, 2015 01:31
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Yeah Hickman's problem isn't characterization, it's juggling that large cast throughout his avengers run so minor members inevitably got left in the sidelines.
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May 17, 2015 01:34
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Deadpool posted:Anyone that says he's not good at character must not have read any of his Fantastic Four run. Or very little of his Avengers. It's chock full of character moments. His Fantastic Four was solid for it from what I recall, mainly in regards to Mr. Fantastic. Avengers... I'm sure there had to be some in the year or so I read, but damned if I can recall any.
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May 17, 2015 01:41
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I wonder how Sinister took his day. Oh I'm being dragged off to court! Oh I'm being accused of mostly true slander! Might as well go for the trial by combat. My head! Hell yea I'm going to get to kill a Braddock! Hell yea all the Braddocks are going to die! gently caress!
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May 17, 2015 01:47
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Five books a month will do that to you.
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Endless Mike posted:OR you can just jump right in and see how it goes! I vote for that! Some enterprising goon should write up a full plot summary. 
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May 17, 2015 01:49
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What issues of FF did he write that have to get added to the pile?
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May 17, 2015 02:31
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site posted:What issues of FF did he write that have to get added to the pile? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Foundation#Collected_editions
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May 17, 2015 02:33
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Alien Rope Burn posted:His Fantastic Four was solid for it from what I recall, mainly in regards to Mr. Fantastic. Avengers... I'm sure there had to be some in the year or so I read, but damned if I can recall any. Missed the "Cannonball and Sunspot go to the casino with AIM" issue, then?
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May 17, 2015 03:11
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muscles like this? posted:Probably because that's the same design as their Ultimate versions. Only Jamie is using his Ultimate design. Brian is wearing his costume from Captain Britain & MI-13, Betsy is wearing her Captain Britain costume from the Alan Davis run and Meggan never even appeared in an Ultimate book.
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May 17, 2015 03:35
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Horrible Taste posted:Only Jamie is using his Ultimate design. Brian is wearing his costume from Captain Britain & MI-13, Betsy is wearing her Captain Britain costume from the Alan Davis run and Meggan never even appeared in an Ultimate book. I suspect that looking for one-to-one comparisons between Secret Wars characters and Marvel Universe characters is ultimately going to prove futile; Battleworld is a patchwork universe built by Doom, and I'd expect it to be populated largely by other-dimensional analogues of various characters. Trying to say "Oh, this is Ultimate Jamie" or "this is 616 Jean" or whatever is always going to be a fool's errand.
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May 17, 2015 04:36
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All I know is Mr. Sinister was fabulous and now I want a Hickman written X-book.
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site posted:What issues of FF did he write that have to get added to the pile? All of volume 1.
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hope and vaseline posted:All I know is Mr. Sinister was fabulous and now I want a Hickman written X-book. I dont want the rest of the x-men, I just want a book about Sinister flaming the hell out of everyone on Battleworld.
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May 17, 2015 05:03
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I want a guide taking us through every region of battleworld narrated by Sinister.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I suspect that looking for one-to-one comparisons between Secret Wars characters and Marvel Universe characters is ultimately going to prove futile; Battleworld is a patchwork universe built by Doom, and I'd expect it to be populated largely by other-dimensional analogues of various characters. Trying to say "Oh, this is Ultimate Jamie" or "this is 616 Jean" or whatever is always going to be a fool's errand. The only ones who are explicitly 616 or Ultimate versions are the ones who actually got in the lifeboats.
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Deadpool posted:Anyone that says he's not good at character must not have read any of his Fantastic Four run. Or very little of his Avengers. It's chock full of character moments. ...Okay...that came out harsher than I'd intended...but the point remains. 
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May 17, 2015 05:15
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Nah man, that's pretty on point.
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Hickman's Avengers is the Mad Men of Marvel. - me, just now in this post
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May 17, 2015 05:22
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Hickman is the best Marvel writer since Jack Kirby. THERE I SAID IT, IT'S OUT THERE IN THE WILD...FEAR IT!
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May 17, 2015 05:45
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I also kinda find it hilarious how much time and energy was devoted to characters and concepts like Smasher, Pod, the Cthulhu horror universe that killed Alpha Flight, Cannonball, Captain Britain's addition to the Illuminati, and Starbrand. All of them just kinda fizzled out with how much they really ended up paying off in the general scheme of things. Oh wow, Cannonball and Smasher had some sort of mutant baby. The Captain Britain's corps were destroyed, maybe the incursions really ARE bad news! Blahblah Map Maker, sentient Earth, Super-Adaptoid AIM lesbian, whatever. Remember newuniversal? Well it's back, and then all the characters are dead again fighting at the end of the Multiverse in a battle that was entirely pointless. Hickman's Avengers is pretty much the ultimate shaggy dog story in some respects.
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May 17, 2015 06:06
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There's nothing wrong with laying down plot hooks in a long form serial though for other writers to explore or to pick up down the track yourself. Hell, the long running 'All hope lies in Doom' didnt pay off for 4 entire years.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Missed the "Cannonball and Sunspot go to the casino with AIM" issue, then? Yeah, that's like... issue 11? I only made it to issue 9 or 10. Go figure. I mean, that part in issue 1 where Sunspot and Cannonball are like "Yes! The Avengers!" was great!... and then they faded into the background for most of the issues I read, IIRC. SynthOrange posted:There's nothing wrong with laying down plot hooks in a long form serial though for other writers to explore or to pick up down the track yourself. Some of us are old enough to remember when very similar things were said about Claremont or Bendis. I think Hickman's better at managing the threads, but when you bounce between books like he did, there's got to be some making-it-up-as-you-go going on.
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Hm, trying to pick at a few things that I'm curious about in the issue. That Galactus-Sentinel hybrid thing. Is there parts of one more creature in there? Who has flaming floating arms and feet and a head? Ghost Rider doesnt fit. Those statues in the underground. They look more like giant fossilized corpses. The ledge that Alex stands under looks like parts of scale mail, the shape of the head is pretty human and the mask suggests Cap? And there's another one there with the chest blasted open and ribs poking out. Alien Rope Burn posted:when you bounce between books like he did, there's got to be some making-it-up-as-you-go going on. It's a comic book. Everything is made up. Sunspot and Cannonball feature more in Avengers World. Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 06:33 on May 17, 2015 |
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No there isn't anything wrong with it, but Franklin's role, both plot wise and emotionally, in that story was much more than saying "Welp, see you down the line when this Doom thing pays off!". Just because it's a serial doesn't mean that a character should be introduced in Avengers and only have a real role in Avengers World or whatever. I'm a believer in the idea that if you introduce an element in the story, that element should serve the story it's a part of. What was the ultimate point of the New Universe stuff? Incursions are bad and everything is messed up. Okay, fine. But what did Nightmask and Starbrand end up doing for the story in and of itself? Speak some technobabble and be used as a nuke in Infinity and New Avengers #32. They were sorta just there. They spent a lot of time on Sol's Hammer and really only got screen time in other comics. There's a lot of hullabaloo about Hickman's use of all these threads and how it all "pays off" years down the road. But did anyone really give a poo poo about Starbrand and Nightmask's sacrifices? I really didn't because they just were these characters who moved issues along solely by virtue of their powers. The whole multiverse Avengers thing kinda was hilarious since it just tossed a bunch of lose ends into the garbage heap.
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