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Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
My problems with reddit are the upvote system, for the reasons you guys already touched on - it's impossible to actually discuss anything, dissenting opinions get silenced regardless of quality and it reinforces little cool cliques - and a younger userbase, because teenagers are and always will be poo poo. It`s a decent place for niche discussion, tho, especially for games. I feel like it has replaced GameFAQs in a lot of ways.

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Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
The only places on there you can discuss anything is in subreddits that are too small for the votes to do anything and/or that are narrow enough that there aren't a lot of controversies. But I mean, eh, just don't even try. Use it to find relevant links to things you're interested in, and/or cat gifs, and leave it at that. Find somewhere else to have conversations. Other than that, the fact that it's a massive site where anyone can get an account in ten seconds and there are way too many subreddits for anyone to keep track of means you're going to run the gamut from decent to knots of undiluted :wtc:. Thankfully most of it is just dumb and not directly offensive.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Dias posted:

My problems with reddit are the upvote system, for the reasons you guys already touched on - it's impossible to actually discuss anything, dissenting opinions get silenced regardless of quality and it reinforces little cool cliques - and a younger userbase, because teenagers are and always will be poo poo. It`s a decent place for niche discussion, tho, especially for games. I feel like it has replaced GameFAQs in a lot of ways.

Reddit was decent on small subreddits based on specific games, like /r/XCOM and /r/grimrock, but nowadays they're just dumping grounds for people trying to make LPs.

The bigger subreddits are entirely useless because everyone will upvote memes and downvote anything else. I saw a post where some guy compared American police to the SS, and said "At least the SS had a noble goal" :shepface:

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
"The reddit community" is much like "the people who use google searches" community.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

"The reddit community" is much like "the people who use google searches" community.

Those fuckin scumbags. It's all about Bing these days.

Spielmeister
Mar 31, 2014

Choco1980 posted:

Honestly, the reason I prefer SA to other LP options is the forum interactivity. Yeah, you can leave comments, but it isn't anywhere near the forum style, and I like being able to have conversations with thw LPer. I might be a weirdo.

That's actually something I've been thinking about lately. The thread/community aspect of the LPs here is something I never see come up in SA vs. YouTube discussions, but it is one of the main differences when you think about it. The posters here can contribute to the LP in various ways like fan art, or things like Orange Fluffy Sheeps's low level run of FF7 in Elentor's thread, or the legislatures in the various Paradox threads. The LPer is just the biggest contributor to the LP.

Contrast that with YouTube where communities are going to spring up around an individual's channel since that's just the way YouTube is structured. Since they don't have a central location to post LPs YouTubers kept finding more obnoxious ways of generating attention for their videos so they wouldn't get lost in the pile. It's only gotten worse since financial incentives were added to the mix.

IGgy IGsen
Apr 11, 2013

"If I lose I will set myself on fire."
Interaction with the thread is the main reason I post LPs here. I'm member of another LP Forum which is a great community but interaction is minimal due to a small member base. SA on the other hand is huge enough that you'll find someone willing to participate in most threads.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




IGgy IGsen posted:

Interaction with the thread is the main reason I post LPs here. I'm member of another LP Forum which is a great community but interaction is minimal due to a small member base. SA on the other hand is huge enough that you'll find someone willing to participate in most threads.

Like Glazius!

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.
Glazius is a forums treasure and I'm always glad to see a Glazius post.

IGgy IGsen
Apr 11, 2013

"If I lose I will set myself on fire."
So I'm not the only one who noticed him? Good to see Glazius appreciated.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


I get your main point, but a lot of YouTube personalities get fanart too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ5xHcnTcKI

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I'm up there with the community part of SA contributing to quality LPs. You end up basically having a shared experience with not only the LPer, but also a bunch of other people from the same community and possibly same fandom who can all talk and collaborate and share ideas and humor. YouTube is closer to film or TV, where the content creator spends most of their time apart from the audience and rarely interacting with them (and never really giving personal attention to any member's opinion), and the rest of the audience is mostly a faceless conglomerate occasionally shouting louder than someone else.

Suzaku
Feb 15, 2012
On youtube I just watch the videos and ignore the comments. On SA, even if an LP is in the archives I like to go fish up and read the whole topic rather than just the OP's updates. The community makes a huge difference. Sometimes they're a lot of what makes the thing bearable in the first place.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It's kind of why I prefer Twitch streaming to YouTube in some ways. At least with a Twitch stream there is some interaction/communication with the "Let's Play"

Especially if it's like a "By Committee" sort of stream using a game like Prison Architect, Kerbal Space Program, etc. that makes the interaction natural and can be tied into the game.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Here's something interesting: the lead programmer of Republic Commando plays through the game and recounts his recollections of its development.

Roaper
Mar 23, 2012

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

Yvonmukluk posted:

Here's something interesting: the lead programmer of Republic Commando plays through the game and recounts his recollections of its development.

Oh man! I loving loved that game, and I think it was the first game I had on my own PC. Aw yeah, guess I got something to do till the Volition Stream comes on.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Republic Commando was, albeit flawed in different ways, a really neat idea that I wish got another whack at. I also like the ideas of "Devs Play" and talk about the games they worked on while playing it years after it was released. It's kinda neat.

Edit - Slowbeef, you should probably skype some pro-tips for Snakebird to Totalbiscuit. He's not a pro-Snakebird streamer like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgiXklIELk

(skip to 15mins)

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jun 5, 2015

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 12 days!
please dont ask anyone to talk to total "i hated him before he became the ur-poo poo" biscuit

Spark That Bled
Jan 29, 2010

Hungry for responsibility. Horny for teamwork.

And ready to
BUST A NUT
up in this job!

Skills include:
EIGHT-FOOT VERTICAL LEAP

Unfunny Poster posted:

Republic Commando was, albeit flawed in different ways, a really neat idea that I wish got another whack at. I also like the ideas of "Devs Play" and talk about the games they worked on while playing it years after it was released. It's kinda neat.

Edit - Slowbeef, you should probably skype some pro-tips for Snakebird to Totalbiscuit. He's not a pro-Snakebird streamer like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgiXklIELk

(skip to 15mins)

It wasn't just Snakebird. During Flame Over, he seemed to have a habit of dashing right into a firey room, or ignoring things still on fire while moving into the next room.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
To be fair Snakebird gets ball-bustingly hard (perhaps not at that particular point, but) and I still haven't beaten all of it, so thanks slowbeef. :argh:

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
I got farther in Dark Souls than I did Snakebird.

slowbeef
Mar 15, 2005

Will Harvey hates you, and everything you stand for.
Pillbug

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

To be fair Snakebird gets ball-bustingly hard (perhaps not at that particular point, but) and I still haven't beaten all of it, so thanks slowbeef. :argh:

You're very welcome.

Snakebird rules.

Stink Terios
Oct 17, 2012


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ec_ozQ4tc

Man, Best Friends' Freedom Planet LP is something to behold. I've never seen two people so giddy and having so much fun with a game, and it's refreshing seeing FP finally being given the praise it deserves.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
Personally I've always thought Freedom Planet as a game best held off on LPing until the Torque/Spade/Milla's Adventure Mode DLC comes out; that way, the LPer could dedicate a single video to each stage and highlight where paths or bosses differ between all five characters, instead of, say, doing full playthroughs as each character and all the redundancy that'd come with that, or a single playthrough as one character (typically Lilac) that'd miss out on the stuff the other characters go through (eg: entire character-specific stages like Aqua Tunnel, Trap Hideout or Pangu Lagoon).

Unfortunately, it's been a while since I've heard anything about the status of that update. I know Torque was playable at PAX South and East (slowbeef briefly mentioned his hands-on with him in a Retsutalk), but he's not been made available to us alpha/beta testers as-yet. Spade was playable in several stages in alphas/betas, at least...

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Stink Terios posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ec_ozQ4tc

Man, Best Friends' Freedom Planet LP is something to behold. I've never seen two people so giddy and having so much fun with a game, and it's refreshing seeing FP finally being given the praise it deserves.

Hopefully, that enthusiasm holds up when they hit the final set of levels where it feels like the design mentality flipped a switch from :buddy: to :bang: There were plenty of people defending BRevon's final form's ability to air juggle chain you to death from full health if things go suddenly wrong near release though as "You just don't GET oldschool games, huh :smug:"

Still, I was amazed at how well put together and fun the majority of the game was. Even as I sighed on replays as the easiest panda riding a robot boss in the world dragged out ten times as long because Cats can't double jump and gotta rely on wall leaps to hit them half the time. Aside from "Boss optimized for Lilac" moments I had a much more fun time playing as the Cat through the levels themselves.

Mother loving christ, I missed Lilac's double jump so loving much on Brevon's second form. Went from "Oh that went by in 30 seconds and I didn't get hurt" to literally half my deaths for my Cat run.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Shadow Hog posted:

Personally I've always thought Freedom Planet as a game best held off on LPing until the Torque/Spade/Milla's Adventure Mode DLC comes out; that way, the LPer could dedicate a single video to each stage and highlight where paths or bosses differ between all five characters, instead of, say, doing full playthroughs as each character and all the redundancy that'd come with that, or a single playthrough as one character (typically Lilac) that'd miss out on the stuff the other characters go through (eg: entire character-specific stages like Aqua Tunnel, Trap Hideout or Pangu Lagoon).

Unfortunately, it's been a while since I've heard anything about the status of that update. I know Torque was playable at PAX South and East (slowbeef briefly mentioned his hands-on with him in a Retsutalk), but he's not been made available to us alpha/beta testers as-yet. Spade was playable in several stages in alphas/betas, at least...


Section Z posted:

Hopefully, that enthusiasm holds up when they hit the final set of levels where it feels like the design mentality flipped a switch from :buddy: to :bang: There were plenty of people defending BRevon's final form's ability to air juggle chain you to death from full health if things go suddenly wrong near release though as "You just don't GET oldschool games, huh :smug:"

Still, I was amazed at how well put together and fun the majority of the game was. Even as I sighed on replays as the easiest panda riding a robot boss in the world dragged out ten times as long because Cats can't double jump and gotta rely on wall leaps to hit them half the time. Aside from "Boss optimized for Lilac" moments I had a much more fun time playing as the Cat through the levels themselves.

Mother loving christ, I missed Lilac's double jump so loving much on Brevon's second form. Went from "Oh that went by in 30 seconds and I didn't get hurt" to literally half my deaths for my Cat run.

Someone care to translate these posts from jargonese to plain English?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

From what I can figure, there are more playable characters planned for an update that have been a long time in development and also the game gets bullshit hard at the end.

kvx687
Dec 29, 2009

Soiled Meat
Freedom Planet is a game that has multiple characters. The first one in the list, and thus the one you're most likely to use in your first playthrough, has a double jump, but the other characters do not. This means that on subsequent playthroughs you will have a difficult time adjusting to not being able to avoid all attacks by double jumping, as you no longer have that ability.

The developers are planning on releasing additional characters through DLC, but have not done so yet. This is important because each character plays very differently, and some characters can play through levels that other characters do not.

The final boss is very hard, whereas most of the game before that is fairly easy.

I hope this explains everything you need.

F. Lobot
Jul 6, 2010

Klaus88 posted:

Someone care to translate these posts from jargonese to plain English?

I haven't played the game but-

"Let's plays of Freedom Planet would benefit to wait until the DLC is released. Who knows when that will happen though."

"The game is fun but frustratingly hard towards the end. Some bosses are designed with only one character in mind."

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

Stink Terios posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ec_ozQ4tc

Man, Best Friends' Freedom Planet LP is something to behold. I've never seen two people so giddy and having so much fun with a game, and it's refreshing seeing FP finally being given the praise it deserves.

yet there are still people in their comments section going "ugh i can't believe they're pretending to like such a lovely game, it's really obvious how mediocre they think it is"

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
I think what everyone means to say is that it's a badly designed Sonic fangame with awkward physics and terrible voice acting/cutscenes and nobody wants to admit it.

F. Lobot
Jul 6, 2010

Is there a character that plays like Gunstar Heroes?

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies

F. Lobot posted:

Is there a character that plays like Gunstar Heroes?
That'd be Torque, the DLC character that's only been playable at PAX.

Stink Terios
Oct 17, 2012


It should be mentioned that all the upcoming DLC is gonna be free.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Stink Terios posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ec_ozQ4tc

Man, Best Friends' Freedom Planet LP is something to behold. I've never seen two people so giddy and having so much fun with a game, and it's refreshing seeing FP finally being given the praise it deserves.
I've never watched these guys before but man this is fun. :allears:

Cheez posted:

I think what everyone means to say is that it's a badly designed Sonic fangame with awkward physics and terrible voice acting/cutscenes and nobody wants to admit it.
I also like posting YouTube comments about how game is bad and the player's enthusiasm is hiding the fact that they don't want to admit game is bad.

judge reinhold
Jul 26, 2001
Why would someone intentionally play a bad game and pretend to have a fun time? That's so stupid.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Cheez posted:

I think what everyone means to say is that it's a badly designed Sonic fangame with awkward physics and terrible voice acting/cutscenes and nobody wants to admit it.

Look, whenever you feel like accusing people of not liking something, but only pretending to, I want you to go find the worst fetish porn you can find and realize that people can't possible be doing this for social reasons.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:

Nihilarian posted:

I also like posting YouTube comments about how game is bad and the player's enthusiasm is hiding the fact that they don't want to admit game is bad.



The Vosgian Beast posted:

Look, whenever you feel like accusing people of not liking something, but only pretending to, I want you to go find the worst fetish porn you can find and realize that people can't possible be doing this for social reasons.

I like the part where you're adding words I never said to my message because you have nothing to fight back with. Grow the gently caress up, you spent $10 to get here, so act like it. You can totally be a loving retard and like bad games and still have no idea anything about them is bad, you know.

This game is so perfect it apparently uses lovely sonic 4 physics that let you slowly walk ten miles up a wall and over a ceiling BY DESIGN according to loyal fans!

Cheez fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jun 9, 2015

slowbeef
Mar 15, 2005

Will Harvey hates you, and everything you stand for.
Pillbug

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Am I the only one that doesn't really like Super Best Friends? There's that one guy who just yells 99% of the time about random poo poo that irritates me for some reason.

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