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cheetah7071 posted:Because the rules say so? A type changing effect that doesn't specify that it keeps its old types makes it lose them. Yeah that's what I was asking. No need for the question mark. Elyv posted:If you see the line of text "A becomes B" on a card, it means it loses all of its previously relevant types and gains those new types instead, unless the card says otherwise. Thanks. So, if a card said "target creature becomes an artifact until end of turn", would it not be a creature ueot? What if it was already an artifact?
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Rinkles posted:Yeah that's what I was asking. No need for the question mark. It would either say "in addition to its other types" or they would just be artifacts. I believe every card that does this specifies in addition to existing types.
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Jun 17, 2015 02:00
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Rinkles posted:So, if a card said "target creature becomes an artifact until end of turn", would it not be a creature ueot? What if it was already an artifact? 1) Yes 2) It would become a non-creature artifact Similar card:  Ruling: quote:10/4/2004: The creature stops being a creature (or any other permanent type) and is just an enchantment with no abilities.
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Jun 17, 2015 02:00
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Thanks for entertaining my ignorance.
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Jun 17, 2015 02:01
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Sickening posted:I am kind of on the fence about how I I feel about this card. Considering we have a handful of better savannah lions in standard that don't see much play, no. But this guy has a lot more upside than soldier of the pantheon. Also holy cow cube slam dunk. Savannah lions I thought you'd never leave!
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Jun 17, 2015 02:03
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Is anyone watching SSL? Owen's deck is U/G Yisan with like 30 1-of creatures. It rules.
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Jun 17, 2015 02:08
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fuckin' hell, Gideon. How can you simultaneously appear to be horrendously broken and still absolute garbage in Hatebears? 
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Jun 17, 2015 02:43
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qbert posted:Is anyone watching SSL? Owen's deck is U/G Yisan with like 30 1-of creatures. It rules. Loses to Esper Dragons about as well as anything else 
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Jun 17, 2015 02:44
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So is Gideon Shazam?
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Jun 17, 2015 02:55
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ungulateman posted:fuckin' hell, Gideon. How can you simultaneously appear to be horrendously broken and still absolute garbage in Hatebears? Same way as Baneslayer Angel I guess
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Jun 17, 2015 03:02
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JerryLee posted:Loses to Esper Dragons about as well as anything else He's already clinched 1st in SSL so I appreciate playing basically a Commander deck in Standard because gently caress it.
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Jun 17, 2015 03:09
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Entropic posted:It'll be funny if Gideon is a creature that turns into a planeswalker that can turn into a creature. Back when we were guessing what Gideon did. This would be a pretty good general for a soldier EDH deck.
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Jun 17, 2015 03:51
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Gideon will be good in my Allies.dec Tiny Leader Deck
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Jun 17, 2015 04:19
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Ask Me For Warez posted:Gideon will be good in my Allies.dec Tiny Leader Deck I might actually switch Ghost Anafenza out for Gideon. Which is a shame because I really like Ghost Anafenza.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:39
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I choose to believe that having the god face form out of the sky behind him like that is a deliberate (Savannah) Lion King reference.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:40
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Has anyone guessed at a Gideon ignition card yet? Emergency Response WW Instant Summon two 1/1 white soldier tokens with haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step. I'm terrible at fake card design.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:43
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Has anyone guessed at a Gideon ignition card yet? That seems fairly red. Cool, but red.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:47
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Has anyone guessed at a Gideon ignition card yet? As awful as that is, I'd put a lot of fake Internet points on Gideon's "ignition" card making tokens. I'd like it to cost two mana, but that's probably too much to ask.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:48
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That'd be cool, but it would be pretty busted to have Gideon transformed immediately on turn 2.
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Jun 17, 2015 04:51
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Count Bleck posted:That seems fairly red. Cool, but red. 
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Jun 17, 2015 04:52
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The wombo combo of the day is t1 Ornithopter x2 plus Gideon.
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Jun 17, 2015 05:06
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Ramos posted:The wombo combo of the day is t1 Ornithopter x2 plus Gideon. Also, ESG+Concordant Crossroads.
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Jun 17, 2015 05:12
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They should just reprint Waylay for Gideon but errata it back to when it was white lightning
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Jun 17, 2015 05:16
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Rinkles posted:I was confused exactly because of KTK Sarkhan. Why does his +1 turn off his pw status?
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Jun 17, 2015 05:16
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Dr. Stab posted:Also, ESG+Concordant Crossroads. There is a modern-legal version of this.
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Jun 17, 2015 05:42
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They spoiled Gideon's Ignition not long after, surprised it didn't get posted here
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Jun 17, 2015 06:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:They spoiled Gideon's Ignition not long after, surprised it didn't get posted here 
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Jun 17, 2015 06:16
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I don't think Gideon is that insane. Most of the time the decks that want him don't have 3 spare mana to activate the indestructible ability, and if an aggressive deck can swing with a 2/1 plus two other creatures and have it live, they are probably winning the game anyway. I can maybe see it being good against control, but in this Standard control decks run a bunch of black spells that don't care about a creature being indestructible.
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Jun 17, 2015 06:45
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Allstone posted:Other people have explained how it works already, but I think why the templating is different might be because preventing damage isn't very red. I'm guessing on D.
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Jun 17, 2015 06:57
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Rinkles posted:I was confused exactly because of KTK Sarkhan. Why does his +1 turn off his pw status? The flavor behind Gideon turning into a creature is that he straight up walks into combat as himself. When Sarkhan turns into a dragon, he is no longer Sarkhan Vol, he is a (very good) dragon. Angry Grimace posted:Sarkhan doesn't prevent damage even in dragon form. He stops being a Planeswalker. I thought he was talking about the two gideons?
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Jun 17, 2015 08:29
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Gensuki posted:The flavor behind Gideon turning into a creature is that he straight up walks into combat as himself. When Sarkhan turns into a dragon, he is no longer Sarkhan Vol, he is a (very good) dragon. Even if he was, Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker turns into a creature and has different rules attached to him.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:30
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TheKingofSprings posted:They spoiled Gideon's Ignition not long after, surprised it didn't get posted here I like you. New Gideon could maybe be playable in Modern soul sisters?
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Jun 17, 2015 08:41
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Does it seem weird to anyone else that Origins is so storyline-vital and so new in the type of character building it's doing and at the same time Wizards is saying they'll never do it again? Or do they just mean it's the last time Origins will be in a core set slot and we might see a supplemental version of Origins in 3 years time for a new storyline?
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Jun 17, 2015 09:06
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Lancelot posted:Does it seem weird to anyone else that Origins is so storyline-vital and so new in the type of character building it's doing and at the same time Wizards is saying they'll never do it again? It means that this is the end of Core sets, and we're shifting to a pair of Large/Small sets that are storyline relevant each year. Reducing the time per plane from a year to six months will do a ton for worldbuilding.
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Jun 17, 2015 09:21
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Savannah Lions definitely would not be good enough for standard, we have pretty much entirely better alternatives (Soldier of the Pantheon, that warrior that exiles stuff) that don't see play. This seems potentially good with all the token makers around though.
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Hopping Ghost posted:I choose to believe that having the god face form out of the sky behind him like that is a deliberate (Savannah) Lion King reference. I just noticed that unflipped Gideon uses 'him' (which gets used for male planeswalkers) instead of 'it' (which gets used for all legendary creatures). Neat touch.
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Jun 17, 2015 09:34
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Could you do a RDW kind of thing with that new Gideon? That looks super cool. Throw in impact tremors and raise the alarm?
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Niton posted:It means that this is the end of Core sets, and we're shifting to a pair of Large/Small sets that are storyline relevant each year. Reducing the time per plane from a year to six months will do a ton for worldbuilding. Yeah, I know — but they've also said that Origins is setting up the backstory of the 5 planeswalkers who are going to feature in the next couple years' worth of stories (presumably, the destruction/resealing of the Eldrazi). Won't they want to do an Origins again when new planeswalkers become central to the story because of new villains? How can they do that if Origins is the last of the Core sets?
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Dohaeris posted:Could you do a RDW kind of thing with that new Gideon? That looks super cool. Throw in impact tremors and raise the alarm?
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Hmm we didnt originally plan for Gideon to be based in Theros so what if in Theros he was actually not Gideon!? *Magic writers do a jumping high five*
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