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FreudianSlippers posted:So what you're actually saying is that we shouldn't respect soldiers at all because they're basically a bunch of uselss drunken morons and that most of them never actually do anything? yeah and when they do something it's nothing good anyway
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Moridin920 posted:yeah and when they do something it's nothing good anyway What about humanitarian aid?
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Jul 14, 2015 19:43
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Applewhite posted:What about humanitarian aid? most of which gets stolen and appropriated by local warlords but yeah alright they get some points for that although you could say they do it to cover their true shittiness in the same way major corporations have HR departments
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Jul 14, 2015 19:44
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FreudianSlippers posted:So what you're actually saying is that we shouldn't respect soldiers at all because they're basically a bunch of uselss drunken morons and that most of them never actually do anything? They fight for your freedom. Moridin920 posted:most of which gets stolen and appropriated by local warlords but yeah alright they get some points for that Still a better track record than the Red Cross.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:06
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Moridin920 posted:most of which gets stolen and appropriated by local warlords but yeah alright they get some points for that A starving child that just received food from a US soldier: "I can't accept this food in good conscience, knowing it is nothing better than a disingenuous attempt to distract the American public from the cruel reality of your primary mission, which is to kill anyone who threatens your nation's hegemonic interests. Please take it back and leave our country in peace."
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Jul 14, 2015 20:07
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Applewhite posted:The valor being stolen is the fraudulent exploitation of the public perception that veterans are heroes and deserve special treatment. remember when you were funny lol
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Jul 14, 2015 20:08
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Applewhite posted:A starving child that just received food from a US soldier: "I can't accept this food in good conscience, knowing it is nothing better than a disingenuous attempt to distract the American public from the cruel reality of your primary mission, which is to kill anyone who threatens your nation's hegemonic interests. Please take it back and leave our country in peace." its weird how that child just popped out of another dimension fully formed but starving. oh well here have a snickers kiddo *steps over parents bodies*
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Jul 14, 2015 20:09
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Tezzor posted:remember when you were funny lol No. And what I have to tell jokes all the time now? I'm not your clown, Trezzor. Tezzor posted:its weird how that child just popped out of another dimension fully formed but starving. oh well here have a snickers kiddo *steps over parents bodies* Why would a child that popped out of another dimension, fully formed and starving have dead parents in this dimension? Caught in your own logical contradiction.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:13
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Applewhite posted:No. way to miss the point goodsir. nuke your brain with aids. my 1s
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Jul 14, 2015 20:15
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Tezzor posted:way to miss the point goodsir. nuke your brain with aids. my 1s Yeah yeah. Your point is that, somehow, US soldiers are responsible for all the world's orphans and that every single person we help is also somehow our victim. I guess the Navy causes all those hurricanes just so it can look good building sandbag dams and delivering bottled water, too?
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Jul 14, 2015 20:18
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Applewhite posted:Yeah yeah. Your point is that, somehow, US soldiers are responsible for all the world's orphans and that every single person we help is also somehow our victim. it's cool when people try to defend the dignity of the largest killing machine in the history of man because for PR it incidentally and marginally helps some people, many of whom it victimized a few decades prior. theological question: in Hell, how many sandbags must you lay and how many water bottles do you think the devil makes you distribute as punishment for just one murder?
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Jul 14, 2015 20:28
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Tezzor posted:it's cool when people try to defend the dignity of the largest killing machine in the history of man That seems unlikely. I think you just made that up and it's not true.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:30
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Tezzor posted:it's cool when people try to defend the dignity of the largest killing machine in the history of man because for PR it incidentally helps some of the people it victimized a few decades prior. theological question: in Hell, how many sandbags must you lay and how many water bottles do you think the devil makes you distribute as punishment for just one murder? Trick question: punishments in Hell are eternal and thus not assigned on a per-crime basis.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:30
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boom boom boom posted:That seems unlikely. I think you just made that up and it's not true. i know! it seems implausible, but they do it!
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Jul 14, 2015 20:31
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I bet the Mongols killed way more people than the US military has.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:32
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boom boom boom posted:I bet the Mongols killed way more people than the US military has. I was thinking that exact thing. I bet the US isn't even in the top ten.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:33
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boom boom boom posted:I bet the Mongols killed way more people than the US military has. Stupid comparison. Let's talk recent times.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:35
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i didnt say they killed the most people. i said they built the largest mechanism for killing, but that's cool because sometimes amongst the torrential ceaseless vomit of bombs and flotsam from Moloch a few water bottles land roughly near some thirsty people
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Jul 14, 2015 20:35
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Applewhite posted:The valor being stolen is the fraudulent exploitation of the public perception that veterans are heroes and deserve special treatment. good point we should nail actual army guys on stolen valor for going out and bumming free meals in their cammies too
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Jul 14, 2015 20:36
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Tezzor posted:i didnt say they killed the most people. i said they built the largest mechanism for killing, but that's cool because sometimes amongst the torrential ceaseless vomit of bombs and flotsam from Moloch a few water bottles land roughly near some thirsty people Be fair, they are delivered directly to the thirsty people by hand a lot of the time.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:37
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:good point we should nail actual army guys on stolen valor for going out and bumming free meals in their cammies too Probably a lot of them, yeah.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:39
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FreudianSlippers posted:So what you're actually saying is that we shouldn't respect soldiers at all because they're basically a bunch of uselss drunken morons and that most of them never actually do anything? Lol the only people i knew in the military who died were killed in motorcycle accidents. iirc one of the dudes had been in combat before that too
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Jul 14, 2015 20:41
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dougdrums posted:Lol the only people i knew in the military who died were killed in motorcycle accidents. I know one who fell out of a guard tower.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:42
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Umm if we're including CIA initiated coups and the fallout following htem, along with countries the US has acted as a patron of while they committed atrocities, the US has easily passed the Mongols. The US has likely passed the Mongols even without those, due to the Vietnam War, the bombing campaign in Cambodia, Korean War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, if including the fallout of those countries due to the destabilization of their society and country. These numbers are again vastly increased if one includes the US corporations pursuing their interest as an extension of US hegemony in the international stage.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:44
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Tezzor posted:i didnt say they killed the most people. i said they built the largest mechanism for killing, but that's cool because sometimes amongst the torrential ceaseless vomit of bombs and flotsam from Moloch a few water bottles land roughly near some thirsty people It's not designed purely for killing. That title probably belongs to the holocaust, still.
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sugar free jazz posted:Umm if we're including CIA initiated coups and the fallout following htem, along with countries the US has acted as a patron of while they committed atrocities, the US has easily passed the Mongols. The US has likely passed the Mongols even without those, due to the Vietnam War, the bombing campaign in Cambodia, Korean War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, if including the fallout of those countries due to the destabilization of their society and country. These numbers are again vastly increased if one includes the US corporations pursuing their interest as an extension of US hegemony in the international stage. well yeah with bomber planes and total global hegemony it'd be pretty fucken shameful if we couldn't even keep up with some horse-riding motherfuckers from buttholestan
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Jul 14, 2015 20:48
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sugar free jazz posted:Umm if we're including CIA initiated coups and the fallout following htem, along with countries the US has acted as a patron of while they committed atrocities, the US has easily passed the Mongols. The US has likely passed the Mongols even without those, due to the Vietnam War, the bombing campaign in Cambodia, Korean War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, if including the fallout of those countries due to the destabilization of their society and country. These numbers are again vastly increased if one includes the US corporations pursuing their interest as an extension of US hegemony in the international stage. According to the wikipedia, Vietnam War:1,313,000. Cambodia bombings: 40,000–150,000, Korean War: 3,045,709-3,428,708. Afghnaistan: over 28,000. Iraq: around 500,000 So, no.
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You guys are underestimating how many people the Mongols killed.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:53
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boom boom boom posted:You guys are underestimating how many people the Mongols killed. (Hint: it was basically every single person in asia who was not a Mongol)
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Jul 14, 2015 20:55
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i wonder if the mongols punishment for stolen valor was
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LeoMarr posted:i wonder if the mongols punishment for stolen valor was Trial by combat. You either die a valorous death, or you've earned some valor by winning.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:56
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lolololol Mongols comparison some say half of Europe can trace their lineage to John F Kennedy. They all have the Irish smile
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LeoMarr posted:i wonder if the mongols punishment for stolen valor was They would yell at you in a shopping mall It's just one of those things that's remarkably consistent across cultures.
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Jul 14, 2015 20:57
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boom boom boom posted:They would yell at you in a chopping mall
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dougdrums posted:Lol the only people i knew in the military who died were killed in motorcycle accidents. iirc one of the dudes had been in combat before that too Motorcycle DUIs are pretty much the largest cause of death on active duty Sailors since WW2
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boom boom boom posted:According to the wikipedia, Vietnam War:1,313,000. Cambodia bombings: 40,000–150,000, Korean War: 3,045,709-3,428,708. Afghnaistan: over 28,000. Iraq: around 500,000 Nice wikipedia you loving moron
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Jul 14, 2015 21:02
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Applewhite posted:(Hint: it was basically every single person in asia who was not a Mongol) if you surrendered they would be pretty chill towards you. plus i seriously doubt some dudes running around on horseback 500 years ago were nearly as efficient at killing as we are rite now
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Jul 14, 2015 21:04
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Hmm yes gonna just use numbers from wikipedia lets see how many people the mongols killed according to Matthew White, an "independent scholar" and "atrocitologist" because that's not fuckin retarded
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Jul 14, 2015 21:05
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babypolis posted:if you surrendered they would be pretty chill towards you. plus i seriously doubt some dudes running around on horseback 500 years ago were nearly as efficient at killing as we are rite now There's a lot fewer "kill everyone in that city" type missions nowadays.
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im pretty sure the us wins because of the vast extense and lenght of the current hegemony, plus the brutal efficiency of modern killing methodsboom boom boom posted:There's a lot fewer "kill everyone in that city" type missions nowadays. on the other hand there is way more people living in densesely populated areas these days as opposed to all over the loving place such that such an act is not as extensive as it seems
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