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Lord of Pie posted:Larry the Cable Guy is from Nebraska, the beating heart of the South this is actually true though, having been once to Nebraska I will only return under the darkest of circumstance and cruelest of compulsions
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Confederate flag people are sort of like the guys who collect Nazi war memorabilia, in that it's either a nerdy eccentric who swears up and down that he hates the guys but is just really suspiciously fascinated by that time period, or by a racist
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Jul 15, 2015 03:11
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there's a large confederate flag flying in the parking lot of some poo poo hole close to where i love
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Jul 15, 2015 03:25
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Darth123123 posted:Why do idiots c/p this poo poo? You look like a moron that everyone nods and moves away from at a bar. Not in victory country AKA the fuckin' Union you offay ditch pig!
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Jul 15, 2015 03:26
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I think I see more of the don't tread on me flags than the standard rebel flags, because the dukes of hazzard flag isn't loving nutso enough for the places I drive by.
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Jul 15, 2015 03:28
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The Snark, nobody is seriously talking about outlawing the Confederate flag. We're just shaming the poo poo out of people who choose to fly it, wear it, put it on their tchotckes, etc. The First Amendment allows us to do that, just as it allows us to display different kinds of flags. Remember, the Amendment only protects us from government censorship - not from the criticism of our fellow citizens. Private citizens can keep their flag stuff, they just have to accept that some people will criticize them for it. Public and private museums can still incorporate the Confederate flag in their displays, too! About the only organizations that are instituting blanket bans are companies like Apple, which deleted all the apps with Confederate flags in them from the App Store. And a private company has the right to do that, just like a private citizen would! It's not government censorship at all.
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Jul 15, 2015 03:33
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it's really the combination of southern pride and the idea that if something offends you that's your problem
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Jul 15, 2015 03:35
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Lord of Pie posted:Larry the Cable Guy is from Nebraska, the beating heart of the South we had a kid from nebraska move down here and we called him a yankee.
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Jul 15, 2015 03:36
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Pththya-lyi posted:About the only organizations that are instituting blanket bans are companies like Apple, which deleted all the apps with Confederate flags in them from the App Store. And a private company has the right to do that, just like a private citizen would! It's not government censorship at all. which is a tricky situation in itself - I heard that a lot of the apps Apple took down were basically analogous to games like Sid Meier's Gettysburg, which you'd be hard pressed to categorize as anything but educational. there's a fine line between that kind of application and celebratory merchandise that's going to be really difficult to tread it just all goes to show gently caress you assholes for causing this loving nonsense in the first place - if you'd just loving realized "well poo poo maybe racist slavery really isn't a good idea" sooner we wouldn't have these retarded quandaries running circles around us two centuries later
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Jul 15, 2015 03:38
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argondamn posted:we had a kid from nebraska move down here and we called him a yankee. nebraska is the portrait of dorian grey for the rest of the midwest: generally speaking, all the bad things you can say about it are doubly true there but don't apply as much as you'd think elsewhere
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Jul 15, 2015 03:39
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Lord of Pie posted:I think I see more of the don't tread on me flags than the standard rebel flags, because the dukes of hazzard flag isn't loving nutso enough for the places I drive by. I have a do not trad flag. Flag, so what?
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Jul 15, 2015 03:45
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One of those houses had a beer fridge on the front porch and the guy spray painted TRY IT AGAIN I GOT BULLETS on it Then the next time I drove by somebody had stolen the fridge Probably the bullets too, it could have been a fridge for bullets, i dunno
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Jul 15, 2015 03:50
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Oh my God who cares Jesus tatty loving christ
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Jul 15, 2015 03:53
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dad gay. so what posted:i think its cool
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Jul 15, 2015 03:55
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Harald posted:where are those guys who come into every thread about this topic to post about how much they don't care? actually if you were up last night you would have seen that was an edited quote that i post from this other butthole whose name doesn't matter it was a pretty epic burn
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Jul 15, 2015 03:56
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Ramsus posted:actually if you were up last night you would have seen that was an edited quote that i post from this other butthole whose name doesn't matter Man, your life is a real stone cold bummer.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:07
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Darth123123 posted:Why do idiots c/p this poo poo? You look like a moron that everyone nods and moves away from at a bar. lol you dumb little fag. most people ether agree with that article or find it really interesting, or both. are you the inbred offspring of Gen. Fuckface Forrest or something? You are the only person I've ever seen get pissed about it
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Jul 15, 2015 04:32
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Digiwizzard posted:Confederate flag people are sort of like the guys who collect Nazi war memorabilia, in that it's either a nerdy eccentric who swears up and down that he hates the guys but is just really suspiciously fascinated by that time period, or by a racist There's at least one cool rock star (Lemmy) who collects Nazi poo poo. There are only lame morons like Kid Rock who think the confederate flag is cool.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:41
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ashgromnies posted:It's fairly popular amongst white, blue collar, northern communities. There's a reason places like Detroit have so many people with "southern pride". Blacks weren't the only ones to move north in the Great Migration. The Dixie Highway and the lure of factory jobs in the North facilitated the move of a lot of Southerners to places in the industrialized North.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:47
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Hobohemian posted:Man, your life is a real stone cold bummer. wow rude BigBoss posted:There's a reason places like Detroit have so many people with "southern pride". Blacks weren't the only ones to move north in the Great Migration. The Dixie Highway and the lure of factory jobs in the North facilitated the move of a lot of Southerners to places in the industrialized North. they had to get someone to fill those positions after they abolished child slavery in the north
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Jul 15, 2015 05:24
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I saw some dude in West Virginia on the 4th July with a Confederate Flag with "REDNECK" emblazoned on it hanging from the back of his truck. I understand that WV is culturally southern in many ways but it wouldn't even exist without defecting from the Confederacy lol
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Weldon Pemberton posted:I saw some dude in West Virginia on the 4th July with a Confederate Flag with "REDNECK" emblazoned on it hanging from the back of his truck. Something like 10,000 West Virginians served in the Confederacy (of course, three times that fought for the Union). And 17 delegates from what's now West Virginia voted for the Ordinance of Secession (of course, 30 voted against). I mean, it's easy enough to say West Virginia was pro-Union anti-Confederacy but the real history is that a big enough minority really was pro-Confederacy. As dumb as the Confederate flag talk usually is, it's cool to talk about the actual history.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:00
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I grew up in semi rural mass and I see this all the time actually
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Jul 15, 2015 06:02
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Omi-Polari posted:gently caress poo poo kill Yankees burn the South I live in Manassas right now, and I frequently have to spell it out for people on the phone as "M-A-N-A-S-S-A-S, like Man-rear end-as". But for real though, we can't erase the fact that this war happened, and it is entirely to our detriment as a nation to whitewash the whole thing. Take the flags down in state capitals, because it never should have been there in the first place; but leave it alone at memorials and battlefields, because that's exactly where it belongs.
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BLARGHLE posted:I live in Manassas right now, and I frequently have to spell it out for people on the phone as "M-A-N-A-S-S-A-S, like Man-rear end-as". do the memorials have to be sitting right outside the black part of town after getting moved there during the Civil Rights era is a perfectly cogent question, however it's not as if their centuries-long rest is being broken for the first time in millenia
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:do the memorials have to be sitting right outside the black part of town after getting moved there during the Civil Rights era is a perfectly cogent question, however No, the memorials should be sitting by actually memorial-worthy sites, like battlefields, or graves, or whatever. Come to Northern Virginia, and walk around the Manassas Battlefield Park. Pretty much all of the civil war was fought in VA, with a big chunk of that being fought in Northern Virginia, two major battles of which were fought in and around Manassas (one won by the south, the other technically a union retreat rather than a confederate victory), and we still have a thorough and objective account of the whole war in all of our state and city run parks. Take a cruise down route 11, and you'll find a lot of the less glorious stories of the war on state sponsored placards and markers, and the occasional statue. Hell, I just recently found one within Manassas about a half assed Confederate fort- Hooe Fort. They put a bunch of fake cannons on a hill and hoped nobody would notice, but the Union army totally did (after a while), although it didn't make much difference either way. Stories like that were all over the war- like Fort Macon in North Carolina. It was a seemingly indefensible position that was really ingeniously defended; and then was basically defeated by itself, and also what was at the time some of the biggest artillery ever deployed. It's a very interesting place to visit, and also has beaches, so it's pretty awesome. Nobody wants to talk about that though. It's all about how some loving retard shot up some loving church because they were black or some poo poo. Okay, whatever, that's a lovely reason to shoot up a place, if you're concerned with racism, and not a mass murderer. The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia didn't force him to shoot anybody, and it's a stupid thing to focus on, and it detracts from the real issues of poverty and race relations in the south. Yeah, we have a ton of roads named after Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall Jackson, and occasionally James Longstreet, but they were all extremely influential Virginians(with the exception of Davis) before the war. It was a big deal that these West Point educated officers effectively defected to run the Army of Northern Virginia, but to call them traitors and label their battle flag a terrorist symbol seems a bit retarded. Disclaimer- I don't endorse or condone slavery, and my family was either too poor to own slaves, or was too busy being in Europe at the time of the Civil War. BLARGHLE fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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BLARGHLE posted:but to call them traitors and label their battle flag a terrorist symbol seems a bit retarded. I don't get it because you can just say the truth (that the Confederacy fought for slavery) and they're still bad guys. You don't need to resort to name-calling with "traitors" or "terrorists" (which you could also call the colonials who fought for America in the Revolutionary War). It's enough that they fought to enslave other human beings. Hell, the whole traitor thing just lets them say "yeah they were traitors like our Founding Fathers" and then that just serves to prop up the Confederacy. Just stick to the slave aspect, please. burritolingus fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 07:54
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burritolingus posted:I don't get it because you can just say the truth (that the Confederacy fought for slavery) and they're still bad guys. You don't need to resort to name-calling with "traitors" or "terrorists" (which you could also call the colonials who fought for America in the Revolutionary War). It's enough that they fought to enslave other human beings. I never said that the Confederates were the good guys. BLARGHLE fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 07:57
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BLARGHLE posted:I never said that they Confederates were the good guys. I realize this.
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:do the memorials have to be sitting right outside the black part of town after getting moved there during the Civil Rights era is a perfectly cogent question, however True, but how far do you have to move them before you either see the proposal to remove them, or just accept that as an inert memorial incapable of actually so much as yelling slurs at people- perhaps it's best to just get over their existence and remember history is first and foremost a catalog of human failing short of causing extinction. For us. All of us, anyway. Really, if it's that bad just... I don't know, modify the monument to either more accurately represent the sinister aspects of the south or maybe a small sign saying "OWNED" or "DESTROYED". ANIME IS BLOOD posted:which is a tricky situation in itself - I heard that a lot of the apps Apple took down were basically analogous to games like Sid Meier's Gettysburg, which you'd be hard pressed to categorize as anything but educational. there's a fine line between that kind of application and celebratory merchandise that's going to be really difficult to tread It's not tricky so much as stupid and the natural outcome of getting really exciting about fighting THE BAD FLAG. If the flag is so very BAD, why tolerate it's existence at all? What? You don't want it purged from museums? Why do you NEED the flag to be there instead of maybe a short paragraph describing how it looked with appropriate trigger warnings? Is that closet racism my self-ignorant desire to prove more righteous in front of our peers detects in you? Meanwhile you keep typing like the Confederate Army is milling around outside your home with a hangdog expression. "gently caress YOU GUYS! YOU DID THIS! YOU DID THIS!" They're all dead, pal. They are physically beyond caring in the slightest about how much you hate the flag and if they could be brought back would still not give the slightest poo poo what you think about what, for the vast majority of them, wasn't even the Flag of the South in favor of perhaps going "HOLY SHEEIT, I'M ALIVE AGAIN AN' IT'S THE FUCKIN' FUTURE!" Any spiting of them is going to be entirely in your head, so just grab a pair of Battle Standard of Northern Virginia boxers and a can of beans. Let the hicks keep reminding us that first and foremost the South was profoundly, willfully ignorant.
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BLARGHLE posted:making sense please do be not making sense in the sjw flag thread
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Jul 15, 2015 08:03
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The Snark posted:True, but how far do you have to move them before you either see the proposal to remove them, or just accept that as an inert memorial incapable of actually so much as yelling slurs at people- perhaps it's best to just get over their existence and remember history is first and foremost a catalog of human failing short of causing extinction. For us. All of us, anyway. I know a lot of this is sarcasm, but god drat, this strawman argument makes me wish I could give a lecture on American history.
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Gah, you're right. I have used strawmen entirely too often as of late. But it's so EASY! You can make them say whatever you like! It's great for comedic effect sometimes. In all seriousness I need to work on moving away from it. I've picked it up like a disease. Anyhow, feel free. It's not like the lecture's going to tank the quality of the thread. On the contrary, one of the best things that can happen as a result from this silly flailing at symbols is that people learn more about history- including me. The Snark fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 08:21
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BLARGHLE posted:I know a lot of this is sarcasm, but god drat, this strawman argument makes me wish I could give a lecture on American history. Go for it.
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burritolingus posted:Go for it. Too drunk to do it justice, and blah blah blah, it's 3:30 in the morning, and everything I have typed up has ended up sounding retarded. I am going to bed, but everyone is welcome to read more at this loving page, assholes.
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It's not like everybody who fought for the Confederacy did so because they loved slavery, just like I'm sure not every Nazi soldier wad an anti-semite. In the end you've got to fight for your home. Just because history has deemed one side's cause unworthy doesn't negate the heroism of a lot of the individual soldiers.
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Frackie Robinson posted:It's not like everybody who fought for the Confederacy did so because they loved slavery, just like I'm sure not every Nazi soldier wad an anti-semite. In the end you've got to fight for your home. Just because history has deemed one side's cause unworthy doesn't negate the heroism of a lot of the individual soldiers. If you're heroically fighting on the side of slavery/genocide then you are a bad even if you don't much care for slavery/genocide or were just following orders or whatever excuse.
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:which is a tricky situation in itself - I heard that a lot of the apps Apple took down were basically analogous to games like Sid Meier's Gettysburg, which you'd be hard pressed to categorize as anything but educational. there's a fine line between that kind of application and celebratory merchandise that's going to be really difficult to tread This is OK I think. Use the original confederate flag and teach people why the current Georgia flag is kinda lovely.
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