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Nitrox posted:Care to link it? It's in one of the D&D threads with my comment linked to it, hosted by Liveleaks... I have no desire to revisit that nightmare fuel - it remains by far the worst thing I've seen, even in the age of isis. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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steinrokkan posted:It's just one of the many looter videos. The one that has literally changed me for the worse was a video of a bombardment victim who got her legs blown off, yet remained somewhat lucid for a while - and even before she died, Novorussian looters took her jewellery and other valuables. They swarmed around the dying, desperate woman like vultures. I'd never heard of that one, and I'd honestly be surprised if anybody had survived the crash at all, but I don't disbelieve that somebody would have. If you have a link to a story on it (or the video, I suppose), I'd appreciate that as well. Not that I want to see that poo poo, but it's pertinent to what I'm studying in school so it's important. efb nvm
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Runaktla posted:All TV I could watch was in Russian when I was there. I could ask my sister-in-law who lived there for 20 years up until about 2000, and visited frequently, about the prevalence of Nazi-ism in Ukraine and I'm gonna guess that it's minimal. Svoboda played a pretty prominent role in the maidan.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:44
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steinrokkan posted:It's in one of the D&D threads with my comment linked to it, hosted by Liveleaks... I have no desire to revisit that nightmare fuel - it remains by far the worst thing I've seen, even in the age of isis. ....you could just link it without watching it so we can see the evidence for ourselves?
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Jul 18, 2015 01:47
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Go find your own war porn you freak.
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Baloogan posted:Go find your own war porn you freak. I honestly hate watching that kind of stuff. But if someone is going to post "The Novorossiyans are eating babies", I want to know that there's actual evidence and not just rumors.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:03
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I'd never heard of that one, and I'd honestly be surprised if anybody had survived the crash at all, but I don't disbelieve that somebody would have. If you have a link to a story on it (or the video, I suppose), I'd appreciate that as well. Not that I want to see that poo poo, but it's pertinent to what I'm studying in school so it's important. He said it was a bombardment victim, not one of the plane crash victims.  if OP comes back and admits "I was wrong about this whole situation"
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Jul 18, 2015 07:10
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chitoryu12 posted:I honestly hate watching that kind of stuff. But if someone is going to post "The Novorossiyans are eating babies", I want to know that there's actual evidence and not just rumors. same
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Jul 18, 2015 08:02
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Seriously, fantastic stories of horrific war crimes being committed by "the bad guys" date back to the dawn of history and are a common way to dehumanize the enemy and encourage further violence against them. I don't at all relish seeing evidence of war crimes, but I think evidence should be provided to keep people from spreading false rumors about these terrible things supposedly occurring.
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Jul 18, 2015 08:11
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:He said it was a bombardment victim, not one of the plane crash victims. Well I can't read, thanks for the correction.
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alex314 posted:What about your claim of finding mass graves? It seems the logical thing would be asking Red Cross or similar international organization to conduct investigation. Chichevache posted:So, again, I haven't followed most of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, or the MH17 crash, but apparently there is now footage of pro-Russian troops looting the dead and poo poo at the crash scene. Can you please explain how this is a CIA plant as well? I would like to know. I don't actually see anything in that video with them LOOTING poo poo? They rife through poo poo looking for documents, photograph everything and then dump it back where it was? Or is this the same poo poo as the video with the rebel stealing a stuffed toy? You've seen that one, right? Paladinus posted:Sorry for the derail, OP. Another question re MH17. Noctis Horrendae posted:Please respond to my question about immigration, OP. Probably not without anyone escorting and vouching for you, why? MGB will certainly be curios as to why you're entering the country..
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HoratioRash posted:OBSE HAS in fact inspected both mass graves found. SO far the only information we were able to get from them is "We're investigating it". OH well. What's the MGB? I just want a fresh start for my family and I, is all - in Novorossiya.
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Jul 18, 2015 09:12
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Noctis Horrendae posted:What's the MGB? I just want a fresh start for my family and I, is all - in Novorossiya. Why not try Cuba or India?
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HoratioRash posted:Why not try Cuba or India? India is a good idea, but I prefer the cold. Also, I really love vodka. What's the MGB?
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After going through 20 LiveLeak pages on Ukraine pepered with stuff like THIS NEW RUSSIAN ARMORED VEHICLES SENDS A SHOCKWAVE TO NATO RATS I haven't found bombarding looting video, and I am now convinced that Ukrainians are the worst, and Russia can do no wrong.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:India is a good idea, but I prefer the cold. Also, I really love vodka. What's the MGB? The Donbass isn't really that cold. Here is the recorded weather for Donetsk in February of 2008, the green numbers are the average temperature. MGB Stands for Ministerstvo Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti (Ministry of State Security) and are the approximate equivalent of the FBI.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:24
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They must be really obscure. They don't even have a Wikipedia article!
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Jul 19, 2015 00:41
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When I watch that video, I'm seeing some soldiers who are trying to come to terms with the fact that some idiot in a SAM truck just shot down a civilian airliner. I'm not saying looting didn't happen later, but the video shows those guys trying to get an idea who was on the plane.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:They must be really obscure. They don't even have a Wikipedia article! Now replace that M with a K...
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:He said it was a bombardment victim, not one of the plane crash victims. He might have to do that as term of his sentence after the ICC trial. HoratioRash posted:OBSE HAS in fact inspected both mass graves found. SO far the only information we were able to get from them is "We're investigating it". OH well. Once again no sources, all I found was a grave of 4 civilians who died while a town was under separatist control, and battle deaths that were buried in a previously unknown mass grave from world war two.
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A plane has crashed in a Novorussian graveyard. Search and rescue workers have found no survivors and recovered 500 bodies so far and expect that number to climb as digging continues into the evening.
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sparatuvs posted:He might have to do that as term of his sentence after the ICC trial. The town was under separatist control for three days at that point, with bodies already decomposed. I guess those people killed themselves for Putin's lies though. Lol loving colorads. Jedi Knight Luigi posted:He said it was a bombardment victim, not one of the plane crash victims. When is the report scheduled for release?
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HoratioRash posted:The town was under separatist control for three days at that point, with bodies already decomposed. I guess those people killed themselves for Putin's lies though. Lol loving colorads. Are you talking about Sloviansk? Where the grave of 14 civilians was found? If so you are simply wrong with your timeline. HoratioRash posted:
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Noctis Horrendae posted:They must be really obscure. They don't even have a Wikipedia article! Sure they do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_State_Security_(Soviet_Union)
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Shooting Blanks posted:I'll save you the trouble: He did what you're thinking of doing in Syria and it ended very poorly. Wait, I thought it was Libya? He some how managed to survive too, I'd heard. e: or did he go to Syria after Libya and die there?
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So, OP, I get that you're concerned with human rights violations against your own people, but isn't it time for a truce? No matter if you believe or understand it, both sides are responsible for atrocities - and, I'll be the first to admit it, Ukraines volunteer groups are responsible for a lot of them - and if you entered this conflict to prevent repression of people, it clearly hasn't had the intended effect. Do you honestly not think your people would be better off with moving behind the front and living with their own, and the Ukrainian speakers could then do the same?
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Lol that would make too much sense the whole "overlook the past let's make the right choice for the future resolution" doesn't give them what they really want.
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You have to understand that "doing things that make sense and benefit everyone" is just not a reality in Ukraine. Not now, not 3 years ago, not 10 years ago, not 20 years ago, not 50, not 100, not 1000. Ukraine has always been a shithole filled with people who are only doing whats good for their own self interest and screwing over everyone else. Ukraine is a place where there is no secret ballot, even when there is voting, and nobody understand why that is bad. Ukraine is a place where dynasties openly lord over anything of value.Ukraine is a place where you can't do business with strangers, where you have to work through your extended family just to do what in the West are ordinary things. Ukraine is a pit of dogs trying to rip scraps of sausage out of each other's teeth. Everyone with competence, half a brain and a soul has left. All the other people still there either have only 2 of those 3 things, or are trying to leave right now.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:32
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Doesn't sound that different from Alabama, aside from the voting
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Keldoclock posted:You have to understand that "doing things that make sense and benefit everyone" is just not a reality in Ukraine. Not now, not 3 years ago, not 10 years ago, not 20 years ago, not 50, not 100, not 1000. Interesting way of spelling 'Russia' you have there.
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For whatever it is worth I can acknowledge that to some degree, he has a point. My sister in law confirms things like her sister's employer directing her how to vote. I believe that stuff is a direct result of being under Russian influence but that's another thing. But still doesn't mean trying to make it better isn't a goal, however difficult.
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Tias posted:So, OP, I get that you're concerned with human rights violations against your own people, but isn't it time for a truce? No matter if you believe or understand it, both sides are responsible for atrocities - and, I'll be the first to admit it, Ukraines volunteer groups are responsible for a lot of them - and if you entered this conflict to prevent repression of people, it clearly hasn't had the intended effect. You'd rather deport all the ethnic Russian population, then?
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Not as such, but step back and take in the larger perspective: you've had it your way, and it's lead to a whole lot of dead kids. If your commanders want to prove that this is not just a petty influence grab on Putin's behalf, why not let the UN establish an occupation and make an attempt at a diplomatic settlement?
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In hindsight, now that millions of people have been displaced, thousands dead and the region completely destroy, do you think it was worth it? What would the region have looked like if the war had never happened? There have been no ethnic cleansing against Russian speaker in the rest of Ukraine yet. Not even the anti-russian language laws were passed in the end. It really seems unlikely that some organized ethnic cleansing was ever going to take place against Russian speakers. Do you ever feel betrayed by the Russian government? They provide just enough support to keep Donetsk alive, but never enough to win the war. It seems like they are just exploiting the war situation and trying to keep it going for their own goals, with not regard for people like you.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:14
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Are you getting a lot of sex, OP? If so, with who/what?
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Are you getting a lot of vodka? If so, what brands?
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Not sure if you answered this yet or not (I don't think you have): did any of the drones you assisted with ever have the capability to carry weapons?
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What's your beef with the Cossacks? I thought they were pretty much native Ukranians? Also, how do you become a lawyer in Russia? What about Novorussia? How's the job market there for lawyers?
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Do you have any need for grocers?
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I still want to hear how the pre-Maidan, pro-Russian government oppressed the local Russians so much that Russia needed to bail them out.
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