Canadian Politics: Orange is the new government

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HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Sir Justin of Papineau, the Holiest knight of the House, on a Quest to restore the Legacy of King Pierre of Mount Royal:

Morroque posted:

Wouldn't an early writ drop hurt the CPC? The logic should go that they were the ones who introduced the fix election date legislation, yet they proceed to ignore it. Would that be an issue the opposition could flank, or would it be too petty to have resonance outside of politics?

(I remember it kind of mattering in the Alberta election.)

The fixed date would still remain, but the election period would be longer and more costly, which puts the CPC at an advantage because they have more money than the other parties, and could therefore campaign and advertise more, and for longer, than the others.

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 09:09

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

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National Post View: Calling out Mulcair on Quebec

Liberal leader Justin Trudeau is right to call out the New Democrats for their position on what would constitute a clear majority in any potential future referendum on Quebec sovereignty. �On issues such as national unity I think its important for anyone who wants to be prime minister and who disagrees with something like (the Clarity Act to) explain why,� said Trudeau.

Yet, the idea that a 50-per-cent-plus-one vote would constitute a clear majority of Quebecers has been NDP policy since its members approved the 2005 Sherbrooke Declaration, which reasons that, �the right to self-determination implies that (Quebec�s legislature) is able to write a referendum question and that the citizens of Quebec are able to answer it freely.�

Passed in 2000 � following the 1995 referendum and the Supreme Court�s Reference Re Secession of Quebec ruling in 1998 � the Clarity Act enumerates the conditions to be met by a province wishing to secede from Confederation. It requires that a clear majority vote for a clear question pertaining directly to secession, before the federal government will enter into negotiations with the province.

Though the NDP supported the Clarity Act when it was passed, the Sherbrooke Declaration states that a plurality of voters would be sufficient � i.e., 50 per cent plus one. Ironically, the definition of a �clear majority� in the �Clarity� Act is not clear at all (though many commentators have argued that at least 60 per cent support would be required to meet that threshold). Yet, even if one quibbles over the exact meaning of the term, it remains in evident conflict with the �simple majority� supported by the New Democrats.

Without a doubt, political considerations are not absent from Trudeau�s comments on the subject, given the proximity of the next election and the charged nature of the subject of Quebec independence. But there is still a question of substance here: why is it, exactly, that Mulcair and his party believe it reasonable that one vote over the 50 per cent threshold should bring the feds and the rest of the provinces to the negotiating table? Why was both Parliament and the Supreme Court wrong to implement the guidelines that it did? If a referendum were to produce an otherwise-equal split of votes, a single voter who marked �yes� by mistake could break up the country.

Nor can political strategy be absent from the NDP�s policy. As acknowledged in the Sherbrooke Declaration, adopted when the NDP did not have a single seat in Quebec, the policy shift was part of a strategy to build a voter base in Quebec. With 59 of the party�s 103 seats earned in the 2011 election coming from the province, the NDP cannot afford to lose its existing support. Unfortunately, this may mean appealing to secessionists and �soft nationalists� who voted for them last time, in lieu of the Bloc Qu�b�cois.

At any rate, the campaign strategy here should take a proverbial back seat to the true matter at hand: what we�re talking about here is not just the minute policy differences between two centre-left parties, but the very future of our country. Has Mulcair considered that if Quebec leaves, his party will have almost no chance of governing what would be left of Canada? Perhaps that�s the price he�s willing to pay to win this time, but if so, he owes the country a thorough explanation.

National Post

Thoughts?

Does anyone outside of Quebec and possibly Parliament Hill bubble care about the Clarity Act?

How many seats are there within Quebec where one would gain support with a pro-Clarity Act position?

I feel this is a lose lose for Trudeau here. Clarity Act doesn't seem like popular legislation in Quebec, a province he badly needs to to gain support in if he is to win, but it's important legacy Liberal legislation that he must support.

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lonelywurm: Aug 10, 2009

The Lady May, Baroness of Saanich, and hopeful Kingmaker in the battle to come...

# ? Jul 25, 2015 00:41

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Femtosecond posted:

Thoughts?

Does anyone outside of Quebec and possibly Parliament Hill bubble care about the Clarity Act?

How many seats are there within Quebec where one would gain support with a pro-Clarity Act position?

I feel this is a lose lose for Trudeau here. Clarity Act doesn't seem like popular legislation in Quebec, a province he badly needs to to gain support in if he is to win, but it's important legacy Liberal legislation that he must support.

Nope, nobody cares. The LPC always pick the tiniest hills to die on.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 00:46

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

lonelywurm posted:

What other banner could decorate the ancestral home of the House of Orange, Layton Hall?

Rumour has it that there's a room, deep in the warren-like bowels of the Hall, that holds the death mask of the mythical Lord Douglas.

(thanks, guys; I'm working on others)

If the NDP win they'll thank the Socialist Wind that sweeps them into office.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:11

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

also I'm pretty sure vyelkin asked for badly photoshopped pictures of the leaders lonelywurm, not amazing ones

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:13

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

Femtosecond posted:

Thoughts?

Does anyone outside of Quebec and possibly Parliament Hill bubble care about the Clarity Act?

How many seats are there within Quebec where one would gain support with a pro-Clarity Act position?

I feel this is a lose lose for Trudeau here. Clarity Act doesn't seem like popular legislation in Quebec, a province he badly needs to to gain support in if he is to win, but it's important legacy Liberal legislation that he must support.

Outside of Québec and Eastern Ontario? Possibly not, excepting Maritimers who remember and were worried about the 95 referendum.

That's still a fair chunk of people. Not a good idea to totally discount them.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:40

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Femtosecond posted:

Thoughts?

Does anyone outside of Quebec and possibly Parliament Hill bubble care about the Clarity Act?

How many seats are there within Quebec where one would gain support with a pro-Clarity Act position?

I feel this is a lose lose for Trudeau here. Clarity Act doesn't seem like popular legislation in Quebec, a province he badly needs to to gain support in if he is to win, but it's important legacy Liberal legislation that he must support.

Liberals beating their chest about national unity isn't, is never, about Qu�bec. It's about convincing Ontario and Atlantic Canada voters that Only The Liberals Can Save Canada. It leads to weird things like JT robocalling a provincial byelection in Kitchener-Waterloo to warn that the ONDP candidate is a crypto-separatist.

The Clarity Act actually polls pretty well in Qu�bec, but realistically this isn't a play for Qu�bec. A few seats in the West Island and on the South Shore, maybe, but it's not going to play well in, idk, Joliette.

Morroque posted:

Wouldn't an early writ drop hurt the CPC? The logic should go that they were the ones who introduced the fix election date legislation, yet they proceed to ignore it. Would that be an issue the opposition could flank, or would it be too petty to have resonance outside of politics?

(I remember it kind of mattering in the Alberta election.)

They actually broke the fixed election date in 2008, and the entire Liberal campaign in 2011 was about how Harper just wasn't playing fair. It hasn't hurt the CPC so far.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:47

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Dreylad posted:

also I'm pretty sure vyelkin asked for badly photoshopped pictures of the leaders lonelywurm, not amazing ones

You know what, I'll let it slide this time.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 01:51

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

Kafka Esq. posted:

Shouldn't you be studying how to not blow up a nuclear reactor, BattleMaster?

But there are so many capybara pictures to look at.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:01

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

jesus christ

quote:

If there�s a word that accurately captures the contribution this pair has made to Canadian politics it would surely be �yuck.� She has been a thoroughly unimpressive Parliamentarian with a talent for looking wooden and irritating her colleagues with unrestrained ambition. After being stripped of her Conservative Party credentials, she suddenly realized that within her bosom a Liberal heart was beating. On a dime, she renounced the team she had been publicly desperate to remain part of and declared her commitment to the cause of Harper�s defeat as a Liberal candidate.

To those who argue that plenty of good people switch parties, it hardly bears saying that Adams is no Churchill. There was no detectable point of principle behind her defection. She struggled with no specific policy issue or ever expressed any discomfort with the values of the Harper government. In fact, she left only after the Conservatives made it crystal clear that she was unwanted. Her move to the opposition was less a floor-crossing than a bid for asylum.

Still, she practically shines when compared to her partner. For years, Soudas was the guy Harper turned to for jobs the prime minister considered ugly and undignified � such as working with the parliamentary press gallery. Time and again, the most powerful man in Canada picked Soudas to take on prominent positions and exercise enormous power. He raised up this junior aide and made him a player of unavoidable importance. Soudas repaid these repeated acts of confidence with outright betrayal. Told he could not use his position as National Director of the Conservative Party to advance the fortunes of Adams� nomination, he did exactly that. Clumsily and unapologetically he broke the promises he made to his lifelong patron and is now working against Harper�s re-election.

With all that in mind, you might think that Liberals in Eglinton-Lawrence have an easy job of things this weekend. Just cast their votes for Adams� opponent and give the boot to this unappealing pair of carpetbaggers. Except it�s not quite that simple.

Eve Adams didn�t just appeal for entry into the Liberal Party. Her application was personally received by the leader. Trudeau sat with Adams on national TV. For whatever reason, it was determined that she was a catch � and that the sight of turncoat Soudas might rattle some frayed nerves in the Harper PMO. Who knows, maybe it did.

But now the Liberals have to decide what to do with her. Although the nomination is technically open, early signals clearly identified Adams as the preferred choice. Local Liberals were left to assume that they should choke back their disgust and support Adams and Soudas. All things considered, that�s probably what they should still do.

This notion will strike some as incomprehensible but politics is a team sport and the party leader heads that team. Occasionally voting for something or someone you dislike because the leader wants it comes with the territory. Such discipline is vital in politics. It enables the reliable functioning of our big-tent, brokerage party system. And that system has served Canada well by forging stability in spite of pronounced regional, linguistic and cultural tensions.

It could be argued that voting for or against Adams won�t cause Canada to disintegrate or destroy the party system. On balance, that�s probably correct. But dumping her would almost certainly be seen as a rebuff to Trudeau just as he prepares for the coming election. Even with recent signals that the party brass is genuinely agnostic about the outcome � that they wouldn�t interpret her defeat as a slight (notice that former interim leader Bob Rae has endorsed Adams� opponent) � the question of how her refusal would play out in the current political climate must be considered.

Media and political observers would rush to replay TV footage of Trudeau welcoming Adams and contrast it with her rejection by the rank and file. Fair or not, her defeat would be used against Trudeau. It�s a headache he hardly needs in the midst of his current labours to pull the Liberals out of third spot.

Many of those eligible to vote in the nomination will conclude, reluctantly, that helping their leader is more important than harming Harper�s deserters. Ironically, Adams and Soudas may become the beneficiary of the sort of loyalty that neither of them proved capable of showing Harper. We are reminded again that politics is a funny old business.

I live in Eglinton-Lawrence and once was a member of the riding association. My phone has rung repeatedly with appeals to renew my standing and come out to vote. But the commentary I provide to the Citizen and other media keeps me from that kind of partisan involvement these days. Phew. Because if I had to vote, I would struggle mightily. The temptation to put an end to these two would be almost overpowering. But ultimately, my instinct to support the party leader at this sensitive time � even if the leader�s operation no longer feels it�s mandatory � would probably win out. I would end up voting for Adams.

Scott Reid is a principal at Feschuk.Reid and a CTV News political analyst. He was director of communications for former prime minister Paul Martin.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:17

Sally: Jan 9, 2007; Don't post Small Dash!

http://infotel.ca/newsitem/man-in-blue-suit-thanks-firefighters/it21514

I like how unimpressed the firefighter looks with Harper and Clark's photo-op:

Also, HuffPo wrote an article about the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/07/24/harper-british-columbia-infonews-wildfires_n_7867008.html

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:21

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

quote:

"We know these are tough and dangerous jobs and these efforts really are appreciated by everybody," Harper reportedly said.

"When the dust settles, so to speak, on all of this we're obviously going to sit down and assess what new or different needs to be done in the future, what we can do in terms of better co-ordination of resources, mitigation, we'll look at all those things."

loving rear end in a top hat.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:26

Meat Recital: Mar 26, 2009; by zen death robot

Pinterest Mom posted:

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"the moratorium will force provinces to propose solutions or conclude that abolition is the only answer"

A principled stance for a man who once appointed a senator just so he could have a Québécois cabinet minister with 0 Quebec MPs.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:37

Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

senators are a useless drain on society!

*appoints a 40-year old with domestic violence and substance abuse problems so he can cash a cheque for the next 34 years*

# ? Jul 25, 2015 02:48

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

RCMP's latest victim

quote:

On Saturday morning our little town lost probably the greatest and most memorable young soul that deserves to still be here today. Our late and innocent friend Hudson had an entire clip unloaded into him during a "struggle" with multiple RCMP officers. At the scene of the altercation there was NO weapons found other than RCMP issued weapons and somehow a female officer got shot by another officer while unloading on our friend. The RCMP are claiming that our friend was "suicidal" and somehow this enables the officers to shoot him dead when they easily could have de-escalated the situation with tasers etc. You can ask anyone in our community about Hudson and every single person will tell you that he was a complete joy to be around and he was indeed not suicidal, he loved life and we all know that.

vvv When do we start teaching police officers to value anyone's life but their own?

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# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:51

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

At what age do we need to start teaching children to fear and avoid police officers?

# ? Jul 25, 2015 03:54

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

It'll happen soon enough. With all them drones we got them middle eastern kids trained to fear the sky.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 04:25

flashman: Dec 16, 2003

You're all too quick to jump to conclusions. Probably Hudson had pockets or the like on his clothing which could have hid knives or other weapons. If you were police would you take that risk to your own life before shooting him down.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 05:08

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

flashman posted:

You're all too quick to jump to conclusions. Probably Hudson had pockets or the like on his clothing which could have hid knives or other weapons. If you were police would you take that risk to your own life before shooting him down.

Your average bystander with retractable claws can slash your jugular in a heartbeat.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 08:17

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Let's not jump to conclusions everyone, before the result of a full investigation how do we know that Hudson was not in fact MechaHitler and the police were brave for bringing him down with only a single clip of bullets?

# ? Jul 25, 2015 12:35

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

If all of the officers tell the same story about what happened, let's convict more than half of them of perjury this time.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 13:20

Heavy neutrino: Sep 16, 2007; You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

Sorry guys but y'all don't get to criticise the Officers of the Law until you post proof that you're a high-level student of MMA or some other discipline.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 13:29

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

flashman posted:

You're all too quick to jump to conclusions. Probably Hudson had pockets or the like on his clothing which could have hid knives or other weapons. If you were police would you take that risk to your own life before shooting him down.

Realtalk part of the problem might be that their training material includes stuff like "Surviving Bladed Weapons", a training video that includes all manner of STDH like baseball caps with razor blades and fishhooks sewn into bluejean seams.

When you train them to think that everyone they encounter is going to be a walking armoury of bladed fury of course they're going to default to killing them

# ? Jul 25, 2015 14:08

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

BattleMaster posted:

Realtalk part of the problem might be that their training material includes stuff like "Surviving Bladed Weapons", a training video that includes all manner of STDH like baseball caps with razor blades and fishhooks sewn into bluejean seams.

When you train them to think that everyone they encounter is going to be a walking armoury of bladed fury of course they're going to default to killing them

Same also probably applies to them being taught that their job is to preserve their own lives rather than other people's. It leads to a disconnect between the general population who think "the police are trained to protect civilian lives above all else even to the point of putting themselves in danger" and the police who are trained to protect their own lives above all else even to the point of shooting unarmed people if they seem threatening.

I honestly think that this disconnect is part of why it's so hard to convict police officers in jury trials too, because the jury is approaching the situation from a completely different set of assumptions.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 14:15

Melian Dialogue: Jan 9, 2015; NOT A RACIST

vyelkin posted:

Same also probably applies to them being taught that their job is to preserve their own lives rather than other people's. It leads to a disconnect between the general population who think "the police are trained to protect civilian lives above all else even to the point of putting themselves in danger" and the police who are trained to protect their own lives above all else even to the point of shooting unarmed people if they seem threatening.

I honestly think that this disconnect is part of why it's so hard to convict police officers in jury trials too, because the jury is approaching the situation from a completely different set of assumptions.

On a purely ethical/moral point of view I don't think you could ever institute a policy that says "police cannot defend themselves". That would be ridiculous.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 15:28

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

BattleMaster posted:

Realtalk part of the problem might be that their training material includes stuff like "Surviving Bladed Weapons", a training video that includes all manner of STDH like baseball caps with razor blades and fishhooks sewn into bluejean seams.

When you train them to think that everyone they encounter is going to be a walking armoury of bladed fury of course they're going to default to killing them

Yeah, although is Surviving Edged Weapons actually used today in training? Still you kinda get the whole mentality about surviving increasingly unlikely scenarios in the cop's speech at the end with some uh, pretty interesting undertones: https://youtu.be/Q-lDtCHFmvg?t=4797

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# ? Jul 25, 2015 15:33

Melian Dialogue: Jan 9, 2015; NOT A RACIST

Sure the goofy hat stuff is dumb, but the 21ft rule for knives is still real and useful.

:nms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RTkGbiJpk :nms:

Here's a video of some good ole boys just chatting with a guy with a guy with a knife, yknow, trying to de-escalate it without pointing their weapons at him.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 15:36

egg tats: Apr 3, 2010

Melian Dialogue posted:

Sure the goofy hat stuff is dumb, but the 21ft rule for knives is still real and useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RTkGbiJpk

Here's a video of some good ole boys just chatting with a guy with a guy with a knife, yknow, trying to de-escalate it without pointing their weapons at him.

If only we had a tool for disabling knife wielding people threatening the police! Maybe something not usually lethal, that would force him to the ground, and make it unlikely or impossible to be a danger to anyone but himself while he could be restrained.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:09

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

senae posted:

If only we had a tool for disabling knife wielding people threatening the police! Maybe something not usually lethal, that would force him to the ground, and make it unlikely or impossible to be a danger to anyone but himself while he could be restrained.

Which would be...?

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:15

Melian Dialogue: Jan 9, 2015; NOT A RACIST

senae posted:

If only we had a tool for disabling knife wielding people threatening the police! Maybe something not usually lethal, that would force him to the ground, and make it unlikely or impossible to be a danger to anyone but himself while he could be restrained.

Actually seriously, what is this knife disabling tool you're talking about? If its the taser, well, for one tasers don't always deploy properly (for example, the prods have to penetrate baggy clothing), two, they sometimes don't work on people especially agitated or on drugs, and three you get one shot before you then have to reload.

Also, police, duh, do employ tasers and non lethal shotgun rounds: if they have the forewarning and the time to do so. If they drive up to a call, with no knowledge of whats going on, and a guy is there with a knife, there's not always time because they want to immediately start trying to de-escalate and control it

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:21

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Melian Dialogue posted:

Actually seriously, what is this knife disabling tool you're talking about? If its the taser, well, for one tasers don't always deploy properly (for example, the prods have to penetrate baggy clothing), two, they sometimes don't work on people especially agitated or on drugs, and three you get one shot before you then have to reload.

Also, police, duh, do employ tasers and non lethal shotgun rounds: if they have the forewarning and the time to do so. If they drive up to a call, with no knowledge of whats going on, and a guy is there with a knife, there's not always time because they want to immediately start trying to de-escalate and control it

It's also worth noting that, due to taser abuse, tasers can only be used in situations meriting lethal force anyway, and according to my RCMP officer friend, it's a lot more hassle to carry and/or use a taser than a gun.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:29

Count Roland: Oct 6, 2013

Honestly two cops with clubs will work just fine against all but the super strong.

Is there data for how often cops get stabbed? Or more usefully, how often do they get killed or seriously hurt from someone wielding a not-gun? I'm going to bet its low but thats a guess.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:33

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

vyelkin posted:

I'm happy to make it and could put it together this weekend unless someone else really wants to take on this burden. If you guys do want me to make it, I'm open to thread title ideas (I'm personally partial to CanPol 2015 Election Special: Where everything's made up and the polls don't matter) and will also solicit ideas of what issues to include in the OP that may be relevant to the election, and also funny pictures of the party leaders and other important political figures who could influence the election like Notley, Wynne, or Duffy. Badly photoshopped pictures of them wearing crowns or suits of armour would be extra great for, uh, reasons.

Wynne actually makes a passable RIchard III. I'll try again when I've got a bit of time.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:47

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

Leofish posted:

The fixed date would still remain, but the election period would be longer and more costly, which puts the CPC at an advantage because they have more money than the other parties, and could therefore campaign and advertise more, and for longer, than the others.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're thinking two moves ahead, so that if the CPC gets a minority in October, they'll be the only party with money left to spend on another campaign, and the other two parties won't risk causing another election anytime soon.

This will only be completely effective if Harper can convince the GG that being voted down on the throne speech requires another election instead of letting another party have a shot at forming government.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 16:50

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Guys I am loving each and every one of the photoshops, they are wonderful and I will use them for sure.

I would like to also request suggestions for what election issues to include in the OP, so that if someone who knows nothing about CanPol comes into the thread they can get a sense of the big issues the election will/might be fought over, and I know that if I try and think of everything I will inevitably forget some stuff and have to edit it in later like a big dummy.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 18:00

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Count Roland posted:

Honestly two cops with clubs will work just fine against all but the super strong.

Is there data for how often cops get stabbed? Or more usefully, how often do they get killed or seriously hurt from someone wielding a not-gun? I'm going to bet its low but thats a guess.

You're more likely to come home at night working as a cop than a logger. Which is bizarre since I've seen better attitudes towards health and safety among loggers than R.C.M.P.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 18:11

jsoh: Mar 24, 2007; O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

Hexigrammus posted:

You're more likely to come home at night working as a cop than a logger. Which is bizarre since I've seen better attitudes towards health and safety among loggers than R.C.M.P.

loggers are totally allowed to kill trees tho . check and mate.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 18:21

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Hexigrammus posted:

You're more likely to come home at night working as a cop than a logger. Which is bizarre since I've seen better attitudes towards health and safety among loggers than R.C.M.P.

Every police officer needs to go through the managing patient safety courses nurses do, also the mental health recognition and deescalating procedures. Actually you know what, make every police officer go through nursing school.

Knowing my luck it would backfire and just make them even more efficient at killing civilians.

# ? Jul 25, 2015 18:52

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 09:09

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

vyelkin posted:

Guys I am loving each and every one of the photoshops, they are wonderful and I will use them for sure.

I would like to also request suggestions for what election issues to include in the OP, so that if someone who knows nothing about CanPol comes into the thread they can get a sense of the big issues the election will/might be fought over, and I know that if I try and think of everything I will inevitably forget some stuff and have to edit it in later like a big dummy.

Child Care/UCCB
Climate change
The Senate
C-51 / security theatre
Taxes (PIT and CIT rates, income splitting)
Pipelines
Balancing the budget?
Mail delivery
Retirement security (retirement age / changes to CPP)
~canadian unity~
TPP (and supply management :eng99:

)
Real Change vs Ready for Change vs Just Not Ready (for change)

# ? Jul 25, 2015 19:06

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