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Radbot posted:Right, my point is that I don't believe graduating from Stanford comes with a salary. It'd be pretty easy to get venture funding for that, it's a perfect target market. It's just building on what Spark Networks has done for a decade, but putting class first. Edit: Oh if you're talking about the algorithm giving you points for going to stanford: Going to stanford correlates with a higher salary in the future, even if you don't have one now.
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Hollismason posted:It's not a soapbox it's a sinking ship. Blame the captain, not the passengers. Edit: Millenials didn't sail toward that iceberg, that iceberg sailed on us. Or something.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:32
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Obdicut posted:It'd be pretty easy to get venture funding for that, it's a perfect target market. It's just building on what Spark Networks has done for a decade, but putting class first. Yeah I'm aware, my point is that getting an art diploma from Stanford isn't a magic ticket to riches. It's always weird to see people that assume it is, like folks that assume a "Stanford grad" automatically has enough pull to get a bunch of I bankers together in Montauk.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:34
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Radbot posted:Right, my point is that I don't believe graduating from Stanford comes with a salary. His point is that people give up if it requires effort and your rebuttal is that they tried once but if got too hard so they quit?
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Aug 3, 2015 19:34
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Fried Chicken posted:His point is that people give up if it requires effort and your rebuttal is that they tried once but if got too hard so they quit? I agree, it is easy to tell other people they should sacrifice themselves and try harder.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:35
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Hollismason posted:It's not a soapbox it's a sinking ship. Millinals are constantly told how lazy and bad they are, shocking when they confirm to those expectations.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:36
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As someone who's been actively campaigning against something for 5 1/2 years which should have been done in first place, I am full of bitterness. .
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Aug 3, 2015 19:37
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Fried Chicken posted:hey, want to marvel at the excesses of capitalism as the "elites" give you more reason to hate them and burn the system to the ground? See this is why I'm afraid to tell people how much money we have because douchebags like this are running it for everyone. We try to live modestly, give a lot of money to charity and help people out whenever we can, meanwhile these people waste it on bullshit parties for dating apps.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:37
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"It's everyone else's fault things are going to poo poo. I'm blameless." - everyone
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Aug 3, 2015 19:37
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Gravel Gravy posted:Blame the captain, not the passengers. More like Boomers decided to suspend a bunch of ice above our heads, and now are complaining that we spend too much time getting dripped on.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:37
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it's almost like the boomers were born into the greatest boom of capitalist prosperity the world has ever seen or something
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Radbot posted:Yeah I'm aware, my point is that getting an art diploma from Stanford isn't a magic ticket to riches. It's always weird to see people that assume it is, like folks that assume a "Stanford grad" automatically has enough pull to get a bunch of I bankers together in Montauk. An art diploma from Stanford is a pretty good indicator of a high salary later on, and moreover, it means that you are most likely from a certain class. Class isn't just about how much you personally make. For example, I tutor GRE students. Some of them, despite having jobs that pay $10 an hour, live in spacious apartments in the Upper East Side--their parents 2nd apartment. Class is not a personal thing.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:38
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Hollismason posted:As someone who's been actively campaigning against something for 5 1/2 years which should have been done in first place, I am full of bitterness. And what is that?
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Obdicut posted:I don't get why there's an article about a preppy party in the Hamptons. It is kind of funny that the preppy's can't succeed at Tindr so they have to create their own app, but they're doing everyone else a favor by doing so. Business Insider targets the same audience that would attend this type of party/get-together so I'm not all that surprised that they're covering this. It's a very fluffy photo-article. I don't know if it's so much a matter of not succeeding at Tinder as it is them not wanting to filter through the thousands of poor people, which is understandable if you've read the studies on how education and class makes it much more (or less) likely for people to get along with each other. Obdicut posted:It'd be pretty easy to get venture funding for that, it's a perfect target market. It's just building on what Spark Networks has done for a decade, but putting class first. It makes perfect business sense, if you want to make money, make your target audience the people who have money and are willing to part with it.
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Aside from protesting the Vietnam War what movement in the US has had any traction with an 18-35 leader? Even Vietnam was only an issue because they themselves were worried about being drafted.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:"It's everyone else's fault things are going to poo poo. I'm blameless." We just got to the buffet table, why bitch at us that the shrimp cocktail is gone? Edit: We still doing the cruise ship metaphors?
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Aug 3, 2015 19:39
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:And what is that? I'm a advocate for the New Orleans Streetcar line to be made wheelchair accessible, it's not the most glorious thing in the world but it's something I'm passionate about.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Aside from protesting the Vietnam War what movement in the US has had any traction with an 18-35 leader? Even Vietnam was only an issue because they themselves were worried about being drafted. Did the Vietnam protests have a leader? I could name a couple of local movements but I think you're looking for nation-wide movements with young leaders, right?
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I can't possibly understand why people aren't confronting modern militarized riot cops. What's the big deal with a felony charge of assaulting an officer or resisting arrest (bog standard charge for being arrested during a protest)? It's not like these guys would shoot rubber bullets or CS gas at your head.
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Fried Chicken posted:hey, want to marvel at the excesses of capitalism as the "elites" give you more reason to hate them and burn the system to the ground? that party sucked btw
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Aug 3, 2015 19:41
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They're all lazy slacktivists. Unlike me, I just have plans that night. I'll totally make it to the next one. >binges Netflix
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Radbot posted:I'm actually more interested in why some "Stanford grad" has the kind of pull to get this stuff together. Is that really all you have on your resume? Fair point, as much as San Diego is dumb-as-hell, downtown is passable and it's definitely nowhere near as awful as Orange County. An earthquake could suction orange county into the ocean and other than having to cut inland to get from LA to SD, I wouldn't care in the least.
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Hollismason posted:I'm a advocate for the New Orleans Streetcar line to be made wheelchair accessible, it's not the most glorious thing in the world but it's something I'm passionate about. You poor bastard. Getting any movement on that Streetcar is a herculean task.
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Brannock posted:Did the Vietnam protests have a leader? I could name a couple of local movements but I think you're looking for nation-wide movements with young leaders, right? No you're right. Suppose I'm just trying to find a youth movement that had any traction in the US. Any movement that got anything done seemed to be done by people that largely were experienced enough to know what they were doing. Then there is the Vietnam War although it was unpopular and fell out of favor for several reasons, student protests were just an added bonus. Radbot posted:I can't possibly understand why people aren't confronting modern militarized riot cops. What's the big deal with a felony charge of assaulting an officer or resisting arrest (bog standard charge for being arrested during a protest)? It's not like these guys would shoot rubber bullets or CS gas at your head. That's always been a thing. Just ask WW1 veterans.
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Brannock posted:Business Insider targets the same audience that would attend this type of party/get-together so I'm not all that surprised that they're covering this. It's a very fluffy photo-article. I don't know if it's so much a matter of not succeeding at Tinder as it is them not wanting to filter through the thousands of poor people, which is understandable if you've read the studies on how education and class makes it much more (or less) likely for people to get along with each other. I'm sorry, but you seem to be contradicting yourself there. Yes, education and class make it more or less likely for people to get along with each other. So, preppies--being a pretty small percentage of the population--are going to have a harder time relating to and being successful with the demographic spread of Tindr, who they don't resemble. It's not easy for a preppy to go into Bushwick and pick a girl up, nor up into Harlem, etc. Class, socially, is a series of divisions and not a hierarchy where anyone would be glad to date a preppy. quote:It makes perfect business sense, if you want to make money, make your target audience the people who have money and are willing to part with it. Nah, you can make perfectly good businesses by targeting people who don't have much money too, because there's a lot of them. But this is a perfectly viable business model, just like BBW Personals or J-date or any other targeted dating thing.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:You poor bastard. Getting any movement on that Streetcar is a herculean task. We've made progress lately getting some politicians on our side , I mean they at least said their getting a engineering firm to go out and survey, if that actually happened.
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And to be completely fair to the Millennials, i think you have to separate them into older and younger; because we older Millennials basically came of age in the worst economic crisis since the Depression and essentially lost a decade of our lives to it. I think its easier, in that context, to understand why in some respect we're almost a "silent" generation. We basically had our youthful vigor sapped out of us. The younger Millennials are coming into their own in much better economic times and I think, are far more engaged in "movement" politics. It's unfortunate that they're a generation of entitled brats who had helicopter parents, but you take what you can get.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Suppose I'm just trying to find a youth movement that had any traction in the US. Have you heard of a little something called Kony 2012
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:As an aside on the "south" being more integrated, its a lot easier to be "integrated" when you only have one or two high schools per "district" or county. Like if you look at WV's schools, for example, we'd score incredibly high on integration because most of the counties have only maybe one or two high schools for the whole danged county. I'd like to see that data as rural northern vs urban northern and rural southern vs urban southern. The other confounding factor there is that rural people are overwhelmingly white, especially in northern/non-southern states.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Have you heard of a little something called Kony 2012 Nah I slept through that one. Didn't find out what it actually was till a year later. Also this. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:And to be completely fair to the Millennials, i think you have to separate them into older and younger; because we older Millennials basically came of age in the worst economic crisis since the Depression and essentially lost a decade of our lives to it. I think its easier, in that context, to understand why in some respect we're almost a "silent" generation. We basically had our youthful vigor sapped out of us. The younger Millennials are coming into their own in much better economic times and I think, are far more engaged in "movement" politics. It's unfortunate that they're a generation of entitled brats who had helicopter parents, but you take what you can get.
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computer parts posted:The other confounding factor there is that rural people are overwhelmingly white, especially in northern/non-southern states. rural areas are white period. even in the south, the minority populations are still, overwhelmingly in rural areas.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:And to be completely fair to the Millennials, i think you have to separate them into older and younger; because we older Millennials basically came of age in the worst economic crisis since the Depression and essentially lost a decade of our lives to it. I think its easier, in that context, to understand why in some respect we're almost a "silent" generation. We basically had our youthful vigor sapped out of us. The younger Millennials are coming into their own in much better economic times and I think, are far more engaged in "movement" politics. It's unfortunate that they're a generation of entitled brats who had helicopter parents, but you take what you can get. For loving real. How can you even compare Millennial activism to Boomer activism, I mean you could choose to stop being a hippy and get a unionized autoworking job paying you the 2015 equivalent of like $30/hr by walking in and not telling the interviewer to go gently caress themselves. Also, Millennials are much less white - they just never had that opportunity in the first place in most cases. Being countercultural is a bit different when you're essentially a spoiled child living in an insanely prosperous middle class, versus when it means staring into a permanent economic abyss.
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I think the integration of technology in social movement's has been amazing for getting your message out to supporters as well as for logistical and coordination , however I also can point to like 4 "movements" in the past 3 years that have just burned out and gotten no further traction. If you want a great example compare the donations gained by the ice bucket challenge to awareness now about the issue. Another great one is Kony, does anyone even remember what that was about? Raising awareness is a great tactic, but it's not a fundamental strategy for causing social change unless the strategy is actually raise money. I'd rather have 500 people at a rally than 50,000 likes on Facebook. It' the whole Bernie Sander's thing as well as the vacuum effect. *Oh man Bernie Sanders is so great! He's totally going to win all my FB post in my feed are about him* *Only has socialist as friends on FB* Hollismason fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Have you heard of a little something called Kony 2012 That movement had the best capstone to it's stupid existence. 
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Hollismason posted:I think the integration of technology in social movement's has been amazing for getting your message out to supporters as well as for logistical and coordination , however I also can point to like 4 "movements" in the past 3 years that have just burned out and gotten no further traction. If you want a great example compare the donations gained by the ice bucket challenge to awareness now about the issue. It's breadth vs depth, more so I think. It's really easy to make something go viral, it's a lot harder to actually build and organize something that's going to last. Hollismason posted:I'd rather have 500 people at a rally than 50,000 likes on Facebook. It's the echo chamber of fractured media.
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Hollismason posted:I think the integration of technology in social movement's has been amazing for getting your message out to supporters as well as for logistical and coordination , however I also can point to like 4 "movements" in the past 3 years that have just burned out and gotten no further traction. If you want a great example compare the donations gained by the ice bucket challenge to awareness now about the issue. Those movements were done over social media which for better or worse are dominated by a younger generation who, just a reminder, don't have money. Likes are cheap, which is good because most of them work part-time.
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Crain posted:That movement had the best capstone to it's stupid existence. So it was about some documentarian who saw "lords resistance army", took the name at face value and showered the guy with praise despite basically being a child-soldier raising warlord, right?
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Gravel Gravy posted:So it was about some documentarian who saw "lords resistance army", took the name at face value and showered the guy with praise despite basically being a child-soldier raising warlord, right? No, that's what Rush Limbaugh did. The documentarian had some kind of public rampage/meltdown shortly after the movie was released.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:that party sucked btw Still would like to see the end to Southland tales take place at that party. Just with a flamethrower replacing the missile launcher, and with all the quantum physics second savior time traveling bullshit thrown out. 
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