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Can't believe I'm joint 1st in the guessing game leaderboard. I've only watched season 8 once, when it aired, so my scores were based on a half assed memory. Actually I don't recall most of what I guessed. For KTM I remember thinking that Occ would take a strongish view on it, but couldn't decide whether he would hate it or whether he would find it so stupid he kind of loved it (I, for one, burst out laughing when 'the moon is an egg' was revealed). So I vacillated between literally every grade. Looking back now I think I probably went for a D on the basis that he was much more likely to hate it than like it, but was slightly hedging with a D. I'm horrified that this train of logic has apparently succeeded. I've decided I much prefer not knowing what grades I've given episodes so each episode review from Toxx is followed by blind panic. The tension is great.
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computer parts posted:It's a recurring theme, not even exclusive to Doctor Who. Of the stable of writers in Doctor Who some of them have certain patterns they rely on. Even themes they like to trot out every now and again One of Moffat's is this. I'm not sure why you're taking such an issue with me pointing this out, but I'll play ball and reword it The only complaint I have with this episode is that it uses the "Monster isn't actually evil" twist again, when we already did that earlier this season. That better?
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Lots of other (Who) writers who aren't Moffat use it, and Moffat doesn't use it particularly frequently either. It's a really weird thing to pick on.
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Burkion posted:Of the stable of writers in Doctor Who some of them have certain patterns they rely on. Why should the monster be evil in at least 6 out of 8 episodes?
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2house2fly posted:Why should the monster be evil in at least 6 out of 8 episodes? Why should my minor complaint draw this much attention? And mostly because of the kind of show Who is, and the fact that it's the same kind of twist again. If the monster was clearly not evil the entire time, that's one thing. But the specific formula used here is the same as the bank heist episode- monster appears threatening and evil, turns out it had no other choice in the matter. Seems odd to repeat it.
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The monster in this episode is also a malfunctioning advanced soldier, which was used in episode 6.
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2house2fly posted:The monster in this episode is also a malfunctioning advanced soldier, which was used in episode 6. Soldiers are a theme this season.
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Aug 3, 2015 02:48
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There is a full version of the Don't Stop Me Now cover by Foxes, but it contains snippets from future episodes and is thus too spoilery.
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2house2fly posted:The monster in this episode is also a malfunctioning advanced soldier, which was used in episode 6. That is, as noted below your post, part of the theme of the season. I would go further into that but we both know why I cannot. And how it would apply to my minor, I stress again minor, complaint. Or am I just not allowed to voice complaints about a pretty drat good episode? Because there's a clam that's always ready to be pointed out in a much better story of this franchise I could go sit on
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Hey I was just sayin. Anyway the soldiers are just an expression of the real main theme of this series which is the corrupting influence of power; both the Foretold and the gross brain sucking monster are being controlled by people with power over them so it's thematically relevant that neither of them is evil.
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Clara dressed as a flapper is a ridiculously good look for Jenna Coleman 
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howe_sam posted:Clara dressed as a flapper is a ridiculously good look for Jenna Coleman I was going to post something about Moffat's common themes but instead I am just going to agree with the most correct thing that has been said in this thread ever.
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howe_sam posted:Clara dressed as <x> is a ridiculously good look for Jenna Coleman Indeed.
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Danny's expression seems quite fitting as a response for this. And, in fact, for almost everything.
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Burkion posted:It is very likely all of the combinations of sun and booze! Last page but I see those loving 8 A's you dork.
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So did you just spoil yourself on the rest of the season or did Oxx pull this from AVC for you?
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Episode titles counting as spoilers was always a ridiculous rule anyway so who cares
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Escobarbarian posted:Episode titles counting as spoilers was always a ridiculous rule anyway so who cares Occ might have seen the review scores, and realised that all upcoming episodes are utterly flawless straight A's. 
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Escobarbarian posted:Episode titles counting as spoilers was always a ridiculous rule anyway so who cares It is, but he usually cares, so 
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Plus the episodes all have an accompanying image, and those do have spoilers in them.
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Autonomous Monster posted:It is, but he usually cares, so I think the rule here has always been zero tolerance because of how easy it is for people to suddenly start going on about things, not because he specifically didn't want to know anything at all. There are spoilers in the images on the site though yeah
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Enourmo posted:Last page but I see those loving 8 A's you dork. What I did I did without choice, in the name of peace and sanity.
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Burkion posted:What I did I did without choice, in the name of peace and sanity. But not in the name of the Toxxtor.
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I love that they took the ridiculous idea of a space train that Eleven mentioned at the very end of "The Big Bang" and made it real and set an entire episode out of it. Edit: I like Occ's summary of KtM, it kind of reminded me more of Marvel's Civil War: a story that set off to present two sides, but eventually the opinions the author (and a majority of the readership) became the only valid one. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Craptacular! posted:I love that they took the ridiculous idea of a space train that Eleven mentioned at the very end of "The Big Bang" and made it real and set an entire episode out of it. The wonderful thing about Civil War was that, due to how many different writers were onboard for all of the tie ins and crap, most of the story presents Captain America in the right and Tony as worse than Hitler. And then the main writer comes in and does a sharp nose dive in the opposite direction at the last moment.
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Occ correctly pointed out that the real problem with KTM was entirely story related. The interesting thing, I think, is that most people aren't very well versed in story structure, and they're unsure of what exactly is going wrong, but they know something isn't working. So they latch on to what they are familiar with - science. Of course, if the story was well constructed, no one would give a poo poo about wonky science.
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ashpanash posted:Of course, if the story was well constructed, no one would give a poo poo about wonky science. The obvious comparison is the Beast Below, which is essentially what Kill The Moon wishes it could be. It has the Big Moral Choice where one of the two options is secretly the perfect golden option, the companion reverses the consensus decision that every human has approved and unilaterally selects the correct option at the last moment, and it even has significant science errors (the ship shouldn't need engines constantly providing momentum to fly through space, once it gets up to speed there's no space-friction to slow it down). But nobody complains about that science error, because
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Craptacular! posted:I love that they took the ridiculous idea of a space train that Eleven mentioned at the very end of "The Big Bang" and made it real and set an entire episode out of it. I also love that this indicates that offscreen mere moments after the Doctor convinced Amy and Rory to ditch their reception and go on an adventure with him..... he sets the coordinates for somewhere else entirely and probably scoffed to them,"Oh come on Ponds, that was clearly a trap!"
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I was really hoping, as logistically impossible and absurd as it would have been, that the other scientists would turn out to be other incarnations of the Doctor. I'm not really complaining that my impossible notion didn't happen, but a man can dream.
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Aug 3, 2015 23:13
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I grinned like a damned idiot when I heard "Are you my mummy?" again.
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Bring back Perkins, imo
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Perkins is great, plus I like how on a whole train full of intellectuals the Doctor makes friends with a grease monkey.
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Burkion posted:The wonderful thing about Civil War was that, due to how many different writers were onboard for all of the tie ins and crap, most of the story presents Captain America in the right and Tony as worse than Hitler. Truly? I knew a lot of people who say it the opposite: that the story started with both sides looking legitimate and Mark Millar got on board and brought in his agenda with obvious parallels to federal profiling and national security overreaching, and served as red meat for the "Bush = Hitler" crowd.
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I remember Stark coming off as more villainous in the Spider-Man stories than the main title. But yeah the end of Civil War isn't "Tony was right" it's "Cap realises the infighting is doing more harm than good".
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All I know about Civil War is that basically everyone not directly working on it during and after the whole thing just hated it, so much so that a good couple years of Iron Man stories were devoted to damage control. It's probably not a good idea for them to be making a movie out of that, it's one of the most controversial comic stories of recent years, and not in a good way. You'd struggle to find a worse story to use as a comic book movie basis, given Sony can't keep Spider-Man moving long enough for One More Day to be doable.
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It's going to be a very loose adaptation. The Age of Ultron movie had nothing to do with the Age of Ultron comic, other than the fact that Ultron was in it.
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Civil War is definitely one of Millar's least lovely comics.
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Ultimates was p good
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